Palestinian Holocaust Continues….

[islamirama]

Statement released by

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The Permanent Committee for Islaamic Research and Verdicts : on the Palestinian crisis

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The Permanent Committee for Islaamic Research and Verdicts in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, has followed – with all sorrow and pain- what has occurred, and is still going on against our Muslim brethren in Palestine – and specifically in Gaza. That which is [actions] of oppression, and killing of children, and women and old people! And [it is] transgression on that which is sacred [innocent], and the destruction of infrastructure and institutions, and the terrorizing of innocent people. And there is no doubt that this is a crime and oppression on the rights of the Palestinian nation.

And at this sorrowful event; it is an obligation on the Muslims to be with their Palestinian brethren, and to help and aid them, and to make an effort to lift the oppression against them – through any means which is of their reach – so as to actualize the Islamic bond, and the ties of 'Eeman.

Allaah The Exalted said: "The believers are indeed brothers [in Islâmic religion]."(Al-Hujuraat: 10)

And He The Most Mighty, The Most Majestic said: "The believers, men and women, are Auliyâ' (helpers, supporters, friends, protectors) of one another…"(At-Tawba : 71)

And The Prophet (sallahAllaahu alayhi wasallam) said: "The believer to another believer is like the structure [like a wall] ; each part strengthens the other,' and then he co-enjoined his fingers."(Agreed upon)

And he (may Allaah's blessings and good mention be upon him) also said: "The example of the believers in their relationship, and their love, and their having mercy upon each other ; is like the example of one body part to the rest of the body; if one part is affected then the whole body complains of fever and pain."(Agreed upon)

And he (may Allaah's blessings and good mention be upon him) also said: "The Muslim is the brother of another Muslim; he does not oppress him, nor does he deceive him, nor does he give him up to the enemy, nor does he look down on him."(Narrated by Muslim)

And help comprises of many things –according to the ability, and depending on the situations – whether it is intellectually or physical [things], or whether it is from the general Muslims through wealth, and food, and medicine, and clothing, and other things. Or whether it is from the Islamic Arab nations through making it easy and possible that the aid reaches them, and by taking a sincere position in regards to their [the Palestinian Muslims] matter, and by supporting their case in the gatherings, and seminars, and the international conferences: And all of these are from the ways of co-operation upon good and piety – which is something that is ordered- in the statement of The Exalted :

"Help you one another in virtue, righteousness and piety…"(Al-Maaida : 2)

And also from those ways is: to direct sincere advice to them [the Muslims in Palestine], and to direct them to that which is of good and of benefit to them. And from the greatest of those is to make du'aa for them -at all times – so that their tribulation is lifted, and their affliction is raised, and that their situation is rectified, and that their statements and actions become good.

Upon this, we also advise our Muslim brethren in Palestine to have fear of Allaah – The Exalted- and to return to Him, just as we advise them to be united; upon the truth, and to leave off divisions and splitting up, and not to give a chance to the enemy – who has taken advantage of it – and will continue to use it in enmity and oppression.

And we also encourage and emphasize our brethren to take the causes which will lead to lifting the oppression directed at their land – while having complete sincerity to Allaah The Exalted – in [those and all other] actions, and to seek His pleasure, and to seek His assistance – through righteous actions, and prayers, and consulting the scholars and people of wisdom; in all their matters – indeed that is a way of being facilitated [to that which is good] and establishment.

Just as we call on to the intellectuals in the world and the international meetings; to have an open look at this catastrophe – with a look of insight, intellect, and equality – so that the Palestinian community can be given its rights. And so that the oppression be lifted from it: such that they live in a honourable life. And at the same time we thank all -the nations and individuals- who have initiated in aiding and helping them.

We ask Allaah by His Beautiful Names and His Lofty Attributes; that He lifts the despair on this Ummah, and that He strengthens its religion, and to raise its statement, and to aid His allies, and to disgrace His enemies -and to return back their plots against themselves- and to save the Muslims from their evil, Indeed He is the Patron, and the One who is Most Able of all that. And may His blessings and good mention be upon our Prophet Muhammad, and also his family and his companions and those who follow them upon good; upto the Last Day.

His eminence; the grand mufti of Saudi Arabia,​

President of the Council of Senior Scholars,​

Shaykh 'Abdul-'Azeez Ibn 'Abdullaah Aal ash-Shaykh.​

Member of Permanent Committee for Islaamic Research and Verdicts ​

Translation by Abu Waheeda As-Salafi ​

5th Muharram 1429.​

Source : The Madeenah Journal​

http://www.al-madina.com/node/89303
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[Tony]

Where has he been hiding for the past 60 years?^o)

idiot

 

[Anette]

I'm glad to hear that Qingu, I was also pleased to see worldwide protests against this terrorist regime and it's terrorizing of the Gazans. I believe most people (Muslim or non-Muslim) are good in nature but sadly ignorant of the facts or misinformed and mislead on purpose by their gov'ts and media for their hidden agenda purposes.

We are many who protests in every way we can. The attack on Gaza happened when many people still celebrated Christmas with their family. This is not any coincidence. It has taken a long time to gather the political opposition. In Sweden our opposition parties now urges FN to step in to force Israel to stop the killing.

Since the attack I have wrote many contributions to discussions in my blogg since my Swedish is so much better then my English. Articles only read by some hundreds, but some of the readers are politicians. If everyone who not agrees protests in any way they possible can, maybe the wind eventually will change. The devastating killing in Gaza has to stop right now, but you have to do what you as a person can do right now. And it hurts when you can not do anything for the people in Gaza, right now at this minute. But it also hurt when the gulf between Islamic and western countries become more profound due to what happens. This is not a solution to move away from each other, we have to unify to make this madness stop.

Peace

 

[aadil77]

Islamarama, who would you suggest giving charity to?

Hamas?

Because they don't really seem to have their people's best interest in mind to me. I condemn Israel's aggression, but I absolutely fail to see how Hamas is helping the situation by lobbing rockets at Israel. I fail to see how Hamas expects or wants anything other than total warfare through their actions.

Israel occupied Palestinian territory and won several wars. Muslims have done the same thing throughout all their history. Imagine if the people Muslims conquered acted as aggressively as Hamas does to the Israelis. Imagine if the Christians and Jews in Al-Andalus threw stones at their Muslim conquerers and sent assassins into Muslim neighborhoods.

I don't care who started it or which side is worse. As far as I'm concerned, anyone on either side who seeks to use violence is culpable, and deserves condemnation from Muslims and Westerners alike.

So what somehow now all our muslim charities support hamas?

According kuffars we can't even donate now!

 

[KAding]

Where has he been hiding for the past 60 years?

idiot

With all due respect Tony, but what kind of response is that? It seems a completely legitimate point made by Whatsthepoint. It didn't help the Palestinians in 1948, 1956, 1967, 1973 or 1980, which seems to suggest He didn't intervene, at least not those times. Why would He intervene now? Can you truely advocate starting a war against a nuclear armed country which has superior military power on the basis that "Allah is on your side"? Can you truly risk massive slaughter of Muslims with that argument?

 

[Argamemnon]

Muslims must rid their societies of all sorts of corruption, ignorance, degeneration, perversion and violence. It is not possible to fool Allah (swt); doing evil and un-Islamic deeds and expecting victory - it doesn't work that way.

 

[Ummu Sufyaan]

With all due respect Tony, but what kind of response is that? It seems a completely legitimate point made by Whatsthepoint. It didn't help the Palestinians in 1948, 1956, 1967, 1973 or 1980, which seems to suggest He didn't intervene, at least not those times. Why would He intervene now? Can you truely advocate starting a war against a nuclear armed country which has superior military power on the basis that "Allah is on your side"? Can you truly risk massive slaughter of Muslims with that argument?

look, with all due respect, i understand that for an atheist its hard to believe that god will help. as Muslims, we believe He will, its just a matter of time. i hope you realize that we do have patience.



oin topic, i heard on Press TV last night that only "elders" were allowed to attend Jumuah prayer (friday prayer) at al-Aqsa mosque...(apparently the "youngens" are too intimidating to the Israelis )

 

[Trumble]

look, with all due respect, i understand that for an atheist its hard to believe that god will help. as Muslims, we believe He will, its just a matter of time. i hope you realize that we do have patience.

God hasn't shown much sign of being the Palestinian 'side' for last sixty years.

The worry this atheist has is that there have been too many wars in which both sides were convinced "God is on our side". Not to mention that there have been many conflicts in which many more muslims (not to mention everybody else) have died pointlessly than in this one, with no sign of any dvine intervention. Where was God while hundreds of thousands died in Darfur? Indeed, please name one war, throughout history (as opposed to myth) in which there has been any sign of divine intervention? The best way is to end violence is stop fighting, not rely on something so totally implausible.

So how do we do that? All we can do is remember that governments do not always represent peoples. Significant, and real diplomatic and economic pressure needs to be put on Israel.. the levers are there to be pulled, it's just up to us to persuade our governments to do so. And, frankly, that would be so much easier if the idiots of Hamas stopped providing people with excuses with their totally pointless rocket attacks.

 

[Ummu Sufyaan]

God hasn't shown much sign of being the Palestinian 'side' for last sixty years.

reread my post, then come back and throw crappy arguments back at me
as i said:

i hope you realize that we do have patience.

The worry this atheist has is that there have been too many wars in which both sides were convinced "God was on their side". Not to mention that there have been many conflicts in which many more muslims (not to mention everybody else) have died pointlessly than in this one, with no sign of any dvine intervention.

why should there be divine intervention when we don't even help ourselves. by helping ourselves i mean going back to the quran and sunnah <---that was aimed at Muslims more than anyone...
and along the lines of what was previously mentioned...

Muslims must rid their societies of all sorts of corruption, ignorance, degeneration, perversion and violence. It is not possible to fool Allah (swt); doing evil and un-Islamic deeds and expecting victory - it doesn't work that way.

Where was God while hundreds of thousands died in Darfur? Indeed, please name one war, throughout history (as opposed to myth)
in which there has been any sign of divine intervention? The best way is to end violence is stop fighting, not rely on something so totally implausible.

define myth. is it the quran, or is it the history books



and lastly, this is about the Palestinian holocaust and our efforts to propagate and expose the terrorist, i,e Israel...if you have nothing to say on topic, then vacate the flippin' thread, what's there to it!!!

 

[Argamemnon]

i hope you realize that we do have patience.

Actually, Muslim countries have been losing wars for hundreds of years, "patience" is not the solution. We must fix our societies and use our brain instead of bragging and hoping that God will do everything for us. That's not an Islamic attitude..

 

[Ummu Sufyaan]

perhaps you should also reread my post

and along the lines of what was previously mentioned...

Muslims must rid their societies of all sorts of corruption, ignorance, degeneration, perversion and violence. It is not possible to fool Allah (swt); doing evil and un-Islamic deeds and expecting victory - it doesn't work that way.

where on earth did i mention "sitting back and relaxing?"

 

[Argamemnon]

where on earth did i mention "sitting back and relaxing?"

you didn't say it, but it seemed to imply that... and don't worry it's not about you, it's a disease of ours.

 

[KAding]

look, with all due respect, i understand that for an atheist its hard to believe that god will help. as Muslims, we believe He will, its just a matter of time.

I understand that is your belief. But read the context in which TKTony made that remark, it was in response to a post by malayloveislam who advocated immediate military action.

i hope you realize that we do have patience.

I'm not so sure. There are many that say "we need to act now". In fact, the whole approach of Hamas seems to be one of "acting is more important than achieving results". IMHO it seems to be driven by emotions, not a rational analysis of the circumstances on the ground.

 

[Trumble]

and lastly, this is about the Palestinian holocaust and our efforts to propagate and expose the terrorist, i,e Israel...if you have nothing to say on topic, then vacate the flippin' thread, what's there to it!!!

Please re-read my post! Or perhaps you would prefer I joined those clamouring for the armed forces of 'Islam' to intervene militarily (and multiply the death toll by a hundred thousand or so)?!

define myth

A traditional story accepted as history by some.

 

[nocturnal]

Please re-read my post! Or perhaps you would prefer I joined those clamouring for the armed forces of 'Islam' to intervene militarily (and multiply the death toll by a hundred thousand or so)?!



A traditional story accepted as history by some.

Intervention in this case is the only way of mitigating the suffering of the Palestinians. Because at the end of this bombardment will only come another shaky ceasefire. I don't think Israel can realistically expect to totally wipe out Hamas and it's authority in Gaza. What they're probably seeking to do is emasculate them severely enough to the point where any ceaserfire terms are dictated by israel and in doing so, to weaken Hamas' position and its authority.

There is no need to project this particular onslaught in religious terms, because pretty much as every reasonable, open-minded person in the world can discern, this is a case of unrelenting aggression towards an entire nation dispossesed. It transcends religion, it's about the value of human life and to what extent, we collectively as the international community can sit by impassively as israel embarks on this ruinous campaign of bloodletting.

If NATO could intervene in Kosova, surely this is a much more stronger, and tenable case with evidence of israeli atrocities being played out right in front of the world's eyes. There is no case for not intervening.

 

[malayloveislam]

Where has he been hiding for the past 60 years?^o)

He is not hiding but He is watching us everyday, every time, every minute, and every second. We can't gain peace because we are not in UNITY! Our fate will remain the same if we keep quarreling and dealing with non-Muslims in addition the US and EU who are responsible for what had happened in Middle East particularly in Palestine. This is called as Trial and Tribulation. We Muslim should leave behind Racist baseless Nationalism, rather going back to Islam. Islam should be practiced in every aspect of life, not only at the mouth.

 

[Thinker]

Whilst I share the sentiments of sadness for the misery of daily life in Palestine I wonder why few here and beyond seem to stretch their minds beyond a knee jerk reaction. I wonder whether the misery of the Palestinian people would be diminished or increased if they were joined by a couple of thousand gun wielding young men from Iran or Indonesia?

I wonder how it got to this - WHY this happened, what Hamas want and what the Israelis want?

I believe Hamas are controlled by Iran and I wonder whether the Palestinian people are being used as pawns in a game being played out by Ahmadinejad and the lunatic fundamentalists?

How can anyone solve anything without knowing what the other side wants? The only answers I can find in searching for what Hamas and the Iranians want is the complete annihilation of Israel and the Jews. Is that what they want; is that the starting point for negotiation or am I missing something? (I am asking the question not making a statement)

 

[malayloveislam]

What military power? I don't mean to belittle Muslim countries, but they have no useful military power.

Palestinians lost the war against Israel. Every country that fought a war against Israel has lost. If you are suggesting Muslim countries declare all-out war on Israel or the United States, consider that both of these countries have nuclear weapons—the consequences of an all-out war could be total annihilation.

The only way Muslim countries can fight Western powers (or China and Russia) is through assymetrical warfare. This is what Hamas and Hezbollah already do. The reason they are able to do so is because they are not (officially) affiliated with state governments, against which Western powers could retaliate in force. Of course, these groups have done Palestinians no good either for their entire history.

Why do you think Muslims would prevail in a violent confrontation when they have lost every violent confrontation in Israel's modern history?

What good did the US had done to Palestinians, Iraqis, and Afghanistan instead of mass-destruction. Before the US intervened in Muslim countries affairs there is no Terrorist threats from Muslim countries. But after the US had mingle in, everything became hay-wire. The US or Israel can have Nuclear weapons but Muslim countries are prohibited with what reason??? So that the US and Israel could survive and colonizing others. Muslim countries can't even defend themselves and being terrorized badly.

Those countries who had lost in war with Israel because other Muslim countries did not help them but rather watching afar and the US had been lending their hands to Israel, the US already had been sophistificated with weaponaries and they can act as they like without being disturbed by others after it has became a "Big Bully".

Also not to forget some of Muslim countries still had been seized under British and French colonization, thus they are still weak. Today what we can do is to ISOLATE the US and dealing only among ourselves, use Gold Dinar as Monetary Unit in Business not in Dollar nor Euro anymore. We don't have to listen to the US about Nuclear weapon, like what Iran had practiced. Who is the US to prevent us from doing anything that we think suitable for our security??? They never signed Kyoto Protocol so that they can kill and terrorizing others. But others should sign it to be killed by them, they have no right to call Muslim who are defending their land as terrorists. They are those actual terrorists because they had intruded others lands. Pakistan too had developed Nuclear weapon, I hope Pakistan do not waste it with India and China at the first hand.

 

[wth1257]

Whilst I share the sentiments of sadness for the misery of daily life in Palestine I wonder why few here and beyond seem to stretch their minds beyond a knee jerk reaction. I wonder whether the misery of the Palestinian people would be diminished or increased if they were joined by a couple of thousand gun wielding young men from Iran or Indonesia?

I wonder how it got to this - WHY this happened, what Hamas want and what the Israelis want?

I believe Hamas are controlled by Iran and I wonder whether the Palestinian people are being used as pawns in a game being played out by Ahmadinejad and the lunatic fundamentalists?

How can anyone solve anything without knowing what the other side wants? The only answers I can find in searching for what Hamas and the Iranians want is the complete annihilation of Israel and the Jews. Is that what they want; is that the starting point for negotiation or am I missing something? (I am asking the question not making a statement)

not quite.

http://www.thenation.com/blogs/dreyfuss/392216/obama_fiddles_while_gaza_burns?rel=sidebox

Yesterday Obama got an official US intelligence briefing on the crisis in Gaza, which may or may not have numbed his brain with data he didn't need. Obama didn't need an intelligence briefing to tell him anything he really needs to know: that, once again, the twin poles of Israeli and Palestinian extremism have flared up in a way that will only undermine, perhaps fatally, the chances of a negotiated accord during Obama's first term in office.

The only useful intelligence Obama might have gained from the briefing is that the Mossad knew, before Israel's massive attack on Gaza, that Hamas was only trying to make a show of force. That is, Hamas' not-too-bright leaders thought that they could get away with a few hundred rocket attacks into Israel and then renegotiate a better ceasefire deal. Like the less-than-brilliant strategists in Georgia, who thought that they could attack Russia with impunity and who instead got their heads handed to them last August, Hamas' own armchair fanatics thought they could get away with it. Oops. The Wall Street Journal reports today:


In recent weeks, Israeli intelligence officials have said they believed Hamas doesn't want a full-scale confrontation, but rather wants to make a show of force before seeking a renewed cease-fire on more favorable terms.

If that's true, and there's little reason to think it isn't, it was certainly within Israel's power to exercise restraint -- or perhaps to engage in a little tit-for-tat counterattacks -- while waiting for things to settle down. But, no. Hamas, for its part, should have known that it was firing its rockets directly into Israel's pre-election political mess, in which hardline extremists like Bibi Netanyahu are gaining the upper hand. And the power of those extremists, playing on Israeli public opinion and its fears, pushed the pathetic Olmert-Livni government over the brink. (It's particularly disgusting that Olmert, who in his various exit interviews and speeches has pretty much acknowledged that Israel needs a deal involving the removal of Jewish settlements and the partition of Jerusalem, would go along with the overkill in Gaza.)

 

[Keltoi]

The best scenario at this point would be Israel cancelling any ground attack into Gaza. If that takes place we will see hundreds more dead Palestinians and a deeper humanitarian crisis.