Paris opens door to author fleeing "Islamist threats"

[جوري]

Yes, they were. Bangladesh, Turkey, Pakistan, Indonesia and perhaps there's more.
The US is backwards in several areas.

I am glad the 'free' world is deemed backwards by your own admission

What I'm trying to know is why men are allowed to make their existence a living hell, and women apparently aren't. You may have answered this already and I didn't notice.

I don't know why do they? I suppose it is their own choosing..

 

[Whatsthepoint]

It has nothing to do with risks.. it has to do with putting one in harms way..
Why do men do it.. I don't know, some people are best suited for certain jobs..
Men aren't suited to some of the jobs of women (yes have already given example) and vice versa and again ultimately it has nothing at all to do with equality.. it has to do with what you are better suited for!
I don't know why do they? I suppose it is their own choosing..

Why do you think woman aren't suited to be heads of state?
What I'm asking is why women don't have that choice?

 

[جوري]

Why do you think woman aren't suited to be heads of state?
What I'm asking is why women don't have that choice?

Why don't men have the choice to give birth?

 

[Whatsthepoint]

Why don't men have the choice to give birth?

So what you're saying is that Allah knows best and you can't really justify it, as is the case with circumsion that you emntioned before?

 

[جوري]

So what you're saying is that Allah knows best and you can't really justify it?

I believe I already have?... it isn't a difficult decision.. I have a better job than Mr. President and were it not for his family's wealth, my job pays more..

Whether physical or psychological I have already covered it, and again have shown you examples of folks who have gone against divine law and paid for it dearly.. there you had a mother and a wife assassinated not a year ago .. what more do you really need?

Even in upholding perfect shari3a govt., you can't change the evil in people's hearts, it isn't a matter of justice and proper law.. as was evidenced by kaliphs who were assassinated even under an Islamic state ..
you argue some utopic town where people are happy with their leader and there is no threat even of humiliation under any rule whether governed by man or woman and then I'll argue against divine wisdom!

until then you are free to hold your opinion but know that it isn't weighty, especially as far as women are concerned.. Many Muslim women in the west have no reason whatsoever to be Muslim were it not for their own will that this is the religion of reason!


cheers

 

[Hamayun]

I too think it is unfair to women, it may have been fair and revolutionary to the women of the 6th century Arabia, but it is in many ways unfair to contemporary women.
Anyway, back on topic, its good the city accepted her.

Oh! Here we go with the whole "Muslim women are oppressed" stereotype ^o)

Are you a Muslim Woman? No? Then how would you know?

Go speak to Muslim women and see what 99% of them tell you... Sheesh!!!

 

[Whatsthepoint]

I believe I already have?... it isn't a difficult decision.. I have a better job than Mr. President and were it not for his family's wealth, my job pays more..

Whether physical or psychological I have already covered it, and again have shown you examples of folks who have gone against divine law and paid for it dearly.. there you had a mother and a wife assassinated not a year ago .. what more do you really need?

Even in upholding perfect shari3a govt., you can't change the evil in people's hearts, it isn't a matter of justice and proper law.. as was evidenced by kaliphs who were assassinated even under an Islamic state ..
you argue some utopic town where people are happy with their leader and there is no threat even of humiliation under any rule whether governed by man or woman and then I'll argue against divine wisdom!

until then you are free to hold your opinion but know that it isn't weighty, especially as far as women are concerned.. Many Muslim women in the west have no reason whatsoever to be Muslim were it not for their own will that this is the religion of reason!


cheers

I'm not arhuing any utopic town, where did you get this? I'm not denying being a head of state comes with certain risks. I'm asking why exactly men are allowed to take those risks and women aren't. You haven't answered this.

 

[جوري]

I'm not arhuing any utopic town, where did you get this? I'm not denying being a head of state comes with certain risks. I'm asking why exactly men are allowed to take those risks and women aren't. You haven't answered this.

I actually have if you have bothered read the very first long reply to your original Q..

cheers

 

[Hamayun]

I'm not arhuing any utopic town, where did you get this? I'm not denying being a head of state comes with certain risks. I'm asking why exactly men are allowed to take those risks and women aren't. You haven't answered this.

Would you agree that men are physically stronger? Men are designed with a more agile body? Women designed with a more delicate and complex body that is suited for giving birth and providing for the offspring..

I thought being an agnostic all you would have to do is look at the animal kingdom and see how most of them have their fixed roles...

Are female lions protectors/leaders of the pride??? Are female wolves leaders of the packs??? No? Then you have your answer...

 

[Whatsthepoint]

I actually have if you have bothered read the very first long reply to your original Q..

cheers

What Islam has established for woman is that which suits her nature, gives her full security and protects her against disgraceful circumstances and uncertain channels of life.
This?

 

[Whatsthepoint]

Would you agree that men are physically stronger? Men are designed with a more agile body? Women designed with a more delicate and complex body that is suited for giving birth and providing for the offspring..

I thought being an agnostic all you would have to do is look at the animal kingdom and see how most of them have their fixed roles...

Are female lions protectors/leaders of the pride??? Are female wolves leaders of the packs??? No? Then you have your answer...

What has physical power have to do with leadership capabilities?
Animals have gay sex too, that doesn't mean we shoud follow their example, eh?

 

[Hamayun]

What has physical power have to do with leadership capabilities?
Animals have gay sex too, that doesn't mean we shoud follow their example, eh?

Your question was regarding "taking risks" and dealing with dangerous situations. Make up your mind!!! Why do you always end up talking about homosexuals? Obsessed much?

Arguing with you is futile... you know what? Women are oppressed in Islam. Thanks for your concern... I am off to beat my wife with a stick for not drinking the water she washed my feet with.

Cheerio...

 

[Whatsthepoint]

Your question was regarding "taking risks" and dealing with dangerous situations. Make up your mind!!! Why do you always end up talking about homosexuals? Obsessed much?

Arguing with you is futile... you know what? Women are oppressed in Islam. Thanks for your concern... I am off to beat my wife with a stick for not drinking the water she washed my feet with.

Cheerio...

The point is that a female president is equally vulnerable to a sniper shot.
Well, it crossed my mind how one side argues homosexuality is natural and the religious side replies claiming we are not animals and yet the same side compares us to animals.
I don't say they were oppressed, I said other systems provide women with more rights, whether that is a good thing, I don't know, but it is a fact.

 

[Hamayun]

The point is that a female president is equally vulnerable to a sniper shot.
Well, it crossed my mind how one side argues homosexuality is natural and the religious side replies claiming we are not animals and yet the same side compares us to animals.
I don't say they were oppressed, I said other systems provide women with more rights, whether that is a good thing, I don't know, but it is a fact.

1. Snipers did not exist in the 7th century. A leader would have to fight man to man. The rule is a general rule. You can not expect the Quran to make different rules for different people/nations.

2. I said "being an agnostic you should look at the animal kingdom". It doesn't necessarily mean those are my personal views.

3. All you have to do is go out in London on a saturday night to see what the so called rights have done. No wonder we get attacked by kids with no fathers every other week... Its not about equality its about respect and knowing your role in society/family.

4. I am not done beating my wife yet so I may not reply soon.

Laters...

 

[Whatsthepoint]

1. Snipers did not exist in the 7th century. A leader would have to fight man to man. The rule is a general rule. You can not expect the Quran to make different rules for different people/nations.

I thought Islam was supposed to be for all times and places?
That's exactly my problem with Islam. General rules, no exceptions even if they could prove valuable.

 

[Hamayun]

I thought Islam was supposed to be for all times and places?
That's exactly my problem with Islam. General rules, no exceptions even if they could prove valuable.

King James decided to make exceptions... what started as a few exceptions has now ended up where? It starts as making a few exceptions then one thing leads to another and before you know it we have a completely new religion...

Better safe than sorry.

 

[Whatsthepoint]

King James decided to make exceptions... what started as a few exceptions has now ended up where? It starts as making a few exceptions then one thing leads to another and before you know it we have a completely new religion...

Better safe than sorry.

I understand.
I'm not that familiar with the history of the British isles, what exceptions did King James decide to make?

 

[Hamayun]

I understand.
I'm not that familiar with the history of the British isles, what exceptions did King James decide to make?

I was giving an example of how the King James "version" of the Bible has gone through different transformations. Once you allow one change it starts a chain of changes and before you know it everyone wants to change something because it doesn't suit them...

I am glad you said understand. I respect that. Cheers.

 

[Whatsthepoint]

I was giving an example of how the King James "version" of the Bible has gone through different transformations. Once you allow one change it starts a chain of changes and before you know it everyone wants to change something because it doesn't suit them...

I am glad you said understand. I respect that. Cheers.

Just for the record, don't mean to cause further off topic posts but if the Bible had ever been changed, it was changed long before King James decided to have a copy in English.
I'm glad you do.

 

[Hamayun]

Just for the record, don't mean to cause further off topic posts but if the Bible had ever been changed, it was changed long before King James decided to have a copy in English.
I'm glad you do.

Agreed. That was a bad example. But you get the point.

Peace.