Your Opinion on Israel

[Woodrow]

The Land was promised to the jews by God, but had conditions attached. The jews did not adhere to the conditions therefore as promised they were exhiled. This is why "REAL jews" are against the state of Israel.

This land is Palestinian land that was stolen by Zionist 60 years ago. The Zionist were looking at Argentina and some African countries first, until deciding to go for Palestine using the fact that is WAS promised to the jews.

By playing a semitic card the zionist got support from "so called Jews" and Christian groups.

Very true. In fact the Zionist movement has/had more support from Extremist, fundamentalist Christians than from Jews.

Zionism is not a Jewish movement, it is a political anti-religious movement. Zionism is not only the enemy of Islam, it is also the enemy of Christianity and Judaism.

It was hatred of Jews by prejudiced people that promoted the formation of Israel, not concepts of love or fair play. If the western world had loved the Jews, they would have taken them into their lands as guests, not force them into a land where they were not welcome.

Israel has to be the worse experiment ever conducted and it is time to see it failed and if left to continue will only become a threat to all of mankind.

 

[Keltoi]

whos gonna have al aqsa?

There will have to be some concession on the issue of Jerusalem. Israel has stated no such concession on Jerusalem will be made, but outside pressure could change their minds. Jerusalem might be split in half, but that is a big might.

 

[Keltoi]

Very true. In fact the Zionist movement has/had more support from Extremist, fundamentalist Christians than from Jews.

Zionism is not a Jewish movement, it is a political anti-religious movement. Zionism is not only the enemy of Islam, it is also the enemy of Christianity and Judaism.

It was hatred of Jews by prejudiced people that promoted the formation of Israel, not concepts of love or fair play. If the western world had loved the Jews, they would have taken them into their lands as guests, not force them into a land where they were not welcome.

Israel has to be the worse experiment ever conducted and it is time to see it failed and if left to continue will only become a threat to all of mankind.

That isn't exactly true, although there is some truth in it. A return to Israel was a popular idea among many Jews, and Zionism was popular among many Jews, not just secular ones. Harry Truman was pressured to support the formation of Israel by a strong Jewish lobby, in large part due to the oppression they suffered at the hands of Germans, but also because a return to Israel was quite popular by Jews of all stripes.

 

[root]

The Land was promised to the jews by God, but had conditions attached. The jews did not adhere to the conditions therefore as promised they were exhiled. This is why "REAL jews" are against the state of Israel..

I am not talking about a religous promise. I am talking about the promise that the Old British Empire made to the Jews in return for the help they gave the Old British Empire & the Arabs.

Remember, Turkey occupied & controlled the land. That sham that was called the Arab revolt (Where most Arab countries formed) was nothing more than a fragment of story telling made up by the British and Arabs to deny France the right to Jordan.

This land is Palestinian land that was stolen by Zionist 60 years ago. The Zionist were looking at Argentina and some African countries first, until deciding to go for Palestine using the fact that is WAS promised to the jews.

It was not under the control of the Arabs, it never was a Palestinian state and it never has been. You cannot steal something that does not exist.

By playing a semitic card the zionist got support from "so called Jews" and Christian groups.

No, the Arabs sat around doing nothing when the British moved by force to remove the Jews allowing the Old British Empire to do the Arab dirty work, only the Old British Empire failed to remove the jews, and failed in creating the Pan-Arab super state that they wanted to create

This is the kind of nonsense Arabs seem to favour, since they don't even agree on a set version:

1. Arabs were the original inhabitants and rulers.The Canaanites were Arab, the philistines were Arabs the Amorites were Arabs. The Jews ruled only briefly for some 8 years in the days of David & Solomon

OR

2. Jews are not the descendents of the ancient jews.

"The principle of nationality requires their (The Turks) dis-possesion. Nor is their any indigenous civilisation in Palestine that can take the place of the Turkish except the Jews who...... have given everything it has ever had of value to the worl."

Qoute by Herbert Sidebotham in England & Palestine. London, 1918 p174
http://www.unige.ch/cyberdocuments/theses2007/QafishehM/these.pdf

Go look for yourself

 

[Thinker]

Results of a DNA study by geneticist Ariella Oppenheim in 2000 matched historical accounts that Arab Israelis and Palestinian Muslim Arabs are descended from Christians and Jews who lived in the southern Levant, a region that includes Israel, Sinai and part of Jordan.

...more than 70% of Jewish men and half of the Arab men whose DNA was studied inherited their Y chromosomes from the same paternal ancestors who lived in the region within the last few thousand years. . . . . . they found that the Y chromosome in Middle Eastern Arabs was almost indistinguishable from that of Jews.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_people#Ancestral_origins

 

[Civilsed]

I am not talking about a religous promise. I am talking about the promise that the Old British Empire made to the Jews in return for the help they gave the Old British Empire & the Arabs.

Palestine was not The British empire's to give. Its like The U.S giving UK to France? nonsence.

The point Forgotten is that the Zionist's killed many British troops in Palestine through yes suidice bombings. The British empire then withdrew realising the mess created.

Your point even adds to the aguement that Israel has no rights to Palestine.

 

[Fishman]

Results of a DNA study by geneticist Ariella Oppenheim in 2000 matched historical accounts that Arab Israelis and Palestinian Muslim Arabs are descended from Christians and Jews who lived in the southern Levant, a region that includes Israel, Sinai and part of Jordan.

...more than 70% of Jewish men and half of the Arab men whose DNA was studied inherited their Y chromosomes from the same paternal ancestors who lived in the region within the last few thousand years. . . . . . they found that the Y chromosome in Middle Eastern Arabs was almost indistinguishable from that of Jews.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_people#Ancestral_origins

Lots of supposed 'Arabs' aren't really Arabs at all, their cultures were just Arabised.

 

[Civilsed]

Results of a DNA study by geneticist Ariella Oppenheim in 2000 matched historical accounts that Arab Israelis and Palestinian Muslim Arabs are descended from Christians and Jews who lived in the southern Levant, a region that includes Israel, Sinai and part of Jordan.

...more than 70% of Jewish men and half of the Arab men whose DNA was studied inherited their Y chromosomes from the same paternal ancestors who lived in the region within the last few thousand years. . . . . . they found that the Y chromosome in Middle Eastern Arabs was almost indistinguishable from that of Jews.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_people#Ancestral_origins

The Jews are Arabs, The only difference is Religion/Culture. They use the Anti semitism card towards arabs which is a joke as arabs in the region are all Semites. So perhaps the arabs can start using the anti semitic card haha

 

[IslamicRevival]

Israel have reportedly agreed a truce.

Interesting the zionist have also withdrawn their tanks from Southern Gaza!

VICTORY TO HAMAS! VICTORY TO PALESTINE! Allah Hu Akbar!

These murderers know they are LOSING hence the "Truce Agreement" And "Withdrwal Of Tanks"

Hamas has destroyed Israel with home made rockets and by the help of Allah swt!

THIS IS THE POWER OF ALLAH SWT!

InshAllah Hezbollah Will Hammer The Final Fail In The Coffin And Finish Them Off!!

ALLAH IS THE GREATEST!! ALLAH IS THE GREATEST!! ALLAH HU AKBAR!!

 

[Woodrow]

Results of a DNA study by geneticist Ariella Oppenheim in 2000 matched historical accounts that Arab Israelis and Palestinian Muslim Arabs are descended from Christians and Jews who lived in the southern Levant, a region that includes Israel, Sinai and part of Jordan.

...more than 70% of Jewish men and half of the Arab men whose DNA was studied inherited their Y chromosomes from the same paternal ancestors who lived in the region within the last few thousand years. . . . . . they found that the Y chromosome in Middle Eastern Arabs was almost indistinguishable from that of Jews.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_people#Ancestral_origins

No need to leave out and trim you quote. Let us look at more from your source:

Mixed ancestry

Palestinians, like most other Arabic-speakers today commonly called Arabs, are said to combine ancestries from those who have come to settle their respective regions throughout history and the pre-existing ancient inhabitants; a matter on which genetic evidence described below has begun to shed some light.[63]

American historian Bernard Lewis writes:

"Clearly, in Palestine as elsewhere in the Middle East, the modern inhabitants include among their ancestors those who lived in the country in antiquity. Equally obviously, the demographic mix was greatly modified over the centuries by migration, deportation, immigration, and settlement. This was particularly true in Palestine..."[64]

Ali Qleibo, a Palestinian anthropologist, explains:

"Throughout history a great diversity of peoples has moved into the region and made Palestine their homeland: Jebusites, Canaanites, Philistines from Crete, Anatolian and Lydian Greeks, Hebrews, Amorites, Edomites, Nabateans, Arameans, Romans, Arabs, and European crusaders, to name a few. Each of them appropriated different regions that overlapped in time and competed for sovereignty and land. Others, such as Ancient Egyptians, Hittites, Persians, Babylonians, and Mongols, were historical 'events' whose successive occupations were as ravaging as the effects of major earthquakes ... Like shooting stars, the various cultures shine for a brief moment before they fade out of official historical and cultural records of Palestine. The people, however, survive. In their customs and manners, fossils of these ancient civilizations survived until modernity—albeit modernity camouflaged under the veneer of Islam and Arabic culture."[65]

Kermit Zarley writes that "the early ancestors of some of today's Palestinians are no doubt the Canaanites, Philistines, Phoenicians, Egyptians, Idumaeans, Nabateans and Samaritans. In later periods, their intermarriage with conquering peoples, such as Greeks, Romans, Arabians and Turks, merely added to the genetic mix in Palestine."[66] Much of the local Palestinian population in Nablus, for example, is believed to be descended from Samaritans who converted to Islam.[67] Even today, certain Nabulsi family names including Muslimani, Yaish, and Shakshir among others, are associated with Samaritan ancestry.[67]

DNA and genetic studies
Palestinian coffee house in Jerusalem, c. 1858
Palestinian children in Nazareth

Results of a DNA study by geneticist Ariella Oppenheim in 2000 matched historical accounts that Arab Israelis and Palestinians,[70][71] together as the one same population, represent modern "descendants of a core population that lived in the area since prehistoric times", albeit religiously Christianized and later largely Islamized, then both ultimately becoming culturally Arabized.[72] Referring to those of the Muslim faith more specifically, it reaffirmed that Palestinian "Muslim Arabs are descended from Christians and Jews who lived in the southern Levant, a region that includes Israel, Sinai and part of Jordan." Geneticist Michael Hammer praised "the study for 'focusing in detail on the Jewish and Palestinian populations.'" [73] The study proposes that:

...More than 70% of Jewish men and half of the Arab men whose DNA was studied inherited their Y chromosomes from the same paternal ancestors who lived in the region within the last few thousand years...found that the Y chromosome in Middle Eastern Arabs was almost indistinguishable from that of Jews.[74]

While both the Palestinians and the world's distinct Jewish populations have mixed with invading and host populations respectively, Oppenheim's team found "that Jews have mixed more with other populations, which makes sense because they were more likely to leave the Levant.".[75]

In genetic genealogy studies, Palestinians and Negev Bedouins have the highest rates of Haplogroup J1 (Y-DNA) among all populations tested (62.5%).[76] Semitic populations, including Jews, usually possess an excess of J1 Y chromosomes compared to other populations harboring Y-haplogroup J.[77][78][79][80][81][82][83] The haplogroup J1, associated with marker M267, originates south of the Levant and was first disseminated from there into Ethiopia and Europe in Neolithic times. In Jewish populations J1 has a rate of around 15%, with haplogroup J2 (M172) (of eight sub-Haplogroups) being almost twice as common as J1 among Jews (<29%). J1 is most common in the southern Levant, as well as Syria, Iraq, Algeria, and Arabia, and drops sharply at the border of non-semitic areas like Turkey and Iran. A second diffusion of the J1 marker took place in the seventh century CE when Arabians brought it from Arabia to North Africa.[79]

Seems like this shows that the ancestors of todays Palestinians were there for a very long time and were not newcomers who arrived after Jews. Seems like the Palestinians are the most genetically semitic of the semitic people. The Jews are quite well mixed with other people and have less occurrence of the semitic geneitic marker haplogroup J1, associated with marker M267,

I believe you have just shown that Palestinians were there long before the Zionist Israelis.

 

[Whatsthepoint]

There will have to be some concession on the issue of Jerusalem. Israel has stated no such concession on Jerusalem will be made, but outside pressure could change their minds. Jerusalem might be split in half, but that is a big might.

It wasn't such a big might 10 years ago.

 

[Woodrow]

Israel have reportedly agreed a truce.

Interesting the zionist have also withdrawn their tanks from Southern Gaza!

VICTORY TO HAMAS! VICTORY TO PALESTINE! Allah Hu Akbar!

These murderers know they are LOSING hence the "Truce Agreement" And "Withdrwal Of Tanks"

Hamas has destroyed Israel with home made rockets and by the help of Allah swt!

THIS IS THE POWER OF ALLAH SWT!

InshAllah Hezbollah Will Hammer The Final Fail In The Coffin And Finish Them Off!!

ALLAH IS THE GREATEST!! ALLAH IS THE GREATEST!! ALLAH HU AKBAR!!

I do not think this is because of Hamas and rockets. That method has a 60+ year history of failure.

I think this is the result of the truth being shown by the bodies of innocent children.

The Zionists have learned to use Hamas and the rockets for their purpose and use it to spread lies about Islam and keep the truth about Zionism hidden.

Unintentionaly Hamas was/is the supporting reason for the protection of Israel. That was lost with the pictures of those babies and the truth has won.

We may be more correct to say:

Truth has destroyed Israel with visual proof and by the help of Allah swt!

THIS IS THE POWER OF ALLAH SWT!

InshAllah the Truth Will Hammer The Final Nail In The Coffin And Finish Them Off!!

ALLAH IS THE GREATEST!! ALLAH IS THE GREATEST!! ALLAH HU AKBAR!!

 

[Bittersteel]

I have been mildly interested by the recent comments of the Israeli president.He said they don't care about the public image of Israel;they are more interested in 'defending' their citizens.

hamas is to blame to a certain and quite an extent but the Israelis.....excessive... too extreme as the Saudi fatwa police.after such actions who in the Muslim world will sympathize with the Israelis??

note I said Israelis not Jews.

I don't think things will be fixed if the Israelis or the Hamas don't make concessions.They both have to at the same time.
Until that it's one big circle of hatred and violence.

 

[root]

Civilsed: Palestine was not The British empire's to give. Its like The U.S giving UK to France? nonsence.

Your quite right, when the Old British Empire created the fake story of the "Arab Revolt" British soldiers would fight against the Turks and stop outside a city, where orchestrated like a west end play, Arab's would march into the city and declare it part of Arab land under Arab rule. Such methods were employed in a British/Arab fake Arab Revolt to prevent france who held a claim on Jordan, In 1918 a proposal was accepted by the British Government from Osmold Walrond that would allow the Old British Empire to hand territory over to the Arabs. In Cairo it stated to the Arab Puppets in it's back pocket, any areas not yet conquered "complete and sovereign independance of any Arab area emancipated from Turkish control by the actions of the Arabs themselves"

"Wherever the British Army captured a town or reduced a fortress to rubble which was to be given to the Arabs, it would halt until the Arabs could enter and capture be credited to them"

This is how the Arab league of nations were born, it was an Old British Empire quest to control a Pan-Arab super state, and deny France any spoils of war and deny France a claim on Syria.

Two unforseen problems arose,

1. The British tried to hood-wink the Australians not to enter Damascus and sent the Australians ahead to "cut off" the Turkish Retreat (nudge nudge, wink wink). The Australian commander "Brigadier Wilson" finding that he could not cut them off without entering the city, therefore went in and so it was the Australians that Damascus was indeed surrendered.

Later, Bristish Forces went into Damascus to quell an uprising against the planned installation of Faisal. It was put down in bloody fighting that the Arabs did not participate in, a Sheriffian administration was installed by the British and a story was made up about how the Arabs had captured Damascus.

2. From this "scramble" to claim territory by "Right of conquest" Palestine was excluded, no such effort was made by the Arabs on either side of the Jordan, coming as it did a year after the Balfour Decleration on the Jewish National Home in Palestine, this shows Arabs felt no urge to oppose or obstruct the Jewish homeland. Palestine was hence placed under British Administration on the request of the league of Nations.......

Civilsed: The point Forgotten is that the Zionist's killed many British troops in Palestine through yes suidice bombings. The British empire then withdrew realising the mess created.

Your right, the Arabs had two choices. The British did not want a Jewish state, though it made a promise to the Jews to recognise independence in the SAME WAY it recognised Arab independence, the Arabs could have chosen to join the jews against British Administration or even helped the British crush the jews. The Arabs chose a third option, they did nothing. The British statistics at that time showed ans Arab population of 1,200,000 and estimated 100,000 Arabs of fighting age. The total number of Palestinian fighters numbered 4,000. The Jews 650,000 to protect Palestine, The Arabs were not that bothered about defending Palestinia where as the Jews thought with blood over every aquare inch losing as much as one and a half times as much in dead as the Arabs who thought.

You can check for yourself, the report of the Iraqi Government Comission enquired into the cause of the defeat to discover that the Arabs had no affinity to palestinia and simply moved into Jordan, Syria or Lebanon where as the Jews thought hard and brave to protect their home!!!!!

Hebrew Translation in "Behind the Curtain Tel Aviv 1954

 

[Civilsed]

Just got this thought i'd Share

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=lzFT2MPzlv4

 

[Ummu Sufyaan]

My opinion on Israel is that Jews need a home state for them to be safe from persecution in, as shown by WWII. This state should have been calved out of Germany, but since this has not happened and it has been calved out of the middle east, then this is where the state should be now.

what a load of hogwash!
would you sit and allow someone to invade your home, and in the end just give it up to them ^o) i hardly think!


go say what you just did to the face of a Palestinian and i guarantee you would walk away needing the ICU!!!

Gracious has nothing to do with it. It is either constant death, mainly Palestinians, or a two-state solution.

says who! don't even think for a second that just because there have been 700 Palestinian deaths during the last two weeks, then they'll stop fighting. they'll fight for their religion, country and freedom...even if it means sacrificing their lives.


and @ two-state solution... if you let them settle for that, if you let them settle for whats not rightfully theirs, they're just gonna come back even hungrier for more!

The land was promised to the Jews, the land was protected by the jews the land should be for the jews.

you wish!

Results of a DNA study by geneticist Ariella Oppenheim in 2000 matched historical accounts that Arab Israelis and Palestinian Muslim Arabs are descended from Christians and Jews who lived in the southern Levant, a region that includes Israel, Sinai and part of Jordan.

...more than 70% of Jewish men and half of the Arab men whose DNA was studied inherited their Y chromosomes from the same paternal ancestors who lived in the region within the last few thousand years. . . . . . they found that the Y chromosome in Middle Eastern Arabs was almost indistinguishable from that of Jews.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_people#Ancestral_origins

*googles Ariella Oppenheim* ahh, now why aren't i surprised. shes an Israeli

 

[shuraimfan4lyf]

yes you right ramlah..Islam will prevail until day of Judgment.. Islam is Protected by the the-mighty,the-most powerful, al-qawi Allah(SWT). No matter how many muslims they kill,they will not reach their goal of finishing Islam first,and bring one shaitanic religion to the world. It will never happen inshaAllah..

Sura Al-Kafiroon

109.001 Say : O ye that reject Faith!

109.002 I worship not that which ye worship,

109.003 Nor will ye worship that which I worship.

109.004 And I will not worship that which ye have been wont to worship,

109.005 Nor will ye worship that which I worship.

109.006 To you be your Way, and to me mine.

 

[Ishbah]

Complicated questions and I cannot answer them individually, rather instead in my opinion, my reply is a combined one.

Yes the Jewish people of what is now known as Israel have the right to live in peace, security and fairness. So do the people of Palestinian ethnicity.

A two state solution will never work in my opinion. Israel will never give back the territories that it took illegally from the Palestinian people. The Palestinians will never stop trying to get it back. Having a 2 state solution will only increase aggravation with each side blaming the other.

The way I see it, the only thing that will have a chance of working is a single state solution, where Jews and Muslims and anyone else who lives there have the right to live wherever they choose in the land that is now known as Israel (including West Bank and Gaza). Where they have equal rights, where each person is represented in Government, where people who have been driven from land historically owned by their families are compensated. Equal rights to travel freely, equal water rights, equal spending per capita on schools, hospitals etc (although I suspect that to get them up to a good standard, schools, hospitals etc, in Palestinian areas will need much higher funding for a good few years). Both sides should be made to demilitarise, with UN policing it if needed. A neutral party needs to oversee this, certainly not the US, and not a middle eastern country either.

The country as a whole should be known as it historically was; Caanan. That way neither side can accuse the other of getting the upper hand.

While ever the Palestinian people are oppressed, forced to live in poverty and slums, anger will fester and they will strike out at those who force them to live this way. While ever this goes on, Israel will exert its right to defend itself and will force more and more stringent conditions on Gaza and the West Bank which only increase suffering and hostility.

Surely too many people have died already?

My dear brothers and sisters - regardless your religion,

Israel is always -and has always been- a very sensitive topic, now more than ever. It is especially an emotional topic since it is related to religion.

I am very curious to hear what your opinion is about Israel, and what the best solution would be according to you.

Do you think Israel has the right to exist (If yes, in what form?) Would you agree with the existence of Israel if the UN resolutions are respected and no new settlements are made? If you don't want a Jewish state at all, do you think the Jews should be able to stay where they are? or should they go 'back'? or should they have a special place within palestine?

I believe in 2 possible options:
- 2 new sovereign countries which are respected by both sides, a Jewish Israel and a state of Palestine, according to the 1948 border resolution.
- 1 new secular state of Palestine in which Jews, Muslims, Christians, Druze and Atheists can live together, and maybe with special administrative areas meant for certain groups (I prefer this one)

I am aware that there might be a lot anger due to the recent Israeli attacks, but nonetheless I hope you can give me your honest answer.
:thankyou:

 

[Trumble]

Unintentionaly Hamas was/is the supporting reason for the protection of Israel. That was lost with the pictures of those babies and the truth has won.

We may be more correct to say:

Truth has destroyed Israel with visual proof and by the help of Allah swt!

Or not. I'm very surprised to see such niavete from you, Woodrow. The Israelis are doing what they usually do; as much as they can before pressure from the international community (and, believe it or not, that is considerable, if not always obvious) starts to catch up with them and forces them to stop. As they haven't got beyond 'principles' yet (which as far as I'm aware Hamas haven't even agreed to) they aren't planning on stopping for a while.

 

[Ummu Sufyaan]

Complicated questions and I cannot answer them individually, rather instead in my opinion, my reply is a combined one.

Yes the Jewish people of what is now known as Israel have the right to live in peace, security and fairness. So do the people of Palestinian ethnicity.

well they can go and find their peace and security somewhere else...they aint gonna get peace and securoty by disruoting peace and secuty...

A two state solution will never work in my opinion. Israel will never give back the territories that it took illegally from the Palestinian people. The Palestinians will never stop trying to get it back. Having a 2 state solution will only increase aggravation with each side blaming the other.

The way I see it, the only thing that will have a chance of working is a single state solution, where Jews and Muslims and anyone else who lives there have the right to live wherever they choose in the land that is now known as Israel (including West Bank and Gaza).

do you think that the Palestinian people would want to live side by side by the ones who tried to destroy them, kill their people, take their properties, and the list goes on. do you seriously really believe that<---serious question.
and why the heck should they want it!

Where they have equal rights, where each person is represented in Government, where people who have been driven from land historically owned by their families are compensated. Equal rights to travel freely, equal water rights, equal spending per capita on schools, hospitals etc (although I suspect that to get them up to a good standard, schools, hospitals etc, in Palestinian areas will need much higher funding for a good few years). Both sides should be made to demilitarise, with UN policing it if needed.

nope, i disagree the only government that should be ruling over is a Muslim one. the UN can do whatever they want, as far as i care...but a Muslim government has to govern, well...the Muslims. you cant trust a non-muslim to run the affairs of a Muslim nation.
This is problem with us Muslims. or loyalty doesn't lie with Allah/with the shariah. we need to be independent (as a nation) of people. We have or own shariah, or own laws and rules that govern us. i dont see why we need to seek the help of the non-Muslim government, and put the one that Allah chose for us to the side

The country as a whole should be known as it historically was; Caanan. That way neither side can accuse the other of getting the upper hand.

Palestine belongs to the Palestinians. even if there was to exist a two state solution (god forbid), the Palestinian ought to have more right in ruling over it.

While ever the Palestinian people are oppressed, forced to live in poverty and slums, anger will fester and they will strike out at those who force them to live this way. While ever this goes on, Israel will exert its right to defend itself and will force more and more stringent conditions on Gaza and the West Bank which only increase suffering and hostility.

Surely too many people have died already?

the Palestinians wont (and have every right not to) give up and its about time someone stood to Israel.
it doesn't matter how many people die (not that i like seeing Muslims dying), but if its a choice between sitting down and letting Israel "run the joint," or standing up to Israel and risk being killed (which it always has been and will be), then its best to stand up to the enemy---> they fight for the sake of Allah, That surely isn't a wasted effort.