Horse riding...?

[Ansariyah]

My friends at college are muslim and i'm aaaalways askin them questions... They're always so nice about it though and never bother... I feel very lucky

Aw that's kewl.
u can ask anything u want. lol

 

[*Flossy*]

Aw that's kewl.
u can ask anything u want. lol

aaww thanks very much :smile:

 

[جوري]

Did women during the time of the prophet not ride horses? I ask, how did khawala bint al'azwar go out on the field during the battle of Ajnadin with khalid ibn ilwaleed? did she go on foot?
I am just curious..

 

[doorster]

Did women during the time of the prophet not ride horses? I ask, how did khawala bint al'azwar go out on the field during the battle of Ajnadin with khalid ibn ilwaleed? did she go on foot?
I am just curious..

"...Derar lost his spear, fell from his horse, and was taken prisoner. She donned a male knight’s attire, took her arms and rode her mare through the Roman ranks, using her sword skillfully against whoever tried to stop her. The Muslim soldiers, and their leader Khalid, watched her with great admiration, presuming that she was a man."

But I am sure that was a rhetorical question!

 

[جوري]

"...Derar lost his spear, fell from his horse, and was taken prisoner. She donned a male knight’s attire, took her arms and rode her mare through the Roman ranks, using her sword skillfully against whoever tried to stop her. The Muslim soldiers, and their leader Khalid, watched her with great admiration, presuming that she was a man."

But I am sure that was a rhetorical question!

Jazaka Allah khyran.. thank you, hope you'll share it with umma folks, including this, which I managed to find though not specific for horses but in general

Name Anna -
Profession
Question Salam! Is it allowed for a Muslim lady to drive a car?
Answer Wa `alaykum As-Salamu wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuh.


In the Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.

All praise and thanks are due to Allah, and peace and blessings be upon His Messenger.

There is nothing in the shari`ah that forbids a Muslim woman from driving a car. In the time of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) women used to ride horses and camels; mind you some of those horses were comparable to the racing cars. I do not find any difference between riding a horse and riding a car.



Allah Almighty knows best.

though the questioner was asking of cars
http://www.islamonline.net/livefatwa/english/Browse.asp?hGuestID=d7PqDD

with that said.. I think anything at all can be misused-- sadly many young Muslims today (and I have seen some very recently on this board issuing fatwas left and right) if there was something the prophet PBUH, we must look at situation, purpose and entire context especially with what he allowed and disallowed during his time .. Islam is a way of life, it should be in concert with fitrah.. if it feels mind boggling to accept, it probably because it is..

I have no interest in fixing what is wrong with the ummah folks, but I guess that is something one has to put up with on blogs.. the dissemination of monolithic ignorance.. I am starting to see wisdom in the prophet PBUH used to ask Allah swt from prevention of ignorance amongst the other major ailments..

and Allah swt knows best

 

[doorster]

Jazaka Allah khyran.. thank you, hope you'll share it with umma folks, including this, which I managed to find though not specific for horses but in general

Name Anna -
Profession
Question Salam! Is it allowed for a Muslim lady to drive a car?
Answer Wa `alaykum As-Salamu wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuh.


In the Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.





though the questioner was asking of cars
http://www.islamonline.net/livefatwa/english/Browse.asp?hGuestID=d7PqDD

with that said.. I think anything at all can be misused-- sadly many young Muslims today (and I have seen some very recently on this board issuing fatwas left and right) if there was something the prophet PBUH, we must look at situation, purpose and entire context especially with what he allowed and disallowed during his time .. Islam is a way of life, it should be in concert with fitrah.. if it feels mind boggling to accept, it probably because it is..

I have no interest in fixing what is wrong with the ummah folks, but I guess that is something one has to put up with on blogs.. the dissemination of monolithic ignorance.. I am starting to see wisdom in the prophet PBUH used to ask Allah swt from prevention of ignorance amongst the other major ailments..

and Allah swt knows best

No, because I am of the opinion which errs on the side of caution thus advise against bike and horse riding (unless a side saddle is used for horse) for never-married sisters to save them from possible future repercussions, regardless of what you or anyone may say, a huge number of Muslims are not as well informed as you are, and their means of testing a certain something are limited to that one thing. and if need be I can get backing from Islamonline director and another man calling himself Dr. Arafat an associate of Dr. Naik, in their opinion, even though it is not a scientific test for that "condition", it is what is used by the masses.

 

[جوري]

lol-- ok I can be game with that!

 

[Woodrow]

No, because I am of the opinion which errs on the side of caution thus advise against bike and horse riding (unless a side saddle is used for horse) for never-married sisters to save them from possible future repercussions, regardless of what you or anyone may say, a huge number of Muslims are not as well informed as you are, and their means of testing a certain something are limited to that one thing. and if need be I can get backing from Islamonline director and another man calling himself Dr. Arafat an associate of Dr. Naik, in their opinion, even though it is not a scientific test for that "condition", it is what is used by the masses.

Sadly this is true:

a huge number of Muslims are not as well informed as you are, and their means of testing a certain something are limited to that one thing

But you are right, in order to avoid possible future problems it is prudent for unmarried women to avoid riding horses. Then again to those who are more enlightened and have a better understanding of life it may not pose a future problem that is based on ignorance.

 

[Woodrow]

Sort of off track but if I were to tell any of my Lakota friends out on the rez the reason unmarried women should avoid horseback riding, they would die laughing. The Lakota both boys and girls are riding horses before they can walk and that question has never come up.

 

[Yanal]

Yes it's true what uncle Woody is saying actually I want Qiyamah to come fast.

 

[aminahjaan]

I love horseriding! The Prophet (SAW) also told us to learn how to ride horses and if you think about it they were one of the main sources of travel in his time so I would think women did ride them. It's a good workout too. I've been doing it for a pretty long time.

 

[doorster]

I love horseriding! The Prophet (SAW) also told us to learn how to ride horses and if you think about it they were one of the main sources of travel in his time so I would think women did ride them. It's a good workout too. I've been doing it for a pretty long time.

The Prophet (SAW) also told us to learn how to ride horses

you mean that it is Sunnat e waajab?

I would think women did ride them

I think eveyone is agreed upon that already

 

[~Taalibah~]

I love horseriding! The Prophet (SAW) also told us to learn how to ride horses and if you think about it they were one of the main sources of travel in his time so I would think women did ride them. It's a good workout too. I've been doing it for a pretty long time.

with that said.. I think anything at all can be misused-- sadly many young Muslims today (and I have seen some very recently on this board issuing fatwas left and right) if there was something the prophet PBUH, we must look at situation, purpose and entire context especially with what he allowed and disallowed during his time .. Islam is a way of life, it should be in concert with fitrah.. if it feels mind boggling to accept, it probably because it is..

I have no interest in fixing what is wrong with the ummah folks, but I guess that is something one has to put up with on blogs.. the dissemination of monolithic ignorance.. I am starting to see wisdom in the prophet PBUH used to ask Allah swt from prevention of ignorance amongst the other major ailments..

and Allah swt knows best

If that comment was directed at me, then i protest.
I take a seriouse interest in learning about right and wrong, halaal and haraam as after all thhey are essentials of daily life. If i have replied to a post with 'fatwa' then, i have read and understood what it means from a relaible source. And if i'm not sure, i do say so and am subject to correction. Further i have never said that because of what i'm saying one must detremine it is haraam or wrong etc, just because i said it it is.

Woman definetely used to ride during those times. Yes.
Then too, at those time there wasnt need for full hijaab (cloak, niqaab) e.i it came later on?
There is many an argument on this issue, and id rather not bring them up, as i do not think i'm learned enough. Most ulama believe it fine for women to ride.

I mentined this here as this is a public forum, i myself was a dedicated horse rider and wanted to learn show jumping, professionalsm. I was shown this Hadith by somone and hence i had to berak out.
This is my choice, and if you say it is because of ignorance then thats your opinion.
I dont kbnow of another girl who has done the same as myslef. All still ride.

My reasonings are generelly based by what i'm tought, by my father or sheikh or what i read.

and how does that forbid a woman from riding a horse? We can not change, hasten or stop Qiyamah. The signs of it are warnings for us to be prepared.

Perhaps it can even be a Blessing that a woman warns us by being one of the signs.

What about children being disobident to parents?
Dancing, singing becoming frequent?

Generally as far as my limited knowledge goes, when something is said to be a sign of Qiyamah then it is not 'good'

As i said before this is my opinion. Please dont judge me by my reasoning and if you dont agree, say it, and correct me if i'm wrong.

Peace Out,eace:

 

[Woodrow]

What about children being disobident to parents?
Dancing, singing becoming frequent?

Generally as far as my limited knowledge goes, when something is said to be a sign of Qiyamah then it is not 'good'

As i said before this is my opinion. Please dont judge me by my reasoning and if you dont agree, say it, and correct me if i'm wrong.

Peace Out,eace:

While many of the signs of Qiymah are showing times of increased haram, that does not necessarily mean that in itself a sign is haram.

There can be many reasons, a woman riding a horse would be seen as a sign. What would be the events leading up to an increase of a women riding horses? Some possibilities:

1. Fleeing from war and destruction

2. Obsessive and flagrant display of wealth

3. Lewd behavior resulting in women rushing to men's houses

I do not know if those are the reasons why as qiymah approaches we will see women riding horses but just a thought. My point being I can not find any ayyat or hadith that says a woman riding a horse is haram.

Your opinion is not necessarily wrong. As an opinion we should examine it and see if it is supported by the Qur'an or the Ahadith. But, an opinion by any of us here, my opinion as well as yours is not tafsir and is not to be considered fatwa.

Opinions are good in that they encourage us to think and search. But, we must always be mindfull that some people may think we are making a statement of fiqh which I do not believe either you or myself is trying to do.

Just my opinion Astagfirullah

Opinions are not engraved in stone nor are they unchangeable we each have a right and duty to question each others opinions.

 

[جوري]

If that comment was directed at me, then i protest.

Peace Out,eace:

wa3lykoum aslaam wr wb

The comment was more about a recent member who was banned (I will not mention names) but you may simply browse H&S to see such fatwas on not seeking medical attention when sick, or other sections to see fatwas on not riding cars, taking pictures, using toothpaste etc...

Doubtful matters are best avoided or sought help of a scholar, however, making prohibitions where none exist is another matter all together...

The Prophet (s) said: What is lawful is plain and what is unlawful is plain, and between the two are doubtful matters about which not many people know. Thus whoever avoids doubtful matters maintains clarity and assurance in practicing the religion and protecting his or her honor; but whoever falls into doubtful matters falls into the unlawful, like the shepherd who pastures his flock around a sanctuary, letting it graze almost but not quite inside. Truly every king has a sanctuary, and truly Allah’s sanctuary is His prohibitions. Truly in the body there is a morsel of flesh which, if it be whole, all the body is whole and which, if it be diseased, all of it is diseased, and truly it is the heart. [Bukhari and Muslim]


Thus, I meant you no offense, as evidenced by my comment to Br. Doorster though I don't agree with him 'I can be game with that' we are all ultimately responsible for our actions not for community efforts.

and Allah swt knows best

 

[*Flossy*]

Well, thanks very much for all of your replies everyone!

Woodrow , i've noticed in some other posts that you've said you're a revert? Please correct me if i'm wrong... If this is so, I hope you don't mind me asking (and please just tell me to mind my nose if you do) but how long hve you been a revert? And how long did it take you to learn your arabic? :embarrass

 

[Woodrow]

Well, thanks very much for all of your replies everyone!

Woodrow , i've noticed in some other posts that you've said you're a revert? Please correct me if i'm wrong... If this is so, I hope you don't mind me asking (and please just tell me to mind my nose if you do) but how long hve you been a revert? And how long did it take you to learn your arabic? :embarrass

I have only been a revert since March of 2005. I started learning Arabic in 1963 at the University of Rabat in Morocco. I have lived in North Africa and the Mideast several times. In the past while living there I spoke it very well, however after not speaking it for nearly 30 years I am somewhat in the stage of relearning. It has only been since reverting that I attempted The Qur'anic Arabic and my pronunciation is horrible. I still do every thing with a Moroccan accent. I sound a little like a camel coughing up a hairball.

 

[*Flossy*]

I sound a little like a camel coughing up a hairball.

:giggling:

Wow!! All sounds very interesting! :coolious:

 

[alcurad]

not to go off topic but:
حدثنا يحيى بن يحيى أخبرنا إبراهيم بن سعد عن بن شهاب عن عامر بن سعد عن أبيه قال قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم إن أعظم المسلمين في المسلمين جرما من سأل عن شيء لم يحرم على المسلمين فحرم عليهم من أجل مسألته

the prophet said: (( The Muslim who does the greatest wrong to his fellow Muslims is the one who asks about something that was not forbidden but it becomes forbidden for the Muslims on account of his asking about it )).

 

[~Taalibah~]

While many of the signs of Qiymah are showing times of increased haram, that does not necessarily mean that in itself a sign is haram.

There can be many reasons, a woman riding a horse would be seen as a sign. What would be the events leading up to an increase of a women riding horses? Some possibilities:

1. Fleeing from war and destruction

2. Obsessive and flagrant display of wealth

3. Lewd behavior resulting in women rushing to men's houses

I do not know if those are the reasons why as qiymah approaches we will see women riding horses but just a thought. My point being I can not find any ayyat or hadith that says a woman riding a horse is haram.

Your opinion is not necessarily wrong. As an opinion we should examine it and see if it is supported by the Qur'an or the Ahadith. But, an opinion by any of us here, my opinion as well as yours is not tafsir and is not to be considered fatwa.

Opinions are good in that they encourage us to think and search. But, we must always be mindfull that some people may think we are making a statement of fiqh which I do not believe either you or myself is trying to do.

Just my opinion Astagfirullah

Opinions are not engraved in stone nor are they unchangeable we each have a right and duty to question each others opinions.

Too true, Uncle Woodrow. And interesting possibilities.:hmm:
My apologies if i've sounded harsh.:hiding: