She Was Asleep. I Kissed Her. She Awoke.

Pk_#2 said:
Too long can't read it, can someone summarise it for me... =D (Pretty please with a carrot on top)

I thought it was sleeping beauty, the prince kissed her and she woKed up...
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abu sayyad thanks for posting in TMZ !!!
 
Yanoorah said:
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Thank's for the explanation. At first I thought, why would u wanna post it up here when u deemed it as inappropriate for 16 Year'olds n under to read it. Why wud people be horrified if Scholars of today wrote anything of that sort? Probably because they don't show us "much" of their human side?
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:wasalamex

Because we've (in general) never been exposed more than 5% of what is out there from the works of our scholars, so that dictates that people would by default assume that anything that speaks of this and related subjects such as love, romance, culture etc is forbidden. Also because most of us aren't aware of Arabic poetry - that love, romance, beauty, women, battle, bravery, courage are themes present in most poems even if the poem's main point was something else. Like the poem I mentioned above, the Baanat Su'ad starts off by describing a woman named Su'ad and ends with praise of the Prophet (salalahu 'alayhi wa sallam).

RaineR said:
:rollseyes

abu sayyad thanks for posting in TMZ !!!
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I didn't post there.
 
RaineR said:
:rollseyes

abu sayyad thanks for posting in TMZ !!!
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This Abu Sayyad is not the same one on TMZ, Abu Sayyad on TMZ is Yanal on Li (or Islamic bro or something)

Why you quote me? I'm Astaghfirullah.

 
Lol, That was umm amazing lol! Jazakallah for sharing that bro.
It was definitely witty and clever.
 
Amatul Wadud said:
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Lol I was talking about the poem yesterday with piskel over the fone....and then I had a nightmare about it (I'm not kiddin imsad)

But anyway, you can look at the poem in several ways...It could be his wife....some people disagree because if it was his wife she would not have accused him of theft and wouldnt have reacted in such a way....but if you think about it, how witty they both are and how she realised his intent and replies:

فقالتْ قصاصٌ يشهدُ العقلُ أَنَّه … على كبدِ الجاني أَلذُّ من الشَّهْدِ​


She said, “This kind of punishment, everyone bears witness no doubt
That it is sweeter for the Criminal than honey itself!​

Knowing full well what he wants, its possible that everything they were saying was in jest, and reminds me also of how the prophet (saw) would joke with his wives and was romantic, albeit not in this way. Wallahu A'lam.​

Most people when they read the poem think he commited zina etc, I read and and thought it was worth noting that she acussed him of having stolen a kiss....NOT of having comitted zina...which means she was halal for him maybe.​

Or it could be that the incident was not true and its a story on the authors part of how even the most pious can fall into temptation sometimes? (Its possible but I dont actually buy this theory of mine for some reason :p)​

And the final thing I was thinking about is how the reader is left guessing what the two people actually mean to one another, some of it is ambiguous and cleverly written....to me its saying one thing and one thing only...Love is not always simple and straightforward....its confusing and sometimes catches u unawares....its complicated, just like this poem. And just as you have to think out of the box a little and be open-minded when reading the poem....you have to have the same attitude towards love....and I'm thinking of the thread on love marriages here, you cant brand something so complicated and complex as haram....just because you dont maybe understand or something, wallahu A'lam.​

Just read it again and thing about it insha'Allah​

WassalamuAlaykum​
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AsSalamOAlaikum WaRehmatuAllah WaBarkatuhu

Great post uhkti, i tot that too!! Your last paragraph was excellent!!! :-[

The poem is kindda left for the reader to decide, and having "stolen a kiss" i always tot from the momment i read it that its hubby/wifey having fun!!!

Very witty and cleverly constructed poetry!!!

JazakAllah Khair akhi Abu Sayyad!!! :D

although it was posted ages ago in the private section
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FiAmaaniAllah
 
Pk_#2 said:
This Abu Sayyad is not the same one on TMZ, Abu Sayyad on TMZ is Yanal on Li (or Islamic bro or something)

Why you quote me? I'm Astaghfirullah.
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ooooops sorry..
well this one (:rollseyes) was a reply to ur quote.

and the sentecne (thanks for posting it in TMZ...) was to abu sayyad...
but it looks like its the wrong abu sayyad....sorry:blind:
 
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subhanallah! a beautiful and sweet poem...

i admire how he wove his 'Ilm with cheek to charm her... that was awfully intelligent on his part! this sums him up nicely.


but i dont understand the point of the actual poem its self. i mean with other poems there is something there..like in the end something happens, or the whole poem is describing something...but with this poem i dont see that there is a "focal point." i just don't get the actual point behind the poem...unless its written so the reader isnt meant to...


He goes up to a sleeping girl (who could be anyone, that doesn’t really matter here)
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meh, he could have been thinking of his potential Hoori

May Allah have mercy upon this great Imam’s soul and grant him the highest part of Paradise!
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allahumma ameen...

Ibn Katheer quotes this poem in Bidayah w’l-Nihayah (12/41) and calls it “wonderful”.
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mashAllah, it looks as if we have some mushy Ulamaa'...

and i agree with the point of the thread!
 
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Najm said:
AsSalamOAlaikum WaRehmatuAllah WaBarkatuhu

Great post uhkti, i tot that too!! Your last paragraph was excellent!!! :-[

The poem is kindda left for the reader to decide, and having "stolen a kiss" i always tot from the momment i read it that its hubby/wifey having fun!!!

Very witty and cleverly constructed poetry!!!

JazakAllah Khair akhi Abu Sayyad!!! :D

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although it was posted ages ago in the private section​
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FiAmaaniAllah
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:wasalamex

Lol JazakAllah khayr akhee. I guess it takes a little thought rather than rashly coming to an incorrect conclusion.

WassalamuAlaykum
 
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Amatul Wadud said:
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Lol I was talking about the poem yesterday with piskel over the fone....and then I had a nightmare about it (I'm not kiddin imsad)

But anyway, you can look at the poem in several ways...It could be his wife....some people disagree because if it was his wife she would not have accused him of theft and wouldnt have reacted in such a way....but if you think about it, how witty they both are and how she realised his intent and replies
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you now maybe it IS his wifey but he doesn't mention her specifically as not to embarrass her or not to reveal their eerrrr secrets. so he makes it sound like can be aaaany woman. perhaps shes even a fragment of his cheeky but clever Faqih romantic imagination lol :p (dont mind moi, i just cant seem to get over how adorable that description is )
:)
 
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Selam aleykum
Kissing a girl like that is not a form of theft but a form of harasment sexual abuse. The opening post describes what "ghasb" means, and this act does not seem to be falling under it. Therefor I wouldn't say the poem is "clever" nor "witty". Rather I would say that the poem spreads ignorance, and encourage people to take romance more importantly then shariah.
 
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I think some of us are reading too much in to the poem and are completely missing the point. I guess we're all entitled to our opinions so you can hold whatever opinion you want. As for myself, I don't see anything wrong with the poem. Firstly because it was written by a faqeeh whose knowledge and piety are undoubted (and who is praised by many many other scholars), and secondly because the poem itself has been reported and praised by other giant names of Islamic scholarship such as Ibn Khallikan, Imaam ad-Dhahabi, Ibn Katheer and others. I trust these scholars without a second thought and I'm more than content that there is nothing wrong with this poem because of their praise for it. If this poem was spreading ignorance or undermining the Shariah in any way, I very much doubt that they would have called it "beautiful" and "wonderful" and even before that, I don't think they would have included it in their books if it had been written in the first place!

Next point is that it seems the only problem people are having with this poem is that it's written by a Muslim. Arabic poetry is filled with these kinds of things, and honestly this poem is nothing compared to whats out there. Some should check out the Mu'allaqat by Imril Qays which was hung on the Kaaba, much worse and explicit in comparison, yet he was praised by many Companions as one of the best poets of his time.
 
Abdul Fattah said:
Selam aleykum
Kissing a girl like that is not a form of theft but a form of harasment sexual abuse. The opening post describes what "ghasb" means, and this act does not seem to be falling under it. Therefor I wouldn't say the poem is "clever" nor "witty". Rather I would say that the poem spreads ignorance, and encourage people to take romance more importantly then shariah.
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i dont know how you see it like that, the poem is not saying that whoever 'he' was went up to some strange woman and kissed her. its a clever poem on male-female (lets say husband/wife so we dont assume wrongly) relationship and the theft part could easily have been flirting/teasing on her part just as the rest of the poem seems which is very natural and expected :?
 

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