Things in Islam I am curious about...

The Baha'i faith is not an Islamic one. Followers of this faith are not Muslim. A person who leaves Islam and converts to this religion is an apostate.

May Allah guide you.
 
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BoredAgnostic said:
Eh..whats wrong with feeling emotions, especially positive ones like happiness? I guess thoughts should be forbidden as well..since they trigger emotions too.
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thats what i was thinking, atleast give valid points as to why music is forbidden but those are natural feelings which are bound to be triggered by anything.
 
Malaikah said:
The Baha'i faith is not an Islamic one. Followers of this faith are not Muslim. A person who leaves Islam and converts to this religion is an apostate.

May Allah guide you.
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And how should one who left Islam expect to be treated by one's family members who are still Sunni Muslim? Does it make a difference if the family is liberal or salafi?
 
Allah-u-Abha,

My father is liberal, he has a profound respect for my faith. :)

My mother is salafi, and threatened to disown me if I continue my beliefs (I announced my declaration of membership to her a few days after my post here). However, I'm confident that she will accept my position soon. Now, she only says that she won't support me financially, which doesn't really matter to me as I've become a freelance travel journalist. ^^

What I'm worried about is my grandmother, who arrives today from Mangalore. I recall back in the mid-90's, when she caught my uncle with an "immoral" videotape (probably something as mild as casablanca, knowing his tastes), she and her brothers kicked him on the floor and pulled his hair out with their bare hands. They also threw petroleum on him and threatened to burn him alive.

I really dislike fanaticism.

Anyway, I would still love to know the Sunni position (at least one that says we mustn't be decapitated). In Iran, we are heavily persecuted, but not declared as apostates, due to the fact that we accept Muhammad, Adam, Moses, and Jesus as previous manifestations of God.
 
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sounds like a load of made-up bull to me, sorry and all that but...
The Khan said:
Allah-u-Abha,

My father is liberal, he has a profound respect for my faith. :)

My mother is salafi, and threatened to disown me if I continue my beliefs. However, I'm confident that she will accept my position soon. Now, she only says that she won't support me financially, which doesn't really matter to me as I've become a freelance travel journalist. ^^

What I'm worried about is my grandmother, who arrives today from Mangalore. I recall back in the mid-90's, when she caught my uncle with an "immoral" videotape (probably something as mild as casablanca, knowing his tastes), she and her brothers kicked him on the floor and pulled his hair out with their bare hands. They also threw petroleum on him and threatened to burn him alive.

I really dislike fanaticism.

Anyway, I would still love to know the Sunni position. In Iran, we are heavily persecuted, but not declared as apostates, due to the fact that we accept Muhammad, Adam, Moses, and Jesus as previous manifestations of God.
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there used to be "Muslims" called monafiqs who joind with Muslims with the intention of "apostating" later (to demoralise and sap the confidence of the real ones)
 
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Grace Seeker said:
And how should one who left Islam expect to be treated by one's family members who are still Sunni Muslim? Does it make a difference if the family is liberal or salafi?
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Well, liberal by definition would mean that they are lax and don't care, therefore you wouldn't expect them to care. It depends on what you mean by liberal though.

A practising Muslim, or even many non-practising Muslims, regardless of what sect, school of thought or movement they belong too, will not take the news well at.
 
doorster said:
sounds like a load of made-up bull to me, sorry and all that but...
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I was there that day, unfortunately. That kind of behaviour is quite popular in India, regardless of religion or sect. Here are two recent news articles, one from Mangalore, the other from Bangalore: http://www.ndtv.com/convergence/ndtv/story.aspx?id=NEWEN20090084854&ch=2/26/2009 9:48:00 AM

http://www.hindu.com/2009/02/26/stories/2009022657590100.htm

Malaikah said:
Well, liberal by definition would mean that they are lax and don't care, therefore you wouldn't expect them to care. It depends on what you mean by liberal though.

A practising Muslim, or even many non-practising Muslims, regardless of what sect, school of thought or movement they belong too, will not take the news well at.
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Ismailis are quite relaxed with "apostacy". They do not view it as a punishable offence.

We Baha'is don't believe in such a thing as apostacy, as unity of religion is one of the pillars of our faith. We only believe in declaring membership and resigning from the faith.
 
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The Khan said:
I was there that day, unfortunately. That kind of behaviour is quite popular in India, regardless of religion or sect. Here are two recent news articles, one from Mangalore, the other from Bangalore: http://www.ndtv.com/convergence/ndtv/story.aspx?id=NEWEN20090084854&ch=2/26/2009 9:48:00 AM

http://www.hindu.com/2009/02/26/stories/2009022657590100.htm



Ismailis are quite relaxed with "apostacy". They do not view it as a punishable offence.

We Baha'is don't believe in such a thing as apostacy, as unity of religion is one of the pillars of our faith. We only believe in declaring membership and resigning from the faith.
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Ismailis are quite relaxed with "apostacy". They do not view it as a punishable offence.
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nor do I except in cases of spies or soldiers
 
I see, that's interesting. Do you know of any fatwas by a Sunni Imam (preferably salafi) supporting your view? I would love to show it to my mother.
 
The Khan said:
Allah-u-Abha,

My father is liberal, he has a profound respect for my faith. :)

My mother is salafi, and threatened to disown me if I continue my beliefs (I announced my declaration of membership to her a few days after my post here). However, I'm confident that she will accept my position soon. Now, she only says that she won't support me financially, which doesn't really matter to me as I've become a freelance travel journalist. ^^

What I'm worried about is my grandmother, who arrives today from Mangalore. I recall back in the mid-90's, when she caught my uncle with an "immoral" videotape (probably something as mild as casablanca, knowing his tastes), she and her brothers kicked him on the floor and pulled his hair out with their bare hands. They also threw petroleum on him and threatened to burn him alive.

I really dislike fanaticism.

Anyway, I would still love to know the Sunni position (at least one that says we mustn't be decapitated). In Iran, we are heavily persecuted, but not declared as apostates, due to the fact that we accept Muhammad, Adam, Moses, and Jesus as previous manifestations of God.
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That is really extreme i'm sure she can't touch you and you should try to stay away if you think anything like that can happen
 
Allah-u-Abha

Nay, she's an old woman now, and all her brothers (except one, he's in Saudi atm) have passed away. If she does come to know, she will most likely forbid everyone she knows from acknowledging my existence.

I've been discussing my problem with the local Baha'i community. Our secretary (we have a non-partisan electoral system, we have NO CLERGY) told me that his story was no different. However, in his case, within a year, his whole family transformed into members of the Baha'i faith.

Today's the 19-day feast for the month of Ala (we have 19 months, each with 19 days, the first day begins after sunset. we have a feast day at the beginning of each month)! Our 19 day fasting period begins tomorrow! :)
 
No, heh, I dont know about that specifically. However, religious and cultural ideals are maintained forcefully in the family. The exact methods differ from family to family.
 
A statement of my understanding of Islamic theology.
An observation of common practice in Islam.
And a question coming out of putting those two things side-by-side.


1) My understanding.

a) It is my understand that the prevailing view in Islam is that people are born pure and without any sin.
b) And if one were to die at that point in time that the individual would die guilt-free and guaranteed of paradise.

Is this a fair understanding of Islam?



2) It is my observation that Muslims will pray for people to repent, to live righteous lives, to submit to Allah, to turn from their wickedness and to God. But I never hear prayers offered on behalf of those who are presently sinless that they may remain so throughout their lives, and never stray into unrighteousness in the first place.


3) The question(s): Am I correct in making this observation? Is this because Muslims believe it to be inevitable that people will sin sooner or later? Is there some other reason that Muslims don't pray for those who are born sinless to simply remain sinless?
 
In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful
Salaam/peace

Grace Seeker said:
... Is there some other reason that Muslims don't pray for those who are born sinless to simply remain sinless?
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That's an interesting question :)

I never prayed to Allah to be sinless . Normally I pray so that I can die in/with faith , don't commit any major sin ever etc etc .

I guess , it's normal /expected that we will commit some minor sins . God promised that He will pardon us if we can stay away from the most major sins. So , if a Muslim dies without committing the most major sin- shirk -- s/he will be saved from the eternal fire.

May be , that's the reason normally Muslims pray to Allah to save us from shirk , to give us death as a believer .
 

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