How is an infidel treated in Islam?

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Follower said:
I have been told by some Muslims that a kafir was a pagan.

As someone that does not believe that Mohammad was a prophet I have also been considered a kafir and no I have not always been treated with good manners. LOL!
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have you always treated with good manners yourself?
 
Thank you Gossamer!

In my parts a hoot is a loving expression that is given when someone has said something truly funny, ironic, silly, etc. It is always said when your are happy laughing at something someone has said.

You never call a person a hoot in anger- it is used between friends.

LOL!! Of course I was off topic of the main topic in my post to osman, but it was on topic in relation to osman's comments.
 
Umm ul-Shaheed - On forums, I have never called anyone names out of anger or frustration. I have also not labeled someone as needing psychiatric help or being insane. I have never called anyone an infidel or pagan, kafir.

Even if someone calls themself a Muslim when I know that others might not call them a Muslims- Ahmalhdi (spelling?) I don't say no your not!! LOL! I say so be it if you say you are a Muslim ok. There are some things just not worth worrying about.

Jehovah Witnesses, Mormons- thay say they are the true Christians, my concept of Christianity is a bit different then theirs. I just don't believe they way they do.

As a Christian to Muslims I don't call them infidels, their concept and my concept of who GOD is and what His make up is, differs from mine.

As a kid though, I was ornery!!
 
Follower said:
Thank you Gossamer!

In my parts a hoot is a loving expression that is given when someone has said something truly funny, ironic, silly, etc. It is always said when your are happy laughing at something someone has said.

You never call a person a hoot in anger- it is used between friends.

LOL!! Of course I was off topic of the main topic in my post to osman, but it was on topic in relation to osman's comments.
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Thank you for a grammar lesson-- I am well aware of what 'hoot' means.. as I use it quite often ( in the silly) form yielding to sarcastic...

All the best
 
cali dude said:
Sorry for the confusion, although yes I am a former Sikh, I meant to discus how an infidel aka Kafir not apostate because the quotes about the infidel is what turned me off about Sikhism.

Just as an FYI though, even when I considered myself, I had started cutting my hair at 19. So some people would call me apostate as soon as I cut my hair. But now I guess I voluntarily became apostate to Sikhism once I got turned off by Sikhism.

To the Sikh guy responding to this, the word Saakat is sometimes translated to Infidel and some other times, it's translated to faithless cynic...
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There is no such thing as a infidel in Sikhism.
 
Charzhino said:
There is no such thing as a infidel in Sikhism.
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Hello Charzhino, you may be young and maybe you don't know much about Sikhism. Saakat means a non-believer, in other word infidel.

From my experience with Sikhi, Sikhi really isn't what we all think it is. Sikhs often claim that Sikhi is about equality of all, which is false. I believed in Sikhi until I found out that Sikhi really isn't what I always thought as a child. Once I found out that Sikhi wasn't about equality of all and that harsh words used toward a Saakat aka infidel, I had no reason to be Sikh. For any religion that is word of The One Lord, there can not any discrimination at all. Those who use discrimination, in schools for example or at work places, can not claim to follow Lord's way. Since there is only one Lord and there is only one humanity, for those who believe in The Lord, there is no reason at all to discriminate...

If you are willing to learn the truth, learn without any biases and you will find out the truth as long as you are willing to accept the truth when you see it and don't make any excuses...
 
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cali dude said:
Hello Charzhino, you may be young and maybe you don't know much about Sikhism. Saakat means a non-believer, in other word infidel.

From my experience with Sikhi, Sikhi really isn't what we all think it is. Sikhs often claim that Sikhi is about equality of all, which is false. I believed in Sikhi until I found out that Sikhi really isn't what I always thought as a child. Once I found out that Sikhi wasn't about equality of all and that harsh words used toward a Saakat aka infidel, I had no reason to be Sikh. For any religion that is word of The One Lord, there can not any discrimination at all. Those who use discrimination, in schools for example or at work places, can not claim to follow Lord's way. Since there is only one Lord and there is only one humanity, for those who believe in The Lord, there is no reason at all to discriminate...

If you are willing to learn the truth, learn without any biases and you will find out the truth as long as you are willing to accept the truth when you see it and don't make any excuses...
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Ok can we clear up on your definition of an Infidel please.
 
infidel as per dictionary is : A person who does not acknowledge your god
 
Charzhino said:
Ok can we clear up on your definition of an Infidel please.
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Check out: http://www.sikhmatrimonials.com/sikhnet/discussion.nsf/by+topic/7D97531239CA9F5B872574170050E84F!OpenDocument

Saakat = Infidel = non-believer...

I guess the standard definition of an Infidel is as follows:

in⋅fi⋅del   [in-fi-dl, -del] Show IPA
–noun
1. Religion.
a. a person who does not accept a particular faith, esp. Christianity.
b. (in Christian use) an unbeliever, esp. a Muslim.
c. (in Muslim use) a person who does not accept the Islamic faith; kaffir.
2. a person who has no religious faith; unbeliever.
3. (loosely) a person who disbelieves or doubts a particular theory, belief, creed, etc.; skeptic.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/infidel?qsrc=2888
 
um, ok this is off topic but:-
Thinker:"I've formed the view that to call Islam a religion doesn't fully describe what it is"

no, actually Islam is mostly the only major 'religion' that has remained a religon in a sense,, of course the existance of the muslim churches-I mean the sects- as well as the abuse Islam goes through by dictators or tribals calling whatever they do Islam hides the fact,,

on topic, in Islam, we are to present our religion to others, treat them as we treat each other-the prophet's story with his Jewish neighbor etc-and not to insult them or their beliefs for being non muslims.
 
cali dude said:
Check out: http://www.sikhmatrimonials.com/sikhnet/discussion.nsf/by+topic/7D97531239CA9F5B872574170050E84F!OpenDocument

Saakat = Infidel = non-believer...

I guess the standard definition of an Infidel is as follows:

in⋅fi⋅del   [in-fi-dl, -del] Show IPA
–noun
1. Religion.
a. a person who does not accept a particular faith, esp. Christianity.
b. (in Christian use) an unbeliever, esp. a Muslim.
c. (in Muslim use) a person who does not accept the Islamic faith; kaffir.
2. a person who has no religious faith; unbeliever.
3. (loosely) a person who disbelieves or doubts a particular theory, belief, creed, etc.; skeptic.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/infidel?qsrc=2888
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Ok I suspected that. But I will say it again, there is no such thing as a non-Sikh who believes in monotheistic God. Sikhism believes that a person can reach salvation no matter what religion they are in, including Islam, but only if they meditate soley on God's name whilst becoming enlightned by removing the 5 vices: Lust, Greed, Ego, Anger, Emotional Attachement.
The verses you described before talk about people who have no belief in any sort of God (athiests). The verse you quoted before:

The faithless cynic is nameless, like the prostitute's son.

is reffering to people who not only do not believe in God but have a genereal spitness about them. Look at the definition of cynic:

Cynic-
1) a person who believes that only selfishness motivates human actions and who disbelieves in or minimizes selfless acts or disinterested points of view.

2) a person who shows or expresses a bitterly or sneeringly cynical attitude.
 
Charzhino said:
Ok I suspected that. But I will say it again, there is no such thing as a non-Sikh who believes in monotheistic God. Sikhism believes that a person can reach salvation no matter what religion they are in, including Islam, but only if they meditate soley on God's name whilst becoming enlightned by removing the 5 vices: Lust, Greed, Ego, Anger, Emotional Attachement.
The verses you described before talk about people who have no belief in any sort of God (athiests). The verse you quoted before:

The faithless cynic is nameless, like the prostitute's son.

is reffering to people who not only do not believe in God but have a genereal spitness about them. Look at the definition of cynic:

Cynic-
1) a person who believes that only selfishness motivates human actions and who disbelieves in or minimizes selfless acts or disinterested points of view.

2) a person who shows or expresses a bitterly or sneeringly cynical attitude.
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Well yes, when I said Saakat or infidel or faithless cynic, it didn't mean that someone is not a Sikh...

I thought it had been cleared up way before that an infidel was a non-believer, someone who doesn't believe in God...

But I think it's still very harsh to say that a Saakat, like son of a prostitute, doesn't know him father...
 

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