Muslim mother excluded from school parents' evening for wearing veil

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Zahida said:
:sl: Dearest Whatsthepoint............ I am so sorry you feel this way......... Not everyone is alike, no two people are the same it seems you have a chip on your shoulder about the niqaab wearing scenario because it poses a threat????????

When i was about 22 a young British woman wearing a bikini top was riding her bike in London. A passer by snatched her top as he walked past.......? Was she doing the wrong thing by your standards too???? Or was it the right thing?

This woman chooses to wear the niqaab she maybe aware of what others think of her or what goes through other peoples minds...........but i commend her for standing up for herself and her religious beliefs..:smile::w:
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She wasn't doing anything bad by my standards.
She can stand up for her believes in Saudi Arabia and in her own community, but not in public places.
 
:sl: Phewwwwwwwww man you are hard work!!!!:w::bump1:


No bad feelings everyone has the right of expression...........
Whatsthepoint said:
She wasn't doing anything bad by my standards.
She can stand up for her believes in Saudi Arabia and in her own community, but not in public places.
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Whatsthepoint said:
That's true but you can at least see their face and determine whether it exhibis any unusual signs.
And safety isn't the only concern I have with niqabs.
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you totally missed the point there didnt you?
 
Dawud_uk said:
exactly thinker, your country. but this case didnt take case in your country.

when the muslims first came here to the uk they were free to live by their own culture and creed, just had to keep to the laws, fair enough.

but now matters have changed, the deal is being changed after both signatures are long dry by one party, in complete opposition to that of the other party to the agreement.
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That's as clear as mud!!
 
If the scholarly consensus is that the hijab is all that is required can someone explain to me how a Muslim woman can claim that she is wearing the niqab because she believes it is her religious duty to do so?
 
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Thinker said:
If the scholarly consensus is that the hijab is all that is required can someone explain to me how a Muslim woman can claim that she is wearing the niqab because she believes it is her religious duty to do so?
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Who said that there is a scholarly consensus on the issue?
 
Thinker said:
If the scholarly consensus is that the hijab is all that is required can someone explain to me how a Muslim woman can claim that she is wearing the niqab because she believes it is her religious duty to do so?
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it is agreed by all muslims that the hijab and modest clothing is a must for women to wear outdoors or she is sinning.

some scholars also believe the clothing should be long and hide the shape of the body,

others also hold the niqab to be compuslory as well, others say the long clothing and niqab are voluntary but strongly stressed.
 
Dawud_uk said:
why dont we ban people wearing glasses, after all anyone could be hiding behind them and using them as disguise.
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It's completely different, fat and bad sighted is a condition, extreme piety is not.
And you cannot compare glasses and fat people to a loose garment covering the entire body.
And I said niqab also creates isolation and the entire culture is based on eye contact, facial expressions. You cannot trust a person whose face you don't see. Even sun glasses are a problem.
 
Whatsthepoint said:
It's completely different, fat and bad sighted is a condition, extreme piety is not.
And you cannot compare glasses and fat people to a loose garment covering the entire body.
And I said niqab also creates isolation and the entire culture is based on eye contact, facial expressions. You cannot trust a person whose face you don't see. Even sun glasses are a problem.
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ok lets address this point seriously...

you are wrong, your culture is wrong, your way of life is wrong, it is sick and perverted.

this is because you place man and his desires as the arbitrator in life.

If your culture says men and women must interact then it is wrong because the creator says it is wrong.

but you dont believe in the creator as such or have serious doubts, therefore that is the discussion we should have as you will never accept what i say as is based on Quran and sunnah and i will never accept what you say as based on your desires and ration and the desires and ration of other men.
 
Dawud_uk said:
ok lets address this point seriously...

you are wrong, your culture is wrong, your way of life is wrong, it is sick and perverted.

this is because you place man and his desires as the arbitrator in life.

If your culture says men and women must interact then it is wrong because the creator says it is wrong.

but you dont believe in the creator as such or have serious doubts, therefore that is the discussion we should have as you will never accept what i say as is based on Quran and sunnah and i will never accept what you say as based on your desires and ration and the desires and ration of other men.
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The discussion absically revolves around the fact that the school didn't let the woman attend the parents' meeting.
U think the school had all the right to do that.
 
Whatsthepoint said:
The discussion absically revolves around the fact that the school didn't let the woman attend the parents' meeting.
U think the school had all the right to do that.
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do i think they had the right to do that
or do i think it was right to do that?

the answer to the first seems in the uk seems to be yes they can

but do i think it was right? no, it was wrong, what do i base that reason on? God's law. but you are never going to get that unless you become a believer first.
 
Whatsthepoint said:
Well I've never had the chance to meet one but I'd like to talk to one.
It doesn't matter though.
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im sure there are veiled sisters here who would happily speak to you and answer your questions. maybe next time you do see one you should talk and see how it goes.

as for the school- its not as if the town is alien to veiled women. there are many many women wearing the veil in blackburn- its not even a big deal so i dont see the point in this hoohaa
 
Dawud_uk said:
do i think they had the right to do that
or do i think it was right to do that?

the answer to the first seems in the uk seems to be yes they can

but do i think it was right? no, it was wrong, what do i base that reason on? God's law. but you are never going to get that unless you become a believer first.
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Yes.
I feel sorry for the poor woman, but every battle needs victims I guess, or perhaps martyrs.
 
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