Thrashing of 17 year old girl..........

[Dawud_uk]

Hmmmmmmmm that younirls screams wer definately not a figment of my imagination.......... i can hear them now.............

I did find the videos where the men were thrashed also..............imsad

What is the world coming to?? Today there were suicide bombings in Chikwaal.............

Ya Allah have Mercy on us........Ameen.................

i am assuming given you are muslim if they had a shariah trial and were found guilty you wouldnt have a problem with them being flogged for it?

 

[Zahida]

Yes brothei am Muslim. Shariah Law is something i would agree with if it was carried out appropriately and in the correct manner........... If it was right to do this where does it say that it should be filmed??? I am sorry i don't think you understand what i am trying to say..........:bump1:

 

[K.Venugopal]

What is "thrashing"? stoning?
if so it's terrible.. i don't know how some people don't fear Allah when doing things like that. Prophet(pbuh) clearly says 4 witneses, or woman's confession are needed.. it doesn't say "guilty until proven innocent".

I understand in the case of rape 4 witnesses are required; the victim's statement is not enough. Is this correct?

 

[K.Venugopal]

Yes brothei am Muslim. Shariah Law is something i would agree with if it was carried out appropriately and in the correct manner........... If it was right to do this where does it say that it should be filmed??? I am sorry i don't think you understand what i am trying to say..........:bump1:

But there was no video at the time Shariah Laws were written.

 

[aamirsaab]

I understand in the case of rape 4 witnesses are required; the victim's statement is not enough. Is this correct?

WRONG. Victim's statement IS enough on rape charge in sharia.

But there was no video at the time Shariah Laws were written.

Don't matter. Principle of sharia is to create justice and peace in society. Evidence in any form (such as video or voice recordings) can be used in a sharia court. Evidence is evidence.

 

[Dawud_uk]

Yes brothei am Muslim. Shariah Law is something i would agree with if it was carried out appropriately and in the correct manner........... If it was right to do this where does it say that it should be filmed??? I am sorry i don't think you understand what i am trying to say..........:bump1:

i do, i just dont hold it as something which would cause me to condemn them out of hand without looking into the matter in greater detail first. at the end of the day they are trying to bring back the shariah, so we should support them where we can.

now let me come at this from a slightly different angle so you can see where i am coming from...

who is better and who is worse, the one who prays inperfectly or the one who doesnt bother to pray, infact this 2nd person doesnt even consider his salaah to be an obligation.

shariah is an obligation, this is why although you might be correct on filming it, on the other hand it causes me to love my brothers and sisters in swat even more for their efforts to stuggle in the path of Allah to make Allah's law most supreme, even when they make mistakes as non of us are perfect and why i hate those who struggle against it and fight it.

 

[Dawud_uk]

WRONG. Victim's statement IS enough on rape charge in sharia.


Don't matter. Principle of sharia is to create justice and peace in society. Evidence in any form (such as video or voice recordings) can be used in a sharia court. Evidence is evidence.

assalaamu alaykum,

in the shariah 4 witnesses or a confession from the rapist are required, however a man can be convicted on lesser evidence of hiraba (taking something using force or threat of force) which can be used to convict someone who attacks a woman as a man is almost always stronger than the woman.

 

[Zahida]

Good point................:bump1:

But there was no video at the time Shariah Laws were written.

 

[Zahida]

I respect your views and opinion brother......... I still disagree with the filming though and the showing of it............. How many people are affected by the showing of this video Islam is a peaceful religion the showing of the video has been shown worldwide Islam is not portrayed as peaceful........

That is my strongest opinion that the video should NOT have been shown and this matter could have been kept in Swat and amongst the people who reside there...............

i do, i just dont hold it as something which would cause me to condemn them out of hand without looking into the matter in greater detail first. at the end of the day they are trying to bring back the shariah, so we should support them where we can.

now let me come at this from a slightly different angle so you can see where i am coming from...

who is better and who is worse, the one who prays inperfectly or the one who doesnt bother to pray, infact this 2nd person doesnt even consider his salaah to be an obligation.

shariah is an obligation, this is why although you might be correct on filming it, on the other hand it causes me to love my brothers and sisters in swat even more for their efforts to stuggle in the path of Allah to make Allah's law most supreme, even when they make mistakes as non of us are perfect and why i hate those who struggle against it and fight it.

 

[buddy1]

I watched, I heaved, I turned off, disgusting, Absolutely disgusting and if i found someone doing that to my daughter, or my son for that matter, there would be a problem, a very serious problem, that makes me angry, so very very very angry!

 

[Zahida]

I know what you mean i think i have let my emotions as a mother come into this! I felt physically sick and did not sleep the night i watched the video all i could hear were screams!!!!!!!!!!!:bump1:

I watched, I heaved, I turned off, disgusting, Absolutely disgusting and if i found someone doing that to my daughter, or my son for that matter, there would be a problem, a very serious problem, that makes me angry, so very very very angry!

 

[wth1257]

assalaamu alaykum,

in the shariah 4 witnesses or a confession from the rapist are required, however a man can be convicted on lesser evidence of hiraba (taking something using force or threat of force) which can be used to convict someone who attacks a woman as a man is almost always stronger than the woman.

An unmarried woman is pregnant. She claims she was raped but the man denies it and there are no whitnesses. Is she guilty of fornication?

 

[buddy1]

me too, but even as a non mother, my sister just watched it and she said that if her daughter committed adultery, beating her would not be a way of getting around it, it doesnt hide what she did, it just brutally abuses her. where are her rights as a women. SO big question now, what if it was the other way round, if he had commited the adultery, what would have got!!?

 

[Zahida]

Yes if there are no witnessess..................:bump1:

An unmarried woman is pregnant. She claims she was raped but the man denies it and there are no whitnesses. Is she guilty of fornication?

 

[crayon]

assalaamu alaykum,

in the shariah 4 witnesses or a confession from the rapist are required, however a man can be convicted on lesser evidence of hiraba (taking something using force or threat of force) which can be used to convict someone who attacks a woman as a man is almost always stronger than the woman.

Hmmm, is this matter agreed upon by all scholars?
Because I've heard otherwise, here, and in other places as well:

Are Raped Women Asked to Bring Four Witnesses?

 

[Questfortruth]

An unmarried woman is pregnant. She claims she was raped but the man denies it and there are no whitnesses. Is she guilty of fornication?

This very topic has been discussed many times on this forum. There is a hadeeth that a women woke up next to a man denied that she ever knew the men was next to her. So she was not punished for that sin.

 

[Questfortruth]

I understand in the case of rape 4 witnesses are required; the victim's statement is not enough. Is this correct?

Dont they bury the women alive when her husband dies in Hinduism?

 

[buddy1]

The Commission of Sati (Prevention) Act of 1987 Part I, Section 2(c) defines Sati as:

The burning or burying alive of – (i) any widow along with the body of her deceased husband or any other relative or with any article, object or thing associated with the husband or such relative; or (ii) any woman along with the body of any of her relatives, irrespective of whether such burning or burying is claimed to be voluntary on the part of the widow or the women or other-wise[6]

The act of sati is said to exist voluntarily; from the existing accounts, many of these acts do indeed occur voluntarily. The act may have been expected of widows in some communities, and the extent to which social pressures or expectations constitute compulsion has been much debated in modern times. However, there were also instances where the wish of the widow to commit sati was not welcomed by others, and where efforts were made to prevent the death.[7]

Traditionally, a person's funeral would have occurred within a day of the death, requiring decisions about sati to be made by that time. When the husband died elsewhere, the widow might still die by immolation at a later date.

Sati often emphasized the marriage between the widow and her deceased husband. For instance, rather than mourning clothes, the to-be sati was often dressed in marriage robes or other finery. In the preliminaries of the related act of Jauhar, both the husbands and wives have been known to dress in their marriage clothes and re-enact their wedding ritual, before going to their separate deaths.

Accounts describe numerous variants in the sati ritual. The majority of accounts describe the woman seated or lying down on the funeral pyre beside her dead husband. Many other accounts describe women walking or jumping into the flames after the fire had been lit,[8] and some describe women seating themselves on the funeral pyre and then lighting it themselves.[9]

Some written instructions for the ritual exist. For instance, the Yallajeeyam provides detailed instructions about who may commit sati, cleansing for the sati, positioning, attire, and other ritual aspects.[10]

 

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the news of this girl has been proved to be false ...

 

[Zahida]

which bit???? The bit where she is lying on the floor writhing in pain ......... Which part is false???????/:bump1: