Slavery

Is slavery moral and ethical?

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glo said:
I cannot believe that there are people who have voted anything other than a clear 'No!' ...

Surely this is some kind of joke? :?
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What comes to mind when you think of slavery in terms of treatment? :)
 
Barclays and lloyds (prob others too) and diamond industry were all forged from slavery, are we wrong to bank with them or wear jewelery ? Domestic slavery also exsists whether it be as a result of abusive relationships or choice. I think that there are many mitigating points to consider when discussing right or wrongs of slavery that maybe we should break topic down and discuss individually. I also think that whole countries are enslaved to other countries to some extent, whether it be with the supply of oil or under seige or exploiting the work force of other nations. I think AoP has touched on a valid, if somewhat complicated subject
 
I think this is somewhat like polygamy. Nature of the issue is highly based on circumstances. Also like polygamy, it is also strongly regulated, but still available as an option. And like how staying away from polygamy is usually better for us, staying away from slavery is usually better for us as well.
 
glo said:
I cannot believe that there are people who have voted anything other than a clear 'No!' ...

Surely this is some kind of joke? :?
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glo, i didnt vote no the reason being is i accept islam totally.

now the slavery allowed in the Quran and Sunnah is not like that imagined in the west who still suffer the scars in their society from the slavery they carried out (think of the US and divide between blacks and whites still).

so do i accept islam as part of islam, yes it is part of my deen. but when i say slavery it is probably something in concept and actions very different from what the questioner thinks of it.
 
Dawud_uk said:
so do i accept islam as part of islam, yes it is part of my deen. but when i say slavery it is probably something in concept and actions very different from what the questioner thinks of it.
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How is it different?
 
Osman said:
Hi Thinker, If you have any objections to the points in the article which was 'cut and pasted', you are quite free to bring them forth as and where appropriate. :)
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Greetings Osman,

Cut and paste – I don’t want to make an issue out of it, just thought it was a bit lazy.

With regard to the text that was pasted I don’t have any argument with the content of the piece, the author goes into great (factual) detail on the history of slavery in Islam and slavery elsewhere. My problem is that I have now read it twice and it’s not absolutely clear to me whether he believes that slavery in 21C Islam allowed or not allowed.

With regards to my comment on ‘cut and paste,’ I try to cut and paste the key paragraph and then provide the link so that I have done the work for those who just want to get to the key point and others who want to read more can. If the question here had been ‘what is the history or slavery in Islam’ I would not have commented on the cut and paste but that’s not the question.
 
Thinker said:
How is it different?
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hi thinker,

if i ever went in the path of Allah and was given a slave from the spoils of war then islam commands me to treat this slave kindly and justly.

i cannot hit him on the face, i must dress them in the same standard of clothes i wear, feed him the same food, give him a bed and room simular to my own, and work him no more than i work myself.

yes he is a slave as he is 'owned' and in this it is simular to the slavery of the west, but only in this respect, in everything else it is totally different, subhanallah even if i hit a slave unjustly they have a right of complaint to the qadi (islamic judge) who if they feel it was unjust can order their freedom.

now you may or may not agree with the principle of slavery but it is part of the deen of islam which i accept absolutely as it is from the Quran and Sunnah and therefore no muslim if he / she understands it is from the Quran and Sunnah should question this.
 
Dawud_uk said:
hi thinker,

if i ever went in the path of Allah and was given a slave from the spoils of war then islam commands me to treat this slave kindly and justly.

i cannot hit him on the face, i must dress them in the same standard of clothes i wear, feed him the same food, give him a bed and room simular to my own, and work him no more than i work myself.

yes he is a slave as he is 'owned' and in this it is simular to the slavery of the west, but only in this respect, in everything else it is totally different, subhanallah even if i hit a slave unjustly they have a right of complaint to the qadi (islamic judge) who if they feel it was unjust can order their freedom.

now you may or may not agree with the principle of slavery but it is part of the deen of islam which i accept absolutely as it is from the Quran and Sunnah and therefore no muslim if he / she understands it is from the Quran and Sunnah should question this.
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Doesn't the Qur'an imply that the most rightous thing to do is free the slave, but if you cannot then at the minimum you must treat him like your brother?

I was wondering if you could clear up concubinage in Islam for me? Is it allowed? Is the owner of a female slave allowed to force himself sexually upon here even if she is not a Muslim female slave?

I know that's often a polemic against Islam but I'm not trying to entrap you or anything, I just want to know your understanding of it.
 
wth1257 said:
Doesn't the Qur'an imply that the most rightous thing to do is free the slave, but if you cannot then at the minimum you must treat him like your brother?

I was wondering if you could clear up concubinage in Islam for me? Is it allowed? Is the owner of a female slave allowed to force himself sexually upon here even if she is not a Muslim female slave?

I know that's often a polemic against Islam but I'm not trying to entrap you or anything, I just want to know your understanding of it.
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it is a righteous act to free a slave, yes. but it is not quite how you put it, it is a righteous act but it is not wrong to keep a slave. slight difference but the difference is there.

regarding female slaves, as i understand it they cannot be forced as that would imply unjust violence but there are other opinions regarding this.

as i understand it it is like a man's wife cannot be forced, but she is sinful for refusing (as would the husband be if he refused his wife).
 
Dawud_uk said:
it is a righteous act to free a slave, yes. but it is not quite how you put it, it is a righteous act but it is not wrong to keep a slave. slight difference but the difference is there.
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Right, sorry.

regarding female slaves, as i understand it they cannot be forced as that would imply unjust violence but there are other opinions regarding this.

as i understand it it is like a man's wife cannot be forced, but she is sinful for refusing (as would the husband be if he refused his wife).
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Is it always a sin for her to refuse? What if she were sick or something along those lines?
 
I agree that islamic slavery is far different, it is much like a penal system, difference in slavery in Islam, is the slave often brings it upon himself by acts, not forced so to speak. If everyone lives their life accordingly, there would be no slaves, just like if everyone abids the law, we would have no prisons.
 
hopeful19 said:
I agree that islamic slavery is far different, it is much like a penal system, difference in slavery in Islam, is the slave often brings it upon himself by acts, not forced so to speak. If everyone lives their life accordingly, there would be no slaves, just like if everyone abids the law, we would have no prisons.
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Children of slaves are also slaves and prisoners of war can be made slaves, regardless of whether they had a choice to wage war against Muslims or not. I'm not sure about the last bit though.
 
Dawud_uk said:
it is a righteous act to free a slave, yes. but it is not quite how you put it, it is a righteous act but it is not wrong to keep a slave. slight difference but the difference is there.

regarding female slaves, as i understand it they cannot be forced as that would imply unjust violence but there are other opinions regarding this.

as i understand it it is like a man's wife cannot be forced, but she is sinful for refusing (as would the husband be if he refused his wife).
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brother regarding the female slaves even if they dont want to sleep with their master they have to rember they were taken as capitive so they have a choise of haveing their heads cut of or be the masters sex slave
 

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