Transhumanism a religion?

[Muezzin]

Resorting to immortality? if one could resort to immortality to cure cancer Im sure One would do it, It would be highly immoral to refuse progress to cure something as deadly as cancer because of some Ethical Doctrine saying its ''cheating'' etc.

Do you have a problem with ethics?

We ought to use every tool we can to embetter the human race is waht I say.

How glad I am the decision is not yours to make.

You're seeing the cars. I'm seeing the traffic jams.

 

[memories]

Do you have a problem with ethics?

Why in the world did my answer made you think I have a problem with ethics??

I just stated that an ethical doctrine wich is in other words a religion of any kind that would prevent such breaktroughs on the basis of what this ethical doctrine/religion teatches/preaches would be downright stupid! especially on the basis of curing cancer.

we are to use every means necessary in order to achive a greater good.

 

['Abd-al Latif]

But, as human beings dont we deserve something better? to live forever immortality on earth? think about the technological progresses that could be accomplished with such humans! Think about the achivements!

Im sure no one here would turn down this offer. what would be the need of a god?

This worldly life is a prison for the believer, and paradise for the non-muslim. I never want to live immortal on earth. I want to dwell in Allah's Paradise and have the Throne of the Most Merciful above me. I want my face to be radient on the day when mankind is ressurected after we have become dust in the earth. I want to live where the ground and its soil is of musk and saffron. Where its rocks are pearls and jewels. Its buildings that are made of bricks of gold and silver. And trees whose trunk is made of gold and silver. I want Paradise, that which no eye has seen and no ear has heard, far more then technology can ever do!


Some faces, that Day, will beam (in brightness and beauty);- , Looking towards their Lord; ... [Surah Qiyama 75:22-23]

 

[memories]

This worldly life is a prison for the believer, and paradise for the non-muslim. I never want to live immortal on earth. I want to dwell in Allah's Paradise and have the Throne of the Most Merciful above me. I want my face to be radient on the day when mankind is ressurected after we have become dust in the earth. I want to live where the ground and its soil is of musk and saffron. Where its rocks are pearls and jewels. Its buildings that are made of bricks of gold and silver. And trees whose trunk is made of gold and silver. I want Paradise, that which no eye has seen and no ear has head, far more then technology can ever do!


Some faces, that Day, will beam (in brightness and beauty);- , Looking towards their Lord; ... [Surah Qiyama 75:22-23]

What you have said here is very beautifull, it touched me (really) for some reason I feel depressed by what was written here... I really wish with all my heart for you to be right!

 

[Muezzin]

Why in the world did my answer made you think I have a problem with ethics??

Just asking.

I just stated that an ethical doctrine wich is in other words a religion of any kind that would prevent such breaktroughs on the basis of what this ethical doctrine/religion teatches/preaches would be downright stupid! especially on the basis of curing cancer.

Do you really think immortality is the only possible cure for cancer?

we are to use every means necessary in order to achive a greater good.

The ends don't always justify the means.

I am convinced that immortality would be abused. It wouldn't magically make everyone a constructive, positive member of society who wants to aid scientific discovery. As I said before: You think immortality is going to make everyone play nice? You think everyone will just pull together to further scientific achievement? You think people are going to stop hurting or robbing or raping or traumatising or stigmatising others?

Were immortality possible, it would at first only be administered to certain individuals. Who, then, would decide who could become immortal or not? People would kill others for that power. And ultimately, the Haves and the Have Nots would become the Immortals and the Mortals.

Is that the kind of society humanity wants to become?

 

[memories]

You miss the entire point.

''Do you really think immortality is the only possible cure for cancer?''

I said if it was/would allow to find a potential cure for cancer than I would have no problem with it.

the rest of your answer is made of ''what if's'' and ''but's'' stop being so negative, if someone would offer me eternal life I would take it, because I like this life on earth.
some would say that this would not allow me to never see god, well, when even stars die and atoms have a life span I awnser that eventually I would meet him, but not yet.

 

[Muezzin]

You miss the entire point.

''Do you really think immortality is the only possible cure for cancer?''

I said if it was/would allow to find a potential cure for cancer than I would have no problem with it.

Okay.

the rest of your answer is made of ''what if's''

Your first post is a big 'what if'.

and ''but's'' stop being so negative,

If you don't want others' opinions, you shouldn't have asked for them in your first post.

if someone would offer me eternal life I would take it, because I like this life on earth.

Seriously? Just, 'Okey-dokey, Doctor Jones!' No questions? No thinking-through?

some would say that this would not allow me to never see god, well, when even stars die and atoms have a life span I awnser that eventually I would meet him, but not yet.

Then immortality as a practical matter is impossible.

 

[memories]

Il cut this out: ''Your first post is a big 'what if'.If you don't want others' opinions, you shouldn't have asked for them in your first post.Seriously? Just, 'Okey-dokey, Doctor Jones!' No questions? No thinking-through?''

and just answer on the things you said that are a propos and are on topic

Then immortality as a practical matter is impossible.

Yes practically speaking immortality is impossible, but a lil more time can do no harm

Regards

 

[Muezzin]

Il cut this out: ''Your first post is a big 'what if'.If you don't want others' opinions, you shouldn't have asked for them in your first post.Seriously? Just, 'Okey-dokey, Doctor Jones!' No questions? No thinking-through?''

and just answer on the things you said that are a propos and are on topic

Off-topic? I was replying to your posts. You wanted opinions on immortality, right?

Either way, nice dodge.

Yes practically speaking immortality is impossible, but a lil more time can do no harm

I don't follow.

 

[memories]

Nice points of view here, I like the one that states that this would make us loose our humanity.(credit to aamirsaab) but when you look at wars,holocaust, fanaticism and al the ugly things in human nature, would that not be what we want? what every body wants? getting rid ourselves of the uguly by means of science and keeping the beautifull and by the way improoving human condition no mater how altered the human nature would be?

 

[AntiKarateKid]

The claim that "super advanced science" would make religion useless is based upon a flawed and incomplete understanding of Allah's OMNIPOTENCE and paradise.

Did we stop and think that without his permission, these scientists would never get their ideas or be able to perform their experiments in the first place?

Did you think that the creator of the heavens and earth would be rendered null by making people more resistant to disease or having longer lifespans?

Did you ever read the descriptions of paradise which describe it as beyond our comprehension? While earth is very much able to be comprehended.

Anyone who for a moment believes this trash is just as much a fool as those scientologists and UFO worshippers.

A prerequisite for taking this topic seriously is ignorance of the Islamic concepts of Allah and paradise.

 

[memories]

The claim that "super advanced science" would make religion useless is based upon a flawed and incomplete understanding of Allah's OMNIPOTENCE and paradise.

Did we stop and think that without his permission, these scientists would never get their ideas or be able to perform their experiments in the first place?

Did you think that the creator of the heavens and earth would be rendered null by making people more resistant to disease or having longer lifespans?

Did you never read the descriptions of paradise which are beyond our comprehension?

Anyone who for a moment believes this trash is just as much a fool as those scientologists and UFO worshippers.

A prerequisite for taking this topic seriously is ignorance of the Islamic concepts of Allah and paradise.

ok I hear your point, regardless, is that what we need, should we quake in that direction? to improove mankind and live like the stars, by stars I mean the sun etc, not brittney spears.What should we awnser to someone who would offer this to mankind? yes or no, that is the question.(lets not go in the how, but the if and the why)
regards

 

[AntiKarateKid]

ok I hear your point, regardless, is that what we need, should we quake in that direction? to improove mankind and live like the stars, by stars I mean the sun etc, not brittney spears.What should we awnser to someone who would offer this to mankind? yes or no, that is the question.(lets not go in the how, but the if and the why)
regards

You're rhetoric is really vague. Perhaps if you defined what "live like the stars" meant this would go somewhere. All I have heard so far is disease resistance and longer life.

It is not for man to make his own destiny. Instead Allah offers him choices of destiny and he, through his actions, picks one.

All in all, given a choice, I'd take heaven over waiting on scientists to eventually make me live longer. One is guaranteed happiness, the other is uncertainty. One is infinity, the other is again uncertainty.

 

[memories]

You're rhetoric is really vague. Perhaps if you defined what "live like the stars" meant this would go somewhere. All I have heard so far is disease resistance and longer life.

It is not for man to make his own destiny. Instead Allah offers him choices of destiny and he, through his actions, picks one.

fine let me put it this way.
is the folowing what mankind needs, and would it be good for mankind, is what the topic is about.

Assalamu Alaikum

Transhumanism is an international intellectual and cultural movement supporting the use of science and technology to improve human mental and physical characteristics and capacities. The movement regards aspects of the human condition, such as disability, suffering, disease, aging, and involuntary death as unnecessary and undesirable. Transhumanists look to biotechnologies and other emerging technologies for these purposes. Dangers, as well as benefits, are also of concern to the transhumanist movement.[1]

The term "transhumanism" is symbolized by H+ or h+ and is often used as a synonym for "human enhancement".[2] Although the first known use of the term dates from 1957, the contemporary meaning is a product of the 1980s when futurists in the United States began to organize what has since grown into the transhumanist movement. Transhumanist thinkers predict that human beings may eventually be able to transform themselves into beings with such greatly expanded abilities as to merit the label "posthuman".[1] Transhumanism is therefore sometimes referred to as "posthumanism" or a form of transformational activism influenced by posthumanist ideals

 

[AntiKarateKid]

fine let me put it this way.
is the folowing what mankind needs, and would it be good for mankind, is what the topic is about.

Assalamu Alaikum

Transhumanism is an international intellectual and cultural movement supporting the use of science and technology to improve human mental and physical characteristics and capacities. The movement regards aspects of the human condition, such as disability, suffering, disease, aging, and involuntary death as unnecessary and undesirable. Transhumanists look to biotechnologies and other emerging technologies for these purposes. Dangers, as well as benefits, are also of concern to the transhumanist movement.[1]

The term "transhumanism" is symbolized by H+ or h+ and is often used as a synonym for "human enhancement".[2] Although the first known use of the term dates from 1957, the contemporary meaning is a product of the 1980s when futurists in the United States began to organize what has since grown into the transhumanist movement. Transhumanist thinkers predict that human beings may eventually be able to transform themselves into beings with such greatly expanded abilities as to merit the label "posthuman".[1] Transhumanism is therefore sometimes referred to as "posthumanism" or a form of transformational activism influenced by posthumanist ideals

The simple point is that limited creatures can't have unlimited power. No matter how great our science, we will be limited by ourselves and will forever be in a struggle to try and lessen limitedness. Think about it this way, raise any number to the negative power of infinity. No matter how small it gets it will never ever be zero.

An unlimited being has unlimited power and it is folly to assume that we can outdo it.

 

[memories]

its not if its possible the question, it is if its what we should want to have or not. I heard some interesting comments on this in this tread.

 

[AntiKarateKid]

its not if its possible the question, it is if its what we should want to have or not. I heard some interesting comments on this in this tread.

How can we make a judgement on something that is impossible by it's nature? I suppose next we'll be discussing two sided triangles too?

Allah will always be greater. Allah will always offer us something greater.

The simple answer then is no. If we think that we can make ourself without need for Allah, then we will be destroyed for our evil just as the people before us were.

Take example from the perished nations before you.

The 'Ad (people) rejected the messengers. Behold, their brother Hud said to them: "Will ye not fear (Allah)? I am to you a messenger worthy of all trust: So fear Allah and obey me. No reward do I ask of you for it: my reward is only from the Lord of the Worlds. Do ye build a landmark on every high place to amuse yourselves? And do ye get for yourselves fine buildings in the hope of living therein (for ever)? And when ye exert your strong hand, do ye do it like men of absolute power? Now fear Allah, and obey me. Yea, fear Him Who has bestowed on you freely all that ye know. Freely has He bestowed on you cattle and sons, And Gardens and Springs. Truly I fear for you the Penalty of a Great Day."

 

[alcurad]

most religion will be gone after a certain amount of scientific and technological advancement, and humans probably will be able to overcome most ailments+aging, it's inevitable, but I'd not call it a religion.

our biological bodies are the reason we have diseases and aging, changing their composition to overcome such issues is not going to be easy, but so was reaching the moon. with the rate of technological advancement we have now it's only a matter of decades given enough political backing and resources.

most people are not aware of such,since the potential for such knowledge/technology is simply beyond their imagination, but that never stopped the flow of history.

as muslims, there is a narration from the prophet which states:
في صحيح مسلم عن عبد الرحمن بن شماسة المهري قال : كنت عند مسلمة بن مخلد وعنده عبد الله بن عمرو بن العاص فقال عبد الله : لا تقوم الساعة إلا على شرار الخلق هم شر من أهل الجاهلية، لا يدعون الله بشيء إلا رده عليهم ، فبينما هم على ذلك أقبل عقبة بن عامر فقال له مسلمة : يا عقبة اسمع ما يقول عبد الله : فقال عقبة : هو أعلم، وأما أنا فسمعت رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم يقول : لا تزال عصابة من أمتي يقاتلون على أمر الله قاهرين لعدوهم لا يضرهم من خالفهم حتى تأتيهم الساعة وهم على ذلك . فقال عبد الله: أجل، ثم يبعث الله ريحاً كريح المسك مسها مس الحرير فلا تترك نفساً في قلبه حبة من الإيمان إلا قبضته، ثم يبقى شرار الناس عليهم تقوم الساعة

and:
عَنْ عَبْد اللَّهِ بْنِ عَمْرٍو رضي الله عنهما قَالَ : قَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ : يَخْرُجُ الدَّجَّالُ فِي أُمَّتِي فَيَمْكُثُ أَرْبَعِينَ ، فَيَبْعَثُ اللَّهُ عِيسَى ابْنَ مَرْيَمَ كَأَنَّهُ عُرْوَةُ بْنُ مَسْعُودٍ فَيَطْلُبُهُ فَيُهْلِكُهُ ، ثُمَّ يَمْكُثُ النَّاسُ سَبْعَ سِنِينَ لَيْسَ بَيْنَ اثْنَيْنِ عَدَاوَةٌ ، ثُمَّ يُرْسِلُ اللَّهُ رِيحًا بَارِدَةً مِنْ قِبَلِ الشَّامِ فَلَا يَبْقَى عَلَى وَجْهِ الْأَرْضِ أَحَدٌ فِي قَلْبِهِ مِثْقَالُ ذَرَّةٍ مِنْ خَيْرٍ أَوْ إِيمَانٍ إِلَّا قَبَضَتْهُ ، حَتَّى لَوْ أَنَّ أَحَدَكُمْ دَخَلَ فِي كَبِدِ جَبَلٍ لَدَخَلَتْهُ عَلَيْهِ حَتَّى تَقْبِضَهُ ، قَالَ : فَيَبْقَى شِرَارُ النَّاسِ فِي خِفَّةِ الطَّيْرِ وَأَحْلَامِ السِّبَاعِ لَا يَعْرِفُونَ مَعْرُوفًا وَلَا يُنْكِرُونَ مُنْكَرًا فَيَتَمَثَّلُ لَهُمْ الشَّيْطَانُ فَيَقُولُ أَلَا تَسْتَجِيبُونَ ؟ فَيَقُولُونَ : فَمَا تَأْمُرُنَا ؟ فَيَأْمُرُهُمْ بِعِبَادَةِ الْأَوْثَانِ ، وَهُمْ فِي ذَلِكَ دَارٌّ رِزْقُهُمْ ، حَسَنٌ عَيْشُهُمْ ، ثُمَّ يُنْفَخُ فِي الصُّورِ

from which we can conclude that before the day of judgment, the majority of people remaining on earth would be the worst.

 

[AntiKarateKid]

One more thing, should transhumanism ever succeed it would be falling exactly into Allah's plan.

Then, when they forgot that whereof they had been reminded, We opened unto them the gates of all things till, even as they were rejoicing in that which they were given, We seized them unawares, and lo! they were dumbfounded.

So of the people who did wrong the last remnant was cut off. Praise be to Allah, Lord of the Worlds!

Quran 6:44-45

 

[Yanal]

You know wiki is made of people articles,who knows if those people are trying to make doubt,we all know Islam is the true religion so follow it!