Islam a political target in Norway

['Abd-al Latif]

1: your talking about old outdated science,
2: ''some blacks are muslim'' so??

Outdated Science? Such as a sperm drop clinging onto the womb of a woman that results in a child?

Or that the sea never mixes i.e. the sweet and salty water?

Or the orbit of the sun and the moon?

All of which was discovered not long ago yet the Qur'an said this over 1400 years ago? How could a man in the desert know this? A man who could not read nor right? Or are you talking about scientific theories?

The Qur'an is from Allah!

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VWDx73O-Q8[/media]

 

[memories]

Outdated Science? Such as a sperm drop clinging onto the womb of a woman that results in a child?

Or that the sea never mixes i.e. the sweet and salty water?

Or the orbit of the sun and the moon?

All of which was discovered not long ago yet the Qur'an said this over 1400 years ago? How could a man in the desert know this? A man who could not read nor right? Or are you talking about scientific theories?

The Qur'an is from Allah!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VWDx73O-Q8

What does this have to do with anything? I was talking science that recently negated the idea of ''races'' on the basis of genetics and physical antropology, the latter atribution of the concept ''race'' to human beings was made by ''outdated science''

I meant by that: science that was subjective rather than objective (on the basis of ethnocentrical beleifs)

for example: Freuds theory of psycanalysis can also be considered to some degree ''outdated science'' because it is tainted with sexism.

I dont know why I even took time to answer, with the high level of warning you gave me in the past few minutes you might as well edit the whole thing for something that pleases you.

Aleikum salam....

 

[جوري]

edit: OH FOR CRYING OUT LOUD! the sun has NO orbit!

It doesn't?
that is news, as is everything else worthless that you impart!

The Sun's orbit around the Galaxy is expected to be roughly elliptical with the addition of perturbations due to the galactic spiral arms and non-uniform mass distributions. In addition, the Sun oscillates up and down relative to the galactic plane approximately 2.7 times per orbit. This is very similar to how a simple harmonic oscillator works with no drag force (damping) term. These oscillations often coincide with mass extinction periods on Earth; presumably the higher density of stars close to the galactic plane leads to more impact events.[36]
It takes the Solar System about 225–250 million years to complete one orbit of the galaxy (a galactic year),[37] so it is thought to have completed 20–25 orbits during the lifetime of the Sun and 1/1250 of a revolution since the origin of humans. The orbital speed of the Solar System about the center of the Galaxy is approximately 220 km/s. At this speed, it takes around 1,400 years for the Solar System to travel a distance of 1 light-year, or 8 days to travel 1 AU (astronomical unit).[38]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milky_Way

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0712/solarcycle_soho_big.jpg

you are very under-educated all around (science, theology, philosophy) -- why you insist of embarrassing yourself is beyond me?

all the best

 

[Pomak]

It does if the children feel more connected to the culture of their parents than the culture of their country.

You mean white the white population of North America who feel more in touch with the culture of their forefathers than that of the rightful owners of the land? (Native Americans)

1: your talking about old outdated science,
2: ''some blacks are muslim'' so??

When someone gives you a cure that poisons you and then gives you another cure that cures the poison he gave you in the first place, i question the value of that person.

 

[Muhajabah]

I say in Rome you must act like the Romans, i mean that when your immigrating to a contry you can keep your beliefs and traditions, but it must not bother the other persons there with different beliefs.All and all they norway should respect Islam, and not prejudice against it.

More than 2000 muslims here in Norway did NOT immigrate here, we are NORWEGIANS just like any other. Can we be muslims then and keep our believes?

 

[Whatsthepoint]

You mean white the white population of North America who feel more in touch with the culture of their forefathers than that of the rightful owners of the land? (Native Americans)

No I'm not. No matter what happened in the past the descendants of European settlers are a majority today and they have the right to preserve their nation, if they want of course.
Europeans as well. Arabs in arab lands. &c

 

[Whatsthepoint]

More than 2000 muslims here in Norway did NOT immigrate here, we are NORWEGIANS just like any other. Can we be muslims then and keep our believes?

Of course.

 

[Muhajabah]

Oh gee... thanx a lot, thats big of you.

Sad my kids cant then, they were born muslims, and two of them are not pure, ethnic white Norwegians.

 

[Whatsthepoint]

Oh gee... thanx a lot, thats big of you.

Sad my kids cant then, they were born muslims, and two of them are not pure, ethnic white Norwegians.

That completely depends on what their views are. even you as a native can be sonsidered hsotile to Norway based on your views, communists were and still are considered hostile and foreign no matter what their lineage is, so are certain Muslims, converts or not. Dawud UK is an example of a convert I would give governmental funds in order to emigrate as quickly as possible.

 

[Hamayun]

That completely depends on what their views are. even you as a native can be sonsidered hsotile to Norway based on your views, communists were and still are considered hostile and foreign no matter what their lineage is, so are certain Muslims, converts or not. Dawud UK is an example of a convert I would give governmental funds in order to emigrate as quickly as possible.

Thank God we have an impartial person like you to judge who should stay and who should go. :rollseyes

Just need more people to think like you and the world would be so much better.

Thank you O gracious one...

 

[memories]

The Point being that any individual whos views are hostile and are directed in an objective to destroy a said culture is a menace, regardless of his or her origins, its the ideology that is of importance here.

Thank God we have an impartial person like you to judge who should stay and who should go. :rollseyes

Just need more people to think like you and the world would be so much better.

Thank you O gracious one...

Indeed Im glad you agree.

 

[Hamayun]

Indeed Im glad you agree.

Its called sarcasm...

 

[memories]

When someone gives you a cure that poisons you and then gives you another cure that cures the poison he gave you in the first place, i question the value of that person.

Is this questionning the Validity of science? Science like all things evolves. its not ''poison''.

 

[جوري]

Where was this 'science' when you informed us with swaggering bravado that the sun has no orbit?

all the best

 

[Pomak]

Is this questionning the Validity of science? Science like all things evolves. its not ''poison''.

The idea of race and more importantly the study of race was a product of Western European "science". Considering the affect this idea had on different ethnic/race groups, i would say poison is exactly the right word to use.

 

[Muhajabah]

Well, to the topic of islam being a political target in Norway... Today it was decided that it will be an attempt to "burn the Quran" by a right-wing party who is participating in this years election.

We will see who burns after

 

[Muhajabah]

That completely depends on what their views are. even you as a native can be sonsidered hsotile to Norway based on your views, communists were and still are considered hostile and foreign no matter what their lineage is, so are certain Muslims, converts or not. Dawud UK is an example of a convert I would give governmental funds in order to emigrate as quickly as possible.

How can i be hostile to my own country?

People always jump to conclutions, and keep thinking the worst when it comes to muslims. :raging:

 

[Amadeus85]

The problem is that Islam always saw christian Europe as an enemy and future prey. We cant forget that Islam is in fact a supermacist political system/religion/law which even muslims admit and Europe with catholic Rome is muslim's eternal goal to conquere. There are verses in Quaran about future muslims' fight for Rome and you people cant blame us that we simply want to defend what is ours and what is valuable for us. We must never forget this when we talk about multiculturalism and muslim immigration.

 

[memories]

Their is no way of life I prefer the most than the one you call ''orientalist'' or western, Its values of freedom of speach, equality and tolerance are simply beautifull and It would simply hurt me to see a Doctrine that has vowed by all means to destroy this way of life gain political power,

I noticed many people posting here are either from the US or Great Britan and quick to point out injustices that have happened at Guantanamo-Bay, but go pass a night in an Iranian,syrian,Egyptian prison or one of Saddams ex prisons and you'l consider gitmo heaven on earth!:happy::happy:

And heres just a sample of what can be accomplished in the name of this doctrine: A few years ago a contry published caricatures of the prophet, and many countrys went mad, burning the embassys of that country and rioting... that gives a good indicator of the tolerance..

And in a very polite and unmenacing manor I will say this: If you are not satisfied by the way things are run in your country and judge it incompatible/offensive to islam then leave! pack your stuff and leave for Iran, or some other place... I heard the whole place has a theocratic constitution youl be happier there .


Regards

 

[جوري]

The problem is that Islam always saw christian Europe as an enemy and future prey. We cant forget that Islam is in fact a supermacist political system/religion/law which even muslims admit and Europe with catholic Rome is muslim's eternal goal to conquere. There are verses in Quaran about future muslims' fight for Rome and you people cant blame us that we simply want to defend what is ours and what is valuable for us. We must never forget this when we talk about multiculturalism and muslim immigration.

Actually, you have gotten it completely in reverse.. and there was a thread rather similar to this one (where I had covered most of these points) already but given that each country in Europe is suddenly after its identity.. something it failed to consider under two circumstances.

1- its massive imperialism of sovereign empires and I am certainly not simply speaking of dismantling the Muslim empires, but a brief history, on Hong Kong, China, India, Africa and middle east.. certainly when you claim things for the conquering states it comes with a price and that being its citizens are now your own.. (something to consider) when incessantly injecting into histories and for ages that possessing pillaging and and recessive traits it somehow superior.

2- Islamic conquests were not simply peaceful but also respectful to human dignity and any regular history book will tell you just that in spite of recent efforts to cast doubt over that period.. the good thing about history, is that it is a done deal.. You can look at the Iberian peninsula pre and after Islamic conquest to see exactly what took place and to modern day seville and Muslim spain makes more money from its Islamic monuments than Egypt does of its pharonic ones..

since the dawn of Islam it has been made target by orientalist and I have written a piece to that extent yesterday on another thread, I'll part with it here:

All orientalist scholarship is built on the premise of the more enlightened outsider being free of bias, but has western Judeo-Christian tradition ever allowed room for supposed objectivity? Where are these Jewels of wise discourse in the subjective and vulgar catalog of historic western writing? Vulgar, I say, because anyone can compare the reverence with which Muslim scholars treat Jesus, the virgin Mary, Moses, Aaron, Issac, Abraham, Solomon, lot etc to the crude wrathful rantings of Jews against christians, or christians against jews, of catholics against protestants, and of ancient Romans against everyone. Adrian Reeland, professor of the Oriental Tongues at the University of Utrecht, who in 1705 composed a unique work in latin, subsequently translated and published in london under the title, Four treasties concerning the doctrine, Discipline and worship of the Mahometans (1712) (for full text pls see title pages 5-6)

The Revisionist school insisting that no Muslim document bears any semblance of truth unless other, non_muslim accounts provides verification (see Yehuda Nevo's definition of revisionism pp 7-8) Given how maliciously Christians and Jews have lashed out against Muslims from the very dawn of Islam, what hope can we possibly have of priests and rabbis 'verifying' Mslim accounts, attesting to the accomplishment of their bitterest rivals with objectivity? Under no condition do western scholars validate the indoctrinate abuse what christians and Jews hurled against each other, each group barricades by its own ignorance and superstition ( see example the apologist attitude inherent in the articles of both Joseph Blenkinsopp and Baraclay Newman [bible review, oct 1996 pp 42-43] so then on what grounds in their inordinate abuse against Muslims, hatched of the selfsame ignorance and superstition can be accepted as now truth?
Here are a few charges levelled against Muslims 17th and 18thc western scholars writing in latin that the Muslims worship Venus (2) and worship created beings, (3) and sins taken away by frequent washing.. etc

Orientalist motivation: a study of subjectivity pp327-329) Dr. Al-Azami __________________

so the bottom line is not a Muslim pre-occupation of Europe, rather a European paraonia of what Islam means and actually is!


all the best