Muslims urged to vote to keep out extremist parties

[Zafran]

Salaam

Muslims get killed and persected all over the place - typical BNP giving a oneside argument

peace.

 

[Whatsthepoint]

I haven't exactly studied their policies in detail but I don't have any particular objections from a Muslim point of view. I don't know whether independence from the European union is the best way forward for the UK. Obviously, that would cut off the open-door immigration policy that is currently in place which could be a good thing. Because of their immigration stance, they are probably a good alternative to people who can't bring themselves to vote BNP. Anyway, if you're asking me as a Muslim then I don't specifically object to them since I don't see them as an anti-Muslim party.

I just prefer the original arabic spelling as opposed the the Turkish version.

But in case you're interested, some nicknames given to me by Non-Muslim friends include Ozzy, Ozzinator and Osmosis.

I'm gonna call you Ozzy!

 

[Whatsthepoint]

1) The BNP are blatantly anti-Islamic: ''we don't want islam to become a dominating religion within our land'' ---> Horsecrap; you cannot stop that (unless you partake in the fun-for-all-ages that is genocide).

You can limit immigration and encourage relocation.

 

[aamirsaab]

You can limit immigration and encourage relocation.

Limit immigration isn't going to stop Uk-born muslims from having lots of babies.
Encourage relocation...well, if they are offering to foot the bill then I won't say no, but I will be expecting something grand. Like 8.9 billion in sterling. *insert evil and/or psychotic laughter here*

In any case, their overall goal is still blatant discriminatory and they are not getting my vote.

 

[Whatsthepoint]

Limit immigration isn't going to stop Uk-born muslims from having lots of babies.
Encourage relocation...well, if they are offering to foot the bill then I won't say no, but I will be expecting something grand. Like 8.9 billion in sterling. *insert evil and/or psychotic laughter here*

In any case, their overall goal is still blatant discriminatory and they are not getting my vote.

We can solve that but makinf 2 babies the only affordable option for a averaage couple, thus preserving the british nation as well as keeping minorities at their curent percentage.
Besides financing hijras and that, they also want to cut foreign aid to every country except those accepting british immigrants.
You're right though. vote the UKIP instead!

 

[Amadeus85]

the UK is a democracy and would allow for that eventuality. Don't blame muzzies for using the system. Additionally, most muslim countries are Theistic and thus WOULDN'T allow for the eventuality of another theological regime other than the present one. In which case the argument falls to pieces.

2) England is NOT a Christian country. It is a secular democracy. The BNP are making an apples vs orange argument.

That only proves my latest observations that we would have to change the political system in future , because democracy doesnt give the guarantee of the eternal existance of christian civilization in Europe. Unlike monarchy or christian dictatorship ala Franco or Salazar. I think that in about year 2030 Europeans will notice the dangers of democracy nowadays and they would prefer to sacrifice democratic system and choose a system that will guarantee order,tradition and our culture.

 

[KAding]

That only proves my latest observations that we would have to change the political system in future , because democracy doesnt give the guarantee of the eternal existance of christian civilization in Europe. Unlike monarchy or christian dictatorship ala Franco or Salazar. I think that in about year 2030 Europeans will notice the dangers of democracy nowadays and they would prefer to sacrifice democratic system and choose a system that will guarantee order,tradition and our culture.

What alternative to liberal democracy are you proposing exactly hew. And with 'our culture' are you speaking about the majority 'non-believing' culture or the minority 'practicing Christian' culture?

 

[جوري]

Ghettos and camps on the outskirts..
what else is there of course?

all the best

 

[doorster]

Originally Posted by Amadeus85
That only proves my latest observations that we would have to change the political system in future , because democracy doesnt give the guarantee of the eternal existance of christian civilization in Europe. Unlike monarchy or christian dictatorship ala Franco or Salazar. I think that in about year 2030 Europeans will notice the dangers of democracy nowadays and they would prefer to sacrifice democratic system and choose a system that will guarantee order,tradition and our culture.

What alternative to liberal democracy are you proposing exactly

. And with 'our culture' are you speaking about the majority 'non-believing' culture or the minority 'practicing Christian' culture?

"monarchy or christian dictatorship ala Franco or Salazar"

 

[doorster]

Ghettos and camps on the outskirts..
what else is there of course?

all the best

No, Impractical

Ghettos and camps in the inner cities so that they can be walled in Gazza style

 

[Zafran]

What alternative to liberal democracy are you proposing exactly hew. And with 'our culture' are you speaking about the majority 'non-believing' culture or the minority 'practicing Christian' culture?

Yes well said it is worry people think like thathew

 

[Zafran]

Franco is that the same guy who allied with Hitler during the civil war and then treid to wipe out the Islamic heritage of Spain. Very Intresting.

 

[KAding]

"monarchy or christian dictatorship ala Franco or Salazar"

Personally I think he is leaning towards some kind of illiberal system, where it becomes illegal for Muslims to build mosques, for them to proselytize openly, for people to convert away from 'official' religion, etc...

But to get there he'll have to abolish liberal democracy, in other words our fundamental rights and voting.

 

[جوري]

Personally I think he is leaning towards some kind of illiberal system, where it becomes illegal for Muslims to build mosques, for them to proselytize openly, for people to convert away from 'official' religion, etc...

But to get there he'll have to abolish liberal democracy, in other words our fundamental rights and voting.

It is very difficult for Muslims to convert anyone, especially during these times.. people who convert do so on their own accord.. Islam and Muslims has become synonymous with terrorism.. thus I don't see how that would fix the problem..

secondly you don't need a mosque for any of your prayers, you can have a mosque even in someone's house, so again I fail to see how that will fix the problem?..

in order for Europe to be what it wants to be homogeneous, christian etc, they will actually have to adopt Islamic ideals in order to do so..
and you are right, all those things that Muslims are mocked for would be exactly the sort of things adopted..

No alcohol, no porn, no homosexuality, no apostasy, yes to marriage and children etc..
Europe should forgo the circuitous route and adopted Islamic ideals from the get go then?

all the best

 

[Zafran]

salaam

Pure irony realy.

 

[Whatsthepoint]

It is very difficult for Muslims to convert anyone, especially during these times.. people who convert do so on their own accord.. Islam and Muslims has become synonymous with terrorism.. thus I don't see how that would fix the problem..

secondly you don't need a mosque for any of your prayers, you can have a mosque even in someone's house, so again I fail to see how that will fix the problem?..

in order for Europe to be what it wants to be homogeneous, christian etc, they will actually have to adopt Islamic ideals in order to do so..
and you are right, all those things that Muslims are mocked for would be exactly the sort of things adopted..

No alcohol, no porn, no homosexuality, no apostasy, yes to marriage and children etc..
Europe should forgo the circuitous route and adopted Islamic ideals from the get go then?

all the best

This was the European ideal for 2 millenia, we have been on the 'hedonistic route' for the past few decades.

 

[جوري]

and hedonism isn't working is it-- and Christianity wasn't working either for entirely different reasoning.. they figured this is better, but it is only superficially better..

I love an Italian belvedere or in the south of france and good times as much as the next guy, but one week a year is different than all year round.
Life isn't paradise.. Europeans after a Homogeneous identity need a major shift their priorities

 

[Whatsthepoint]

and hedonism isn't working is it-- and Christianity wasn't working either for entirely different reasoning.. they figured this is better, but it is only superficially better..

I love an Italian belvedere or in the south of france and good times as much as the next guy, but one week a year is different than all year round.
Life isn't paradise.. Europeans after a Homogeneous identity need a major shift their priorities

Why wasn't Christianity working?

 

[جوري]

Why wasn't Christianity working?

You have to think about that one a little..

same for Judaism by the way

for instance, why would a Muslim population less than 20 yrs old have vast empires extending from the far east to the Iberian peninsula, while a Jewish population walking along side their messenger get lost in the desert for forty years?.. we are not even talking empires, we are talking about a few miles stretch of land.

To answer your question it will have to border on something that you don't believe in, and I don't want to turn world affairs into a comparative religion.

all the best

 

[Amadeus85]

What alternative to liberal democracy are you proposing exactly hew. And with 'our culture' are you speaking about the majority 'non-believing' culture or the minority 'practicing Christian' culture?

You are talking about something that is present and Im talking about something that belongs to eternity. You worry about Your country as much as Your life is going on there, and I think what my country will be in next 300 years.