Barack Obama will pledge to heal rift with Islam

[salafy_masry]

Remarks of President Barack Obama
June 4, 2009
Cairo University​

America's strong bonds with Israel are well known. This bond is unbreakable. It is based upon cultural and historical ties, and the recognition that the aspiration for a Jewish homeland is rooted in a tragic history that cannot be denied.

Palestinians must abandon violence. Resistance through violence and killing is wrong and it does not succeed. For centuries, black people in America suffered the lash of the whip as slaves and the humiliation of segregation. But it was not violence that won full and equal rights. It was a peaceful and determined insistence upon the ideals at the center of America's founding. This same story can be told by people from South Africa to South Asia; from Eastern Europe to Indonesia. It's a story with a simple truth: that violence is a dead end. It is a sign neither of courage nor power to shoot rockets at sleeping children, or to blow up old women on a bus. That's not how moral authority is claimed; that's how it is surrendered.

So muslims see a man that see's that an INVADER ( Israel ) has the right to OWN ( Palestine ) what they do NOT have the right to OWN is a good man ??

I am sure than any one in this forum who's country was invaded for 60 years would only see that freeing his country by any mean is legitimate.

And giving an example about what African Americans suffered is not valid by any means to be compared with Palestine .. Did the African American OWN the land and the white americans invade it ???

 

[Whatsthepoint]

What would a "tougher" stance be? The only leverage is foreign aid to Israel, which the U.S. Congress would never vote to end.

Well, you could start with less UN security counsil vetoes on resolutions about Israel. That would send a strong message.

 

[Pygoscelis]

I don't hold out much hope for this, because I am not convinced that either Israel or Palestine want peace. You can't help to negotiate peace when neither side wants it, no matter how good a diplomat you may be. Leadership in both Israel and the muslim world depend on this conflict for their power.

 

[Zafran]

Even restricting the comment to those who voted, that isn't actually true. In the first case Al Gore actually got more votes than Bush, they just happened to be in the wrong place.

lol I know that but Bush got in the second time or was that also a mistake....that seriously would explain alot.

 

[Banu_Hashim]

I guess firstly people should know better than judging an entire nation by the actions of one man (even if he is the President).

True, I agree. One should know better than to judge a people by actions of leaders. But, as President of the United States he or she is basically acting on behalf of the USA as a country. So they have a huge responsibility on their shoulders. Presidents say "my country believes this or that...", so they have to be very smart is what they say and how they say it. More importantly they have to be diplomatic in their actions towards everyone equally... skills former President Bush clearly lacked.

 

[Eric H]

Greetings and peace be with you salafy_masry;

And giving an example about what African Americans suffered is not valid by any means to be compared with Palestine .. Did the African American OWN the land and the white americans invade it ???

The British and American were possibly worse, they forced Africans out of their own country, and took them to America by force. Huge numbers died under horrible conditions in the slave ships that transported them to America.

So many people have suffered through the greed and stupidity of our fellow man, it seems we just keep compounding and adding to the mistakes and evils of history.

In the spirit of praying for justice for the poor and the oppressed, of all faiths and no faith.

Eric

 

[north_malaysian]

The British and American were possibly worse, they forced Africans out of their own country, and took them to America by force. Huge numbers died under horrible conditions in the slave ships that transported them to America.

But we should blame the African warlords too... they fought each other and sold the weak tribes to the europeans... they sold their own African brothers...

 

[north_malaysian]

salam alikum

إِنَّا أَرْسَلْنَاكَ بِالْحَقِّ بَشِيرًا وَنَذِيرًا ۖ وَلَا تُسْأَلُ عَنْ أَصْحَابِ الْجَحِيمِ (119)

وَلَنْ تَرْضَىٰ عَنْكَ الْيَهُودُ وَلَا النَّصَارَىٰ حَتَّىٰ تَتَّبِعَ مِلَّتَهُمْ ۗ قُلْ إِنَّ هُدَى اللَّهِ هُوَ الْهُدَىٰ ۗ وَلَئِنِ اتَّبَعْتَ أَهْوَاءَهُمْ بَعْدَ الَّذِي جَاءَكَ مِنَ الْعِلْمِ ۙ مَا لَكَ مِنَ اللَّهِ مِنْ وَلِيٍّ وَلَا نَصِيرٍ (120)

الَّذِينَ آتَيْنَاهُمُ الْكِتَابَ يَتْلُونَهُ حَقَّ تِلَاوَتِهِ أُولَٰئِكَ يُؤْمِنُونَ بِهِ ۗ وَمَنْ يَكْفُرْ بِهِ فَأُولَٰئِكَ هُمُ الْخَاسِرُونَ (121

هذه الآيات ما له علاقة لي ان خطابه كان ذلك رائعا؟

 

[Trumble]

lol I know that but Bush got in the second time or was that also a mistake....that seriously would explain alot.

It wasn't a 'mistake'; it was the way the US electoral system works and to my knowledge always has.

Bush got elected the second time because of a 'mistake', though. A mistake that ever since it happened has been called '9-11'.

 

[Clover]

It wasn't a 'mistake'; it was the way the US electoral system works and to my knowledge always has.

Bush got elected the second time because of a 'mistake', though. A mistake that ever since it happened has been called '9-11'.

I do not see how that is a mistake or a accident. It was a attack on America.

 

[salafy_masry]

Greetings and peace be with you salafy_masry;


The British and American were possibly worse, they forced Africans out of their own country, and took them to America by force. Huge numbers died under horrible conditions in the slave ships that transported them to America.

So many people have suffered through the greed and stupidity of our fellow man, it seems we just keep compounding and adding to the mistakes and evils of history.

In the spirit of praying for justice for the poor and the oppressed, of all faiths and no faith.

Eric

The two cases are different .. Palestinians are defending their land from foreign occupation since 1948 to free it .. the African Americans wanted to have rights.

 

[salafy_masry]

هذه الآيات ما له علاقة لي ان خطابه كان ذلك رائعا؟

It is 100% related ... it explains the condition we are in exactly .. we want the US to be pleased with us as muslims and show that they care and understand islam more than we do ... etc.

 

[ghengis]

dont fall into this guys sweet talk...

they probably want a break from attacking muslims cos they are gonna start a fight with the koreans... once they'v been nuked the war with islam will continue....

and what was that stuff about "its ok to let girls wear headscarfs but they need a right to an eductation"

rule 1:

islam study is education..... western schooling and indoctrination of western ideals is not helpful for any muslim .

 

[salafy_masry]

Thats one good comment I read about him

" To call it by its right name, what the more perceptive elements in the US ruling class fear is world revolution. The effort to prevent such a social upheaval is what impelled them to install Obama in the White House and what set him on his pilgrimage to Cairo. "

 

[ghengis]

.... they teach u rubbish in there so called education system!!

the greek gods.... the world war.... pearl harbour... totally (well not totally ) irrelevent.
muslims should get islamic education..... like the battle of badr, attributes of allah, etcetcetc...

a lesson on how the turkish ottoman empire was destroyed..
how umar ibn khattab was assassinated...
etcetcetc.

he wants everyone to have a so called western education.... which probably includes sex education at 5 yrs old just incase, to stop promiscuity in later years.

 

[ghengis]

.... look at the west,.... how many so called ladies walk around with there power walk and business suits...lol

gender is soon gonna be eradicated in the west.... they are gonna be asexuals!!

blokes wearing make up reading fhm... (10 top ways to please your woman)
and women reading the financial times, making deals.
blokes dieting.... ladies going on weekend business trips..

lol


gender in the west is a joke. the family unit in the west is a joke.
dont let them indoctrinate beautiful islam with their failing ideology....

a whole western pop culture directed completely at kids.... wat a joke. may god save islamic family values.

 

[ghengis]

muslims in the west

know more about the greek gods and how fantastic america saved the day in world war 2... just on time. wow.

muslim sisters in the middle east, believe me u donot want a western education. just be content with islam. please.... dont let there words get to you...

the feminin revolution is more of a "challenge to the male" , "women are just as good as men" "if a man can do it so can a woman" blah blah

we know u can do it sisters.... but u dont have to. we donot compete with each other in the ummah. we are one body.

compare the western ideology and doctrine "men are from venus and women are from mars"

with what allah says "a man is a garment to a woman and a woman is a garment to a man"

they base there education on a false premise.... to teach false destructive doctrines...

 

[Clover]

Greetings and peace be with you salafy_masry;


The British and American were possibly worse, they forced Africans out of their own country, and took them to America by force. Huge numbers died under horrible conditions in the slave ships that transported them to America.

So many people have suffered through the greed and stupidity of our fellow man, it seems we just keep compounding and adding to the mistakes and evils of history.

In the spirit of praying for justice for the poor and the oppressed, of all faiths and no faith.

Eric

lol, I think your mis-interpreting some historical events. Most slavers in Africa, were African tribal leaders, who owned slaves already from wars with other tribes. Many of them slave ship sailors were from Portugal/Spain, but a good amount were Americans. Americans didn't just land and kill the africans, if they had, they'd be mass-murdered cause Africans were very brutal in warfare, many of them landed, and bought them from Portugal/Spain slavers, or from African slavers themselves.

 

[Clover]

muslims in the west

know more about the greek gods and how fantastic america saved the day in world war 2... just on time. wow.

muslim sisters in the middle east, believe me u donot want a western education. just be content with islam. please.... dont let there words get to you...

the feminin revolution is more of a "challenge to the male" , "women are just as good as men" "if a man can do it so can a woman" blah blah

we know u can do it sisters.... but u dont have to. we donot compete with each other in the ummah. we are one body.

compare the western ideology and doctrine "men are from venus and women are from mars"

with what allah says "a man is a garment to a woman and a woman is a garment to a man"

they base there education on a false premise.... to teach false destructive doctrines...

Wow, thats completely not rude...

 

[ghengis]

men are from mars and women are from venus....
--a very destructive doctrine--- destroying the bond of man and woman.

your only young once so have a good time..... a very destructive doctrine.... i'd get drunk and impregnate her with that mindset too.

life is for the taking....

survival of the fittest....

he who dares wins....

...very competetive culture..., destructively so...."kill or be killed" not good for society at large and the family unit of man woman and children either...

...can u see the family splitting up with these foundational belief system flaws???

yep.


no offense. just external observer//..