Could you tell me why the Palestinians have to recognize the zionist state's right...

AvarAllahNoor said:
This is my take on it.

There are over 57 Islamic countries. Why can't you let the Jews have what belongs to them (in the sense this is the place of the Jews according to the Bible) also, many years ago they were banished from Palestine by the Palestinian Muslims. Now it's a reversal.
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Actually the Jews were rightfully expelled by the romans after they had revolted despite having enjoyed a high level of autonomy. That was 600 years before Muslims conquered the land.
 
ragdollcat1982 said:
I am a supporter of the two state solution . The Jews and Israel are a reality and they are not going anywhere. Both groups have a legitment claim to that land or parts thereof. The Jews through the Biblical promise and the Palestianians for living there for centuries.
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Sacred text should play no role in this. The state of Israel can only draw its legitimacy from Britain and other European powers that promised the land to them and playing a double card on both Jews and Arabs.
 
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Whatsthepoint said:
Sacred text should play no role in this. The state of Israel can only derive its legitimacy from Britain and other European powers that promised the land to them and playing a double card on both Jews and Arabs.
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Thanks

most people miss the last part when they talk about how modern Isreal got there.
 
Whatsthepoint said:
Actually the Jews were rightfully expelled by the romans after they had revolted despite having enjoyed a high level of autonomy. That was 600 years before Muslims conquered the land.
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Hmmm – I’m not saying you’re wrong but I am not sure if you are right. Yes they sacked Jerusalem, killed a lot of Jews and enslaved a few more but I am not sure if they expelled the general population. (Stand to be corrected)
 
Whatsthepoint said:
Yep. so who's fault is it? Jews, Brits, Arabs?
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the Colonial powers.

One of the most influential Zionist thinkers Theodor Herzl
even tried to take the land by promising to pay the Ottoman empires debt but Abdul Hamid the second refused.
 
Zafran said:
the Colonial powers.

One of the most influential Zionist thinkers Theodor Herzl
even tried to take the land by promising to pay the Ottoman empires debt but Abdul Hamid the second refused.
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what about Arabs who couldn't stand Jwish immigrants, performed violent attacks against them and even asked Hitler to build a camp there?
 
Thinker said:
Hmmm – I’m not saying you’re wrong but I am not sure if you are right. Yes they sacked Jerusalem, killed a lot of Jews and enslaved a few more but I am not sure if they expelled the general population. (Stand to be corrected)
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Apparently you are right so it's I who stands corrected.
 
Whatsthepoint said:
Actually the Jews were rightfully expelled by the romans after they had revolted despite having enjoyed a high level of autonomy. That was 600 years before Muslims conquered the land.
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But it was conquered? so now it's been conquered by Jews, and there is resentment. See the irony.
 
Just one question, why didn't the Jews ever get back at the "Germans" for the biggest atrocity ever committed against them?? Why no fuss about that? Not even Muslims committed such an act against the Jews. I smell a different agenda here.
 
Light of Heaven said:
Just one question, why didn't the Jews ever get back at the "Germans" for the biggest atrocity ever committed against them?? Why no fuss about that? Not even Muslims committed such an act against the Jews. I smell a different agenda here.
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Salaam

Because the Zionist were pushing for it for a long time - the whole point was to leave europe (due to the historcial pograms and sacpegoating) and create a jewish state where Jews will not be harrassed anymore - ofcourse - it didnt work

Traditional Jews were also against the whole idea of going back - because they believed they were in exile......until the messiah would come and invite them back to the holy Land.

peace
 
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Light of Heaven said:
Just one question, why didn't the Jews ever get back at the "Germans" for the biggest atrocity ever committed against them?? Why no fuss about that? Not even Muslims committed such an act against the Jews. I smell a different agenda here.
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they got billions of dollars from Germany but as Zafran said Zionism is much older than the holocaust.
 
Whatsthepoint said:
That's not true, only a handful are.
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They were historcally - the zionist movement was heavily backed by atheists - the traditionalists always believed that they had to wait for the messiah to take them there.

Right now there arnt that many traditional Jews left.
 
Zafran said:
They were historcally - the zionist movement was heavily backed by atheists - the traditionalists always believed that they had to wait for the messiah to take them there.

Right now there arnt that many traditional Jews left.
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Thats true, Herzl was an atheist.
How do you define traditional? Loonies with funny hats and beards represent 10% of the Israeli population.
 
Whatsthepoint said:
Thats true, Herzl was an atheist.
How do you define traditional? Loonies with funny hats and beards represent 10% of the Israeli population.
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not specfically the 10% but what the the Jews believed in the past - thats what i mean by traditional.
 

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