Could you tell me why the Palestinians have to recognize the zionist state's right...

Whatsthepoint said:
I'm not sure but I think Jews believe the third temple needs to be built for the messiah to come. Or is it Christians-
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it could be the rightwing evengelicals - They have a lot of beliefs - its one of the reasons they support the state of Isreal.
 
It could become a aparthied thats the similarity between south africa.
 
Whatsthepoint said:
Sacred text should play no role in this. The state of Israel can only draw its legitimacy from Britain and other European powers that promised the land to them and playing a double card on both Jews and Arabs.
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The orgins of this go back further than that friend. The Jews claim they were promised that land in Biblical times long before Islam and the Quran emerged.The Muslims also have their reasons for their claims to the same land. From my prespective both have a right to live there and being pragmatic about the whole thing both groups are going to have to find a way to coexist whether they like it or not. Israel is not going anywhere, the Palestinians are not going anywhere. They can either make the best of a bad sitiation or kill each other, those are really the only 2 choices they have.
 
Zafran said:
It could become a aparthied thats the similarity between south africa.
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could being the operative word.
Besides we can't judge 61 years absed on the last decade. There were periods of relative peace, fewer check points, no blockades etc.
 
ragdollcat1982 said:
The orgins of this go back further than that friend. The Jews claim they were promised that land in Biblical times long before Islam and the Quran emerged.The Muslims also have their reasons for their claims to the same land. From my prespective both have a right to live there and being pragmatic about the whole thing both groups are going to have to find a way to coexist whether they like it or not. Israel is not going anywhere, the Palestinians are not going anywhere. They can either make the best of a bad sitiation or kill each other, those are really the only 2 choices they have.
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You do know what the old Jews believed - they believed that they were in exile and were not allowed to come back until the messiah would invite them -thats well known - even the old guard was against returning for that very reason and there are still these Jews around who stick with the old way.

Muslims have little claim on the land - its the palestinians that have the real claim muslim and non muslim.
 
Zafran said:
You do know what the old Jews believed - they believed that they were in exile and were not allowed to come back until the messiah would invite them -thats well known - even the old guard was against returning for that very reason and there are still these Jews around who stick with the old way.

Muslims have little claim on the land - its the palestinians that have the real claim muslim and non muslim.
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I know a lot of Jews oppose zionism because it founded a secular rather than a theocratic state.
 
Whatsthepoint said:
Yes, a I don't appreciate religios extremists.
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religious extremist?? or people that are actually telling us how against the whole idea of building a state (and a secular one as that) in the name of their religion is wrong.
 
I knoW jews like that too. Un fortunately Netanyahu is not one of them.

I am still waiting to know what is different kind of racism.

Hopely you haven´t never face any of them as they are all same.
 
Zafran said:
religious extremist?? or people that are actually telling us how against the whole idea of building a state (and a secular one as that) in the name of their religion is wrong.
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It's notin the name of their religion, its in the name of the people.
 
sister harb said:
I knoW jews like that too. Un fortunately Netanyahu is not one of them.

I am still waiting to know what is different kind of racism.

Hopely you haven´t never face any of them as they are all same.
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One racism derives from soem weird concept of racial superiority and the other from experience. Israeli anti-arab racism in regular secualr israelis mostly derives from wars, terrorisms etc.
 
Whatsthepoint said:
It's notin the name of their religion, its in the name of the people.
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It is in the name of their religion - you have people trying to justify the secular state by using the bible (eg evengelicals) and then you have zionist doing the same thing - it brings Judiasim into the whole thing - then the Jews that are against the whole thing are saying that its against Judaism.
 

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