Iranians fired up over election

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true. not to mention, the system itself is not changing, the corruption will not end regardless of who wins, Nijad stayed away from it, but didn't do much to counter it.
the elite who ruled Iran under the shah are-more or less- the same ones reigning now, with perhaps the exception of the religous establishment which didn't have much power under him.

until those are confronted, Iran will face major challenges to everything that makes it a nation-state. it could be fragmented/atomized as Iraq was, the same methods will work-sectarian/class tensions being the main issue- the leadership now has been given a wake up call, and they're not stupid, i'm no expert though, so it remains to be seen how the powers that be-internal & external- affect this. because regardless of demonstrations, they are the ones who determine this, remember the demonstrations occurred mainly because of parts of the system allowed/called for it.

apparently the people are only a tool as the borther stated above,,
 
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That's another mistake the government made. It could have ended peacefully, but when the first drop of blood was shed, they dug their own grave.


MSN: yes!


Youtube is blocked, yahoo is blocked, haven't checked SMS's yet, but I think they're still blocked. All the proxy servers I used are blocked, all my anonymizers and anti-filter programs are blocked. Can't even read CNN anymore!:cry:
 
mohsen1985 said:
That's another mistake the government made. It could have ended peacefully, but when the first drop of blood was shed, they dug their own grave.


MSN: yes!


Youtube is blocked, yahoo is blocked, haven't checked SMS's yet, but I think they're still blocked. All the proxy servers I used are blocked, all my anonymizers and anti-filter programs are blocked. Can't even read CNN anymore!:cry:
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CNN wasn't blocked!But it is now!!Use freegate.SMS is back but be careful
 
so, what should a government do in such a situation, allow the chaos, or use the Gauntlet even though some may be harmed?
 
alcurad said:
so, what should a government do in such a situation, allow the chaos, or use the Gauntlet even though some may be harmed?
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In America people have the right to protest and the goverment does not intefer with that right unless get violent and they would not fire live ammunition into a crowd to kill. Tear gas, rubber bullets maybe, but not lethal force. The people have a God given right to be heard and the government of Iran does not want the world to know what is really going on. This was an innocent 16 year old child who was doing nothing violent.
 
The first thing they should have done was not to lie to people?

But since they did lie, I don't think using real bullets and wood/iron clubs to beat people are the way. They could use harmless crowd control weapons maybe?


I can't download freegate :( all the sites leading to it are blocked :( Who can email it to me?
 
Simple recount the votes quick as possible - that would have stop the protesting - clearly they are not doing that - the more they leave it the worse it will get because then it would seem that the regime is hiding something.
 
mohsen1985 said:
Youtube is blocked, yahoo is blocked, haven't checked SMS's yet, but I think they're still blocked. All the proxy servers I used are blocked, all my anonymizers and anti-filter programs are blocked. Can't even read CNN anymore!:cry:
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Ah O_o

What are they hope to achieve by blocking certain sites? I don't even know what is going on in Iran anymore. :/
 
mohsen1985 said:
The first thing they should have done was not to lie to people?

But since they did lie, I don't think using real bullets and wood/iron clubs to beat people are the way. They could use harmless crowd control weapons maybe?


I can't download freegate :( all the sites leading to it are blocked :( Who can email it to me?
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I am sorry that you are having your internet access blocked. imsad May the Lord Bless and keep you during this time of tribulation.
 
Guestfellow said:
Ah O_o

What are they hope to achieve by blocking certain sites? I don't even know what is going on in Iran anymore. :/
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I find it stupid that they blocked all media/ contact access - its just going to make the whole thing worse - no wonder the Iranians are screaming "no to dictatorship".
 
ragdollcat1982 said:
I am sorry that you are having your internet access blocked. imsad May the Lord Bless and keep you during this time of tribulation.
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Hehehe, thanks, but I'm having a blast! I couldn't care less about who's president and what happens. I just like all the mayhem. It's so exciting to see the country in such a mess, kinda funny too. All the people screaming on the rooftops, the protests, it all gives me a great rush.
 
Zafran said:
I find it stupid that they blocked all media/ contact access - its just going to make the whole thing worse - no wonder the Iranians are screaming "no to dictatorship".
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Well, in their opinion blocking the outside media will stop them meddling in the country's business and provoking people to continue the protests.

And they're screaming death to the dictator, meaning Khamenei
 
mohsen1985 said:
Hehehe, thanks, but I'm having a blast! I couldn't care less about who's president and what happens. I just like all the mayhem. It's so exciting to see the country in such a mess, kinda funny too. All the people screaming on the rooftops, the protests, it all gives me a great rush.
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I think it we are seeing another revolution.
 
mohsen1985 said:
Well, in their opinion blocking the outside media will stop them meddling in the country's business and provoking people to continue the protests.

And they're screaming death to the dictator, meaning Khamenei
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its made the sitiution worse.
 
ragdollcat1982 said:
I think it we are seeing another revolution.
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I doubt, people in tv who say that Iranians want democracy are in mistake I guess. They still want to live in shiite republic, but many of them dont like the way they country was ruled by the last few years. But on the other hand, only Iranians living there can say what it is all about.
 
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