Is there any Biblical evidence that describes Jesus as God?

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OK Grace Seeker:

Can you please explain how it may be "properly understood"?

Regards,
Grenville

Already addressed above. Since you missed it here is the short version:

Jesus does not say that he is not good.
Jesus does not say that he is not God.
Jesus merely asks the man why he uses that term to address him.
For, if the man is doing more than using flowerly speech, then he should understand that he is in essence saying that Jesus is God. If the man really thinks that Jesus has the answer to eternal life -- something that only God could have the answer to -- then he should leave all that he has and follow Jesus, for the answer is not in just keeping the commandments as a lithmus test. The answer is really in learning to submit one's heart to God, for out of a truly submitted heart will flow the truly submitted life.
 
let's assume for a minute that you can read English [and we can also assume that i haven't read the entire thread], can we assume that?

Dear YusufNoor:

Please read the entire thread.


why would "orthodox" Christians have selected the writings that they did as canon if they DIDN'T portray Jesus as such or at the least contain writings that could be interpreted that way? especially quasi-gnostic writings such as what is know as "the Gospel of John" as well as the writings of the Pharisee, Saul of Tarsus.

Please be advised that the Qur’an does not compromise any teaching, or damage the integrity of any verse in either the Gospel of John or the writings of Paul. If you have any evidence that they do, then please provide it. Ah. I see that you have.

1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was with God in the beginning. 3Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4In him was life, and that life was the light of men. 5The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood it.

6There came a man who was sent from God; his name was John. 7He came as a witness to testify concerning that light, so that through him all men might believe. 8He himself was not the light; he came only as a witness to the light. 9The true light that gives light to every man was coming into the world.

10He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him. 11He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. 12Yet to all who received him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— 13children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband's will, but born of God.

14The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth. (John 1)
Yusuf, please notice that John does not say that Jesus was God or that the Word is God, but that the Word was with God, and was God in the beginning. Let us try to discuss this issue without damaging the integrity of the evidence.

It is possible that words, before they are spoken, can be considered to be part of the person. My words, not yet spoken, are with me and can be said to be me. However, once spoken, they represent me, but are separate from me. Let us see whether this explanation maintains the integrity of the evidence.

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. (John 1:1–2)​
The unspoken Word was with God in the beginning. This unspoken Word was God.

All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. (John 1:3)

The unspoken Word was spoken and creation was the result. Note that God is the Creator, and all things were made by God through the Word of God. We are essentially calling the “Word of God” the Word that belongs to God and came from God.

In Him was life, and the life was the light of men. And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it. (John 1:4–5)​

Once spoken, the Word became a separate entity with a life of His own.

And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth. (John 1:14)​

The Word, separated from God, eventually became flesh. The idea that the Word has life in Himself, and the Word becoming flesh, is consistent with other Biblical teachings.

For as the Father has life in Himself, so He has granted the Son to have life in Himself, and has given Him authority to execute judgment also, because He is the Son of Man. (John 5:26–27)​

Is this the actual interpretation? I do not know; but it is plausible. We must remember that Paul indicated that there exists an element of uncertainty for the time being.

For we know in part and we prophesy in part. But when that which is perfect has come, then that which is in part will be done away. When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child; but when I became a man, I put away childish things. For now we see in a mirror, dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part, but then I shall know just as I also am known. (1 Corinthians 13:9–12)​

Therefore, dogmatic (doctrinal) statements should not be made about inconclusive issues. Rather, all of the relevant evidence should be examined, and conflicting evidence must be reconciled. No evidence should be ignored in order to reach a favored position.

Again, I urge you to read 'Brothers Kept Apart' at your local library.

Best regards,
Grenville
 
Greatest I am - you are forgetting that Jesus was GOD and fully human. The body of a human that felt pain and hunger, but being of the very same substance of GOD.

In no way was all of the omnipresent GOD in the human body of Jesus.

To be fully human, one must begin from a human sperm and egg. Right?

If you were fully Man and God, would you sit back and let your man half or full part suffer pain? Not likely. Would you let it die? No.

Especially if it just to make him a sacrifice to yourself. Would you cut off you right hand to give it to your left hand.

Only if you are a fool. God is no fool and the idea of accepting the death of an innocent man as a sacrifice is just well, sacriligious.

http://www.thenazareneway.com/vicarious_atonement.htm

Regards
DL
 
I see that this debate has deteriorated to all saying that the other does not understand thinks properly.

If I may suggest that we leave quotes behind and look at Jesus in a logical way.

Could Jesus be at the beginning as part of the trinity before his mother was born?
If Jesus was God then is a sacrifice to himself logical.
Would Jesus or God tell man that it is good for us to ride a scapegoat into heaven instead of getting there by our own efforts and not those of an innocent death?

If God or part of God uses an inferior species like woman to reproduce, is that not bestiality? Somewhat like man using some other lower species to reproduce a chimera?

If God on the cross can he really die? If not then where is the sacrifice.

Is it likely that Jesus rose to heaven, a non corporeal place, with his body?

If he saved the whole world with his death then is there a hell?

If God, can you picture Jesus who would not stone a prostitute, go from that benevolence and love to flooding the whole evil world?

Answer some of these to consensus and you all will know if Jesus was divine or not.

Regards
DL
 
I see that this debate has deteriorated to all saying that the other does not understand thinks properly.

If I may suggest that we leave quotes behind and look at Jesus in a logical way.

Could Jesus be at the beginning as part of the trinity before his mother was born?
Yes.

If Jesus was God then is a sacrifice to himself logical.
Yes.

Would Jesus or God tell man that it is good for us to ride a scapegoat into heaven instead of getting there by our own efforts and not those of an innocent death?
Most certainly YES. And I may write more on this next week.

If God or part of God uses an inferior species like woman to reproduce, is that not bestiality? Somewhat like man using some other lower species to reproduce a chimera?
An irrelevant question as this is not what Christians say happened with regard the Jesus' incarnation.

If God on the cross can he really die? If not then where is the sacrifice.
Yes. And yet I suspect you're going to read something different into that than what I am actually saying.

Is it likely that Jesus rose to heaven, a non corporeal place, with his body?
It certainly is not impossible, but more likely that he was transformed once he was hidden from the disciples' sight in the clouds.

If he saved the whole world with his death then is there a hell?
He made salvation possible. He does not force people to be joined with God who desire to live independent of God. That in and of itself is hell.

BTW, if you can understand heaven as an incorporeal place, then surely you can understand hell in the same way.

If God, can you picture Jesus who would not stone a prostitute, go from that benevolence and love to flooding the whole evil world?
God has always shown both mercy and judgment and we see that in Jesus' life as well.

Answer some of these to consensus and you all will know if Jesus was divine or not.

Regards
DL
Your questions don't cast any doubt on the divinity of Jesus.
 
Greatest I am - you are forgetting that Jesus was GOD and fully human. The body of a human that felt pain and hunger, but being of the very same substance of GOD.

In no way was all of the omnipresent GOD in the human body of Jesus.

Dear Follower:

Rather than simply repeating your religious traditions, please provide the evidence from the Bible that supports your assertion that Jesus was fully God.

Regards,
Grenville
 
To be fully human, one must begin from a human sperm and egg. Right?

If you were fully Man and God, would you sit back and let your man half or full part suffer pain? Not likely. Would you let it die? No.

Especially if it just to make him a sacrifice to yourself. Would you cut off you right hand to give it to your left hand.

Only if you are a fool. God is no fool and the idea of accepting the death of an innocent man as a sacrifice is just well, sacriligious.

http://www.thenazareneway.com/vicarious_atonement.htm

Regards
DL

Dear Greatest I am:

You should not try to define Jesus outside of what has been explicitly revealed about Him in Scripture. Anything else is speculative opinion.

Regards,
Grenville
 
The Christian creed with regards to the nature of God is a mystery as we often hear from advocates of the divinity of Jesus and his place in the Christian Trinity, such as using this type of title: ‘The Incomprehensible Nature of God and his Son’. Agreed! The Christian creed is incomprehensible, and a mystery. Firstly, no one can explain what the divinity of Jesus really means or how this concept is supposed to work within the Trinity, or where this concept came from or where it is going. Secondly, how can billions of Christians believe in a creed built on an elaborate scheme of, ‘This could mean that; that may mean this; probably; may be; it is possible; we could say’; and so forth? This is where advocates of the divinity of Jesus ‘glue together’ a creed based on vague verses that are twisted and corrupted to mean what they do not mean. Hence, advocates of Christianity need long minutes and substantial effort to prove their creed, because their creed does not exist to begin with. They need substantial time and extensive effort to manufacture a creed based on texts that are at best vague and could mean a host of things. Can we ask Christendom to simply quote Jesus as saying, ‘People: I am God; I created you; worship me; I am one in three and three in one; worship the Holy Ghost; the Holy Ghost is God; Trinity is the creed to follow; I am divine.’ Instead, we always hear the usual blend of verses distorted to force them to mean what they do not mean to support a creed that does not exist in the Bible.


‘Does the Bible Teach that Jesus is God?’ There are five aspects to discuss here found in the title itself: God; Jesus; The Bible; ‘Twinity’; and God’s True Name.


Is Jesus God?


What is the Biblical proof that Jesus is God? Is it the same old evidence that mankind has been hearing from Christianity for almost 1,700 years? Evidence the Jews vehemently deny exists in the OT, while Muslims and countless Christians vehemently deny it exists in the OT or the NT? Let’s discuss this so-called evidence. Inshaallah (Allah willing), I will mention Biblical texts to prove that the Bible says that Jesus is NOT God. We will assert this fact in different ways.

“God is not a man” (Numbers 23:19).


Agreed! Jesus is a man, as the Bible testifies, “Jesus of Nazareth, a man” (Acts 2:22); “…and being found in fashion as a man” (Philippians 2:8). Therefore, according to the Bible, Jesus is not God.


“God is not a man … neither the son of man” (Numbers 23:19).


Agreed! Jesus, a man, so often said this about himself, “For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost” (Matthew 18:11).


Therefore, according to the Bible, Jesus is not God, since God, according to the Bible, is neither a man nor the son of man, while Jesus is a man and the son of man, who was also often called in the Bible, “The son of David” (Matthew 9:27).


“En arche en ho logos kai ho logos en pros ton theon kai Theos en ho logos (In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God)” (John 1:1).


John 1:1 is celebrated by Christians worldwide. Does this verse affirm the divinity of Jesus, let alone affirming Trinity?

1. In the first instance, The God is described as, ‘Ton Theon’, while the Word is described as being ‘Theos’.

2. Key-Word: Twinity! The Holy Ghost is not found in John 1:1 yet Christians somehow use it to prove Trinity. It seems that the Holy Ghost was not with The God and the Word from the beginning.

3. The Greek copy of the New Testament I have access to uses ‘Theos’ in both instances where ‘god’ is mentioned in John 1:1. However, the first instance of ‘Theos’ is preceded by ‘Ho’ which makes the reference in it to The God; the second instance is not preceded by ‘Ho’, which makes the second ‘theos’ merely a god.

4. In the Bible Collection Suite, ‘Theos’ is the same term used to describe both the devil and The God, “In whom the god (Ho Theos; Satan) of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God (Ho Theos), should shine unto them” (2 Corinthians 4:4). This verse seems to equate the devil to The God; John 1:1 refers to the Word merely as a god.

5. Somehow, to Christians, ‘Theos’ is God when talking about Jesus, but ‘theos’ is only god when talking about the devil. This is the never-ending capital letters vs. lower case letters game that the modern day Christian world has engaged itself in.

6. However, Jesus did not speak Greek, did not speak in capital letters or lower case letters, and did not speak English.

7. If, as we are told, John 1:1 qualifies Jesus to be a god besides God, the devil would have more right to this title than Jesus: The devil is the ‘ho theos’ of the world, while Jesus is merely a ‘theos’. None deserves to be worshipped, except Allah, Alone without partners.


“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten (Monogenes) Son (Huios), that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life” (John 3:16).


The NT mentions this very term, ‘Monogenes', while describing Prophet Is`haq (Isaac u), son of Prophet Ibrahim (Abraham u), “By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son (Monogenes)” (Hebrews 11:17). Of course, Prophet Is`haq (Isaac u) was neither Ibrahim’s (Abraham’s) only begotten son, nor his first begotten son; Prophet Isma`eel (Ishmael u) was as the OT itself attests, “And Abram was fourscore and six years old (86), when Hagar bare Ishmael to Abram” (Genesis 16:16). In contrast, Genesis states this, “And Abraham was an hundred years old, when his son Isaac was born unto him” (Genesis 21:5). Hajar (Hagar), the mother of Ishmael, was Abraham’s wife as Genesis 16:3 testifies.


‘Monogenes’ does not mean ‘only begotten’. If, ‘Monogenes’, means ‘the only begotten [KJV]’, then, the current copy of the Old Testament is wrong in describing Isaac as being the only begotten son of Abraham; the same is said about the New Testament which used this term to describe Isaac; (Hebrews 11:17). If ‘Monogenes’ means ‘only (New Revised Standard Version of the Bible [NRSV])’, this proves that both the Old Testament and the New Testament were corrupted and changed: the first for contradicting the fact that Isaac was not the only son of Abraham, and the second for being translated as meaning ‘the only begotten,’ when ‘Monogenes’ only means, ‘only’.


The NRSV has expunged ‘begotten’ from John 3:16, because it is an addition; an innovation. The dispute about the true meaning of ‘Monogenes’ is irrelevant; Jesus did not speak Greek, and the author of the Gospel of John is an unknown person who wrote what was never before preached by any Prophet whom Allah sent. This alien idea should not be allowed to overturn the clear Monotheism preached in the Two Testaments and upheld by the Quran.


“For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one” (1 John 5:7).


1 John 5:7, a foundation of Christianity, is among the fabricated texts added to the New Testament. The appearance and disappearance of 1 John 5:7 between the Standard and the King James Versions of the Bible expose the little respect Christians have for their own holy book. Even the versions of the Bible that kept this verse almost intact translate it differently, especially the last part of it: “…and these three are one”; “…and the three agree as one”; “…and the three agree in one.”


Before using this fabricated text, Christians should agree among themselves on what is their true Word of God. Christendom has many words of God, such as the American Standard Version of the Bible, which does not have this verse exactly as other words of God do. The Revised Standard Version, The New Revised Standard Version, The New American Standard Bible, The New English Bible, The Phillips Modern English Bible have expunged this verse altogether from their versions of the Bible because it is agreed now that it was a later insertion to the Bible by the church.


Absolutely no one before John wrote this verse ever uttered any statement like it. Not even Jesus said this. No prophet ever said this. This is why it is a fabrication that should not be used as evidence to anything.


The answering Islam team agrees that the KJV contains at least an error, by saying, “This passage is recognized by a majority of Christian scholars as an extrapolation since 1 John 5:7 is not found in any early Greek manuscripts.” Yet, this verse still exists today in the most popular version of the Christian Word of God, the KJV.


“I and my father are one” (John 10:30).


Christians claim that this statement proves that Jesus is one or united with God and, consequently, Jesus is God. However, when Jesus died, he did not give up the Father, he only gave up the ghost, “And Jesus cried with a loud voice, and gave up the ghost” (Mark 15:37). This claimed unity was not available to Jesus when he died; what happened to this unity and why did not the Father die when Jesus died, if Jesus and the Father are one? Hopefully, no one will claim that when Jesus said that he and the Father are one, it was Jesus the human not Jesus the divine who said it. It this is suggested, then one would be saying that God is human. And where is the Holy Ghost in John 10:30? He is missing, again. Key-Word: Twinity!


It seems the unity between God and Jesus can include many more people. Jesus is claimed to have said, “That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one” (John 17:21-23). If, as we are told, John 10:30 proves that Jesus is God, then, John 17:21-23 prove that the disciples and possibly many other people are also God. Also, if God and Jesus are one, why would Jesus keep calling himself, ‘My God’: “I ascend to my Father and your Father, and to my God and your God” (John 20:17)? The Quran states that Prophet `Esa said,


{Never did I say to them aught except what You (Allâh I) did command me to say: “Worship Allâh, my Lord and your Lord.” And I was a witness over them while I dwelt amongst them, but when You took me up, You were the Watcher over them; and You are a Witness to all things.} (5:117)


“Jesus said … Before Abraham was, I AM” (John 8:58).


Christians try to pass this verse as proof of the divinity of Jesus. However, this hardly proves anything, whether ‘I am’ is written in capital or lower case letters. Jesus did not speak Greek, and he did not speak in capital letters or in English. The first handwritten English Bible manuscripts were produced in the late fourteenth century by John Wycliffe, more than thirteen centuries after Jesus supposedly died.


We should also note that in the Greek copy of the Bible, the terms ‘Ego (eg-o') Eimi (i-mee')’ used for ‘I AM’ in John 8:58 are the same terms used by other than Jesus, such as in Matthew 9:13. Yet, some Christians ignore this fact and talk about the ‘I AM’ of Jesus being translated in capital letters. What if Jesus said, ‘I AM’, or ‘I IS’, or, ‘I ARE’, how would one of these make him God?


What about what Jesus said in truth, where is it? Produce the real original copy of what he said in the language he said it in, as recorded by truthful witnesses who passed this information through truthful chains of narration. Instead, the advocates of the divinity of Jesus base their religion on doubt and suspicion, and neither Christians nor Jews can produce any exact replica of any page in the OT or the NT.


“For thou art not a God that hath pleasure in wickedness: neither shall evil dwell with thee” (Psalm 5:4).


Shocking proof that Jesus is not God: “Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil. And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungered. And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread. But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple. And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down ... Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and showeth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them. And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me. Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him.” (Matthew 4:1-11)


If mankind were to believe that Jesus is God, then the devil is a bigger god, since he tempted ‘God’, led ‘God’ around, asked ‘God’ to commit suicide, offered ‘God’, who owns everything to begin with, the kingdoms of the world, and then demanded that ‘God’ worship him! Meanwhile, Jesus never said to the devil, ‘How dare you; I am God; do you offer me the kingdoms which I own and then demand that I, who created you and everything else, worship you?’ Jesus cannot be God according to the Bible, since God cannot be tempted by evil; Jesus was tempted by the devil as the Bible claims.


Either way it looks bad: Someone may suggest that Jesus the human, who was then disconnected from Jesus the divine, was actually tempted by the devil. This is worse; this means that God has a selective amnesia, and Jesus the man was still led by the devil.


“The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool” (Psalm 110:1).


Christian enthusiasts on Psalm 110:1, “Christians believe that Jesus is David’s Lord since he is the Christ. And since Yahweh is David’s Lord, Jesus must therefore be Yahweh God.” So, the Lord spoke to himself and said, ‘My-self, sit at my right hand until I make my enemies a footstool for my feet.” And what happened to the Holy Ghost? Key-Word: Twinity, Jesus and God!


A Christian view on Psalm 110:1, “The words in Hebrew … the above version translates LORD and Lord are actually Yahweh and Adoni, two different words with two obviously different meanings.”


How can Psalm 110:1 prove two distinct persons, ‘Yahweh’ and ‘Adani (or Adown)’, and also prove Jesus (Adoni) is actually God (Yahweh), and consequently, God is actually One God: God, Jesus, Adoni, Christ, the (missing) Holy Ghost, and Yahweh? Psalm 110:1 addresses two distinct, different persons. And Adoni is never used for God in the Hebrew Bible. Therefore, how would this make Adoni Jesus and Yahweh and the Christ and the Holy Ghost and the one and only true God?


Gideon said: “My Lord (Adoni), if the LORD be with us, why then is all this befallen us … where be all his miracles … our fathers told us of, saying, Did not the LORD bring us up from Egypt … now the LORD hath forsaken us … delivered us into … the Midianites” (Judges 6:13).


We are told that ‘Adoni’ used for the Angel of Yahweh in Judges 6:13 isn’t a mere creature but a manifestation of God himself. If this is true, then the text would go like this, “Oh my Lord, if YOU be with us, why then is all this befallen us … and where be all YOUR miracles which our fathers told us of … but now you have forsaken us.” All these complaints of promises undelivered!


“For I am the LORD, I change not” (Malachi 3:6).


True, Allah (God) does not change. However, the Bible says that Jesus was with God from the beginning (John 1:1). Then, Jesus was born to a supposedly Jewish woman, grew up from childhood, became a full grown man, grew hair and a beard, and then died, as Christians claim. Then, after his supposed death, Jesus was supposedly resurrected, and now we are not clearly informed about his current nature. The Bible states that Mary was told that, "... she will bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus" (Matthew 1:21). Jesus was given his name just before he was born. Thus, according to the Bible, Jesus cannot be God, because he changed in profound ways, but, “For I am the LORD, I change not” (Malachi 3:6).


Interestingly, Yahweh of the Old Testament changed his name in the New Testament to, ‘God; Theos’, also used for various gods [even goddesses!]; (http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/06608x.htm; The Bible Collection Suite). He is also called the Father, and we are told, also the Holy Ghost, the son, Adonai (the Lord), etc.


Allegedly, OT God seems to have not fulfilled at least some of his promises: “And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise” (Hebrews 11:39).


“Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever” (Hebrews 13:8).


According to the Bible, John 1:1 to be exact, yester-day, Jesus was with God, and actually was God as John falsely claims. Jesus then became a man to-day, then, became something else to-morrow, after he was supposedly crucified, yester-day.


Therefore, according to Christianity, Jesus was God, or the divine son of God, then a human baby, who grew up to be a man, then became a dead man, then, a resurrected man, then, something else we are still not sure of. According to the Bible, Jesus cannot be God, because he repeatedly changed in essence and in various ways.


It is rather amazing and confusing how Christians can report Hebrews 13:8 as proof to the divinity of Jesus in the midst of their professing that Jesus was born as a human and died as a human. Apparently, in Christianity, the word change changes in meaning dramatically and profoundly!


“God's unchangeability … is referring to God's essence … attributes … purpose … decrees … Jesus is God's eternal Word who became flesh, who became a real human being … Scriptures also teach that Christ is fully God in nature, having all the essential attributes of Deity … Jesus didn't relinquish his Deity … to become man, but retained his divine nature since he can never cease being God … At Christ's Incarnation, there wasn't a subtraction of his Deity, but an addition of humanity.”


Has Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses, or Jesus ever utter such an argument which has no basis in the Scriptures?


‘Unchangeability’, we are told, is about God's essence, attributes, purpose, and decrees. Meanwhile, Jesus became flesh, a real human being. Become: “To change or develop into something” (The Encarta World English Dictionary, N. American Edition).


Jesus, fully God in nature as Christians claim, became human and changed in essence, attributes, purpose, and decrees. Jesus never ceased being God, we are told, yet he became a man thus changing in essence and in ‘God-ness’? The Bible says God is not a man; Jesus is a man. God was not a human then developed into a human thus changing in attributes. Now he needed to eat, sleep, and relieve the call of nature, all of which God stands in no need of. God’s purpose changed as a split between the Father and the son had to happen so the son, not God, can die, since God does not die. The son, allegedly still fully God, had to die on the cross to save mankind from sin, a new purpose for God that needed his developing into a human being. Jesus also certainly changed his decrees since, according to the Bible, Jesus was made under the law; God is the law giver.


Humanity, an addition to Jesus’ deity not a subtraction: This is worse and is NOT supported by Scriptures. Add: “To give something a particular quality or more of a particular quality” (Encarta World English Dictionary, N. American Edi.). Jesus, claimed to be fully God, received an added quality he did not have before, changing his nature to become a real human being. ‘Add’ or ‘subtract’ truly implies change from a full God to a full God plus/minus human. And what happened to the Holy Ghost? Key-Word: Twinity. The Holy Ghost is nowhere to appear in this discussion. If Jesus the son is also God the Father, what about the Holy Ghost, is he also Jesus the son and God the Father? The possibilities are staggering.


“God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law” (Galatians 4:4).


Galatians 4:4 clearly establishes Jesus as a creation, made, not divine, under the law, not a law giver, a son, a righteous person, “When the centurion saw what was done, he glorified God, saying, Certainly this was a righteous man” (Luke 23:47). In the Bible, Jesus is described as, “The beginning of the creation of God” (Revelation 3:14). However, in the Arabic copy of the Bible, far older than the English copy, the words for this verse are: ‘Ra-eesu khaleeqati-llah (رَئِيسُ خَلِيقَةِ اللهِ; the chief of Allah’s creation)’. And yes, you heard it right, in the Arabic copy of the Bible the name of God is Allah. Jesus never uttered the word ‘God’ in his entire life. Those who disagree should bring the proof.


Christians may argue that Jesus was with God from the beginning and eternal. The Bible said that Jesus was made. Also, if this argument qualifies Jesus to be God, then Melchisedec is even a bigger God, “Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually” (Hebrews 7:2). Jesus had a beginning and an end; according to Christians he died and had another beginning after he was resurrected.


“The LORD our God is one LORD” (Deuteronomy 6:4); “God is one” (Galatians 3:20).


Christians somehow read these clear texts and read the number three in them:

“This is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent” (John 17:3).
"For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus” (1 Timothy 2:5).


God (Allah) has always been described as One, only One, the Only True God. Christians agree and this is why they call their creed ‘Trinity’, not ‘One-nity’, because they believe in three different gods, three distinct gods with three different jobs and three different personalities, different actions, different roles, different essences, different experiences. How can anyone state that God is only One True God and then go on to defend his faith that one actually means three, one in three and three in one? These three gods are different gods, polytheism in action.


Jesus died, Christians claim; God did not die; the Holy Ghost did not die. John 17:3 agrees Jesus is not God. When referring to God, Jesus said, ‘Thee’, not, ‘Me’. When referring to his own status, Jesus said, ‘Whom though hast sent’, not, ‘Whom I sent’, i.e., “Allah is One True God; Jesus is His Messenger, human not divine.”


Paul said, “But to us there is but one God, the Father” (1 Corinthians 8:6).


There is only one God, the Father, and thus, Jesus is not God since even Christians call him the son, not the Father.
This verse says nothing about the Holy Ghost or the son, but states God is one, the Father, only the Father.
If Jesus, the son, is also the Father, then, the Father will also be the son and the Holy Ghost, while the Holy Ghost will also be God the Father and Jesus the son.
Meanwhile, Christians pray to the Holy Ghost, they do not call him the Father, and to Jesus the son, but they do not call him the Father, and to the Father, but they do not call the Father the son or the Holy Ghost. This is utter confusion.
“I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God … Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any” (Isaiah 44:6 & 8).
Allah said,


{Such is Allâh, your Lord! Lâ ilâha illa Huwa (none has the right to be worshipped but He), the Creator of all things} (6:102).


Truth is that regardless of what some Christians may say, it is not generally accepted among Christians that Jesus the son is also the Father. The majority of Christians believe that God is one in Trinity and the three persons in the Trinity are co-equal.


Jesus said: “And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven” (Matthew 23:9).


Jesus is not God: He said these words upon the earth, stating that the Father is one and that he is in heaven; Paul said, “But to us there is but one God, the Father” (1 Corinthians 8:6). No mention of the Holy Ghost here and no mention of the son.


Some Christians may argue that Jesus is the Father. Matthew 23:9 contradicts this assertion since Jesus only mentioned the Father and said He is in heaven; Jesus is the Christian son of God who said what he said while he was on earth. If God is in heaven and not on earth, how can Jesus be divine when he was on earth when he said this statement?


“Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour”(Isaiah 43:10-11).


This text is so very clear in its indication that Allah is the Only God there is, the Only Savior and there is none other than He. No God formed before or after Him. How can Christians read this consistent creed and claim without a shred of evidence that this text is actually about three in one? Have they any proof from anyone in the OT that ‘One’ here actually means three? Did any prophet ever say this? Did any scripture give this explanation to this and other monotheistic texts? How can anyone read this text and read Trinity in it?


This is a mystery of untold proportions that people would read but understand not and would invent a creed which was not once propagated in their holy book, “I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me. Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else” (Isaiah 45:21-22).


“No man hath seen God at any time” (1 John 4:12).


We stand confused! This is because Jesus supposedly said, “He that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father” (John 14:9). Either, no man has seen God and therefore Jesus, who was seen, is not God, because he was seen. Or, God has been seen by many, even though God has not been seen at any time as the Bible says.


John 14:9 adds to the confusion, because it seems to suggest that he who was speaking then was actually Jesus the divine, since he clearly states that, who has seen him has seen the Father. If it were Jesus the man speaking then, it would not make sense to say that he who has seen Jesus has seen the Father, since the Father is not a man; “God is not a man” (Numbers 23:19).


Colossians 2:9 adds to the confusion in a profound way, “For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily” (KJV). This verse claims that all the fullness of God dwells in Jesus BODILY. Thus, it seems that Jesus the man was not only Jesus the divine but also his body was God’s body. Which ‘body’ was allegedly crucified? When Jesus the body was crucified, then God was also crucified, since He fully dwells in Jesus bodily. Belittling God does not seem to have an end with Christianity.


"Thomas answered him, ‘My Lord and my God!’" (John 20:28).


However, John 20:17 stated that Jesus said to Mary Magdalene, “Go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.” If Jesus is God, as Christians claim John 20:28 implies, then why would he say, “I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God”, instead of saying, ‘I ascend unto me, and I am your father, and to me, and I am your God.”


Jesus is not God: The same term addressed to Jesus in John 20:28 was used to describe Satan in 2 Corinthians 4:4. What astounds one when reading John 20 is that it is clear from the text that Jesus was then a human being in the flesh. The words falsely ascribed to Thomas contradict the Bible itself, which says that God is not a man. Yet, Jesus, a man, was standing next to Thomas who said, ‘My God!’ Thomas touched the man Jesus, we are told, who had human flesh and human form. Thomas must have been worshipping a man, and God is not a man, who died on the cross, and God does not die, but Thomas called a man who died, ‘God!’ This confusion is so profound it calls for the next point.


Paul said about God, “Who only hath immortality” (1 Timothy 6:15-16).


Jesus died, as Christians claim. According to the Bible, Jesus is not God. Or else, God would have died and left the universe to be run by no one, or may be only by two-thirds of himself. Again, the possibilities are endless.
Jesus allegedly died, but Biblical Enoch did not die, “Enoch was translated that he should not see death” (Hebrew 11:5).
Without proof from Scriptures: Someone may claim that Jesus the human not Jesus the divine died. This still proves Jesus is not God since Christians would at least admit that when he died, Jesus was not God.
Meanwhile, John 20:28 claims that after Jesus was resurrected, he was still a human being in the flesh. Thomas is falsely reported to have called that human man, ‘God.’ Key-Word: Confusion!


A Christian Problem: “God can not die by definition … you can not "neatly" separate God and man in Jesus. Jesus is (God who became) man, real man, not just a fake appearance of a human being … this MAN Jesus died. I don't say that is an easy concept. I have not "invented" it.” (Answering Islam team) They invent absurd ideas then say they did not invent them!


Agreed: Christians cannot ‘neatly’ separate Jesus the man from Jesus the God; one died, the other had no idea what went on.
God Himself died for the sins of Christianity? “God's love and mercy moved him to pay himself for it” (Answering Islam team); “Feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood” (Acts 20:28).
The Holy Ghost paid nothing, did not die even though God allegedly died; the Holy Ghost is not God. Jesus the human who died was created in addition to Jesus the divine. Thus, God paid nothing. Jesus the man died, and therefore, God changed –again- to subtract the human addition he created in himself. This is utter falsehood.
Key-Word: One Strange Family!


“And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? which is, being interpreted, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?” (Mark 15:34).


Christians claim that Jesus is God. But when he was supposedly dying, he said, ‘Eloi’, meaning, ‘My God.’ Thus, Jesus is not God. Unless when God was dying, He was calling upon himself and demanding to know why he forsook his own-self, ‘Me, Me, why have I forsaken me?’


The fact that Jesus was calling on someone else as God is proof that Jesus is not God. Also, Jesus never said he is God, neither did his disciples ever say that he is God. Every text that Christians produce has a host of meanings, and they utterly fail to produce what Jesus actually said in his own language, not Greek or English.


“Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me” (John 14:6).


Muslims bear witness that in his time, Jesus was the best man walking on earth and that those who disbelieved in his Prophethood were truly disbelievers and just as disbelievers as those who denied his Prophethood and instead claimed that he is God.


In Jesus’ time, those who wished to earn salvation had to believe in Jesus’ Messiahship and Prophethood and his being mortal and not divine in any way. If they did, they would have been among the believers who would accompany Jesus in heaven and enjoy all the physical pleasures Allah prepared for the believers in Paradise.


John 14:6 does not mean Jesus is God, but that those who wish to receive Allah’s Mercy have to believe in Jesus as a human prophet from Allah, human not divine.


"I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end" (Revelation 21:6).


Jesus was not even speaking here at all, yet some Christians dwell on this verse as if Jesus said it.
Revelation 21: a bizarre dream one might see if one fills his stomach with spoiled food and then goes to bed.
Alpha and Omega do not mean anything.
Many Christian scholars dispute the authenticity of the entire book of Revelation, allegedly written by John.
The Holy Ghost is supposed to be the inspirer of the OT and the NT, but it seems he was busy inspiring a report of a dream which was then narrated in the Word of God and left there.
This chapter’s author was not inspired to write his dream; he unjustly inserted it into the Book of his God.


Revelation 21:18-21: “And the building of the wall of it was of jasper: and the city was pure gold, like unto clear glass. And the foundations of the wall of the city were garnished with all manner of precious stones. The first foundation was jasper; the second, sapphire; the third, a chalcedony; the fourth, an emerald. The fifth, sardonyx; the sixth, sardius; the seventh, chrysolyte; the eighth, beryl; the ninth, a topaz; the tenth, a chrysoprasus; the eleventh, a jacinth; the twelfth, an amethyst. And the twelve gates were twelve pearls: every several gate was of one pearl: and the street of the city was pure gold, as it were transparent glass.”


“When he was gone forth into the way, there came one running … and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life? … Jesus said … Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God” (Mark 10:17-18).


Jesus says that only God is good, and he refused to allow the man to call him ‘good.’ Jesus did not say, ‘Why call me good? There is none good but one, me, or my other me, since whoever is talking to you now is me the human not me the divine.”


Can Christians give Jesus a break? What more does this man have to say to prove to Christians that he is not God? Jesus is not God.


"And Jesus came and said to them, ‘All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me’" (Matthew 28:18).


Jesus is not God: God owns all authority and does not need to be given it.


Of course, some Christians might say that Jesus the human was given this authority by Jesus the divine. Key-Word: “What are you talking about?”


Biblical Jesus should have recited the news found in Matthew 28:18 to the devil: Satan demanded that Jesus, the Christian God, should worship him. Jesus should have told Satan that he already owns the kingdoms of the world and their glory, if Jesus is God that is. Jesus should have told Satan that he already has all authority in heaven and earth.


“They brought to him a man sick of the palsy … and Jesus seeing their faith said unto the sick of the palsy … thy sins be forgiven thee” (Matthew 9:2).


Jesus is God to Christians since only God forgives sins. But, Jesus said, “Thy sins be forgiven thee,” not, ‘Thy sins I forgive thee’.
Matthew 9:8 clarifies: “But when the multitude saw it, they … glorified God, which had given such power unto men.”
Jesus only conveyed the news of forgiveness from Allah to the sick man.


John 20:22-23: Jesus breathed on the disciples and said to them, “Receive ye the Holy Ghost. Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them.” It seems that the Holy Ghost, not the son and not the Father, grants the authority to men to forgive. John 20:22 seems to suggest that the Holy Ghost now dwelled in the disciples, and thus, they had the power to forgive sin since they now carry the Holy Ghost within them.


Claiming that Jesus had a divine authority to forgive sin is contradicted by his statement, “I can of mine own self do nothing” (John 5:30). Jesus was given this authority, which he transferred to his disciples.


Confusion: Who forgives sin? Is it the Holy Ghost who delegates this authority to men, or is it Jesus who says he can do nothing on his own? As for the disciples, John 20:23 is clear in that whomever they forgive is forgiven. Thus, it is they who forgive sins, the ones who do the action of forgiving, just like Jesus is claimed to possess the power to forgive.


“Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also” (1 John 2:22-23).


Ongoing editing of the Bible: A Christian wrote, “Inspired New Testament record teaches that anyone denying the Father and Son as God is Antichrist.” There is not a single statement in the entire Bible that says what the Christian critic claims here. He is putting words in the mouth of the Holy Ghost the alleged revealer of the OT and the NT.


1 John 2:22-23 says absolutely nothing about denying Jesus being God, but about denying Jesus is the Christ. Christian critics added the statement about denying the son being God.


Muslims believe Prophet Jesus is the Messiah. When someone denies even one prophet from Allah, one denies Allah Who sent the prophets and also denies all the Prophets. The Messiah is not another name for Yahweh or God or the Holy Ghost or Adoni. The ‘Messiah’ does not even sound like ‘Yahweh’.


“Of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father” (Mark 13:32).


Key-Word: Twinity! Jesus completely excluded the Holy Ghost from the discussion in Mark 13:32.
Jesus referred to himself as the son and denied he has knowledge of the Last Hour.
The alleged unity between the Father and the son has somehow been broken. Jesus did not know when will come the major incident supposed to grant him all glory. Jesus is not God since he did not know when the Last Hour will come. God can never cease being God nor can He relinquish his deity or turn it off.
Absolutely Ridiculous: “Bible teaches … Jesus is God … became man without ceasing to be divine … had both a divine consciousness as well as a human one. In his divine consciousness he was all knowing … In his human consciousness he was not … at times chose not to relay … information he had in his divine consciousness over to his human consciousness.”
Jesus the divine disconnected from Jesus the human: Keep track of which Jesus was speaking on behalf of which Jesus!
Jesus denies any man or angel knows when the last hour will come. Jesus is included in ‘no man’.
Jesus also denies the son knows when the last day will come. The son, in Christendom, is the divine son of God.


Do Christians believe that God is the Messiah?


Jesus is the Messiah; Jesus is God (according to Christians); the Messiah must then be God. Some Christians claim they do not call the Messiah God, “since this implies that Jesus is the entire Godhead … modalism.” If calling the Messiah God may imply that he is the entire Godhead, then, the same must be said about calling Jesus God since this may imply that Jesus is the entire Godhead.


The Father, the son and the Holy Ghost can only share things perfectly if they are one and the same. If they share things perfectly, when one of them dies, the other two have to die as well. Otherwise, they share nothing.


A Christian wrote: “Unlike Muhammad and his family, Jesus and the blessed Mary are the only human beings who were absolutely free from any satanic influence … the only ones whom Satan could not control, could not touch, could not influence.”


I will not comment on the disrespectful words here about Prophet Muhammad, they speak for the author’s character.
Matthew 4:1-11: Jesus was not only touched by the devil, but carried by the devil who flew Jesus around, up and down, here and there, showed him the kingdoms of the world then demanded Jesus worship him.
Bible attests Jesus is not God: God would have crushed the devil for demanding he worship him, “Thine, O LORD, is the greatness, and the power, and the glory, and the victory, and the majesty: for all that is in the heaven and in the earth is thine; thine is the kingdom” (1 Chronicles 29:11).
Jesus did not say, “Mine, O ME, is the greatness, and the power, and the glory, and the victory, and the majesty: for all that is in the heaven and in the earth is Mine; Mine is the kingdom, O ME, and I AM exalted as head above all.”
Jesus’ mother must have been tempted too, “There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man” (1 Corinthians 10:13). Woman is part of mankind. Temptation is common to man. Consequently, Mary would at least have suffered a similar temptation as Jesus did.
When Muslims invoke Allah’s name upon having sexual intercourse their offspring will not be harmed by the devil, just like Jesus (Bukhari and Muslim).
The touch of the devil upon every newly born (Bukhari and Muslim) is specifically a pinch.


“And he that was dead sat up, and began to speak … there came a fear on all: and they glorified God, saying, That a great prophet is risen up among us; and, That God hath visited his people” (Luke 7:16).


Therefore, Jesus is only a prophet from God and cannot be God according to the Bible.


This is how Jesus (u, peace be upon him) described himself, “A prophet is not without honour, save in his own country, and in his own house” (Matthew 13:57).


This is also how the people perceived him (u) to be, “And the multitude said, This is Jesus the prophet of Nazareth of Galilee” (Matthew 21:11); “Then those men, when they had seen the miracle that Jesus did, said, This is of a truth that prophet that should come into the world” (John 6:14).


Any way one looks at this will find either reasonable explanation in that Jesus was a human prophet and not God. Or else, God would have sent himself to the people and then described himself as being a prophet, from God, who is visiting his people!


“They have not known the Father, nor me” (John 16:3).


In the Bible, Jesus is called the son many tens of times, and the Father is referred to as distinct from the son also many tens of times. The Bible never claimed that the Father and the son are equal or the same or sharing a divine nature or whatever the Christians may claim about them.


Several dozen times, Jesus, the alleged son, and the Father are mentioned in the same verse such as John 16:3, where Jesus says, “They have not known the Father, nor me.”


Jesus distinguished himself from the Father, instead of saying, ‘…they have not known me, nor me.’ And again, what happened to the Holy Ghost here, why did not Jesus mention him here again, since the Holy Ghost is also a Christian God?


“But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom” (Hebrews 1:8).


Key-Word: Twinity! Why does the Holy Ghost keep getting missing or ignored? Here, it seems whoever authored this chapter is claiming that Jesus is not only the son, but also the God of God. In addition, it seems that here, God talks to himself and says to himself that ‘thy’ throne is for-ever. Thus, the son is actually God, so we are told, or is it the other way around, God is the son, since the Father calls his son, ‘God’ and tells him information he already knows since the son is God, so we are told?


Hebrews 1:1-2: “God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets. Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds.” This is rather confusing! If Jesus is God, then where did the son come from and why would God appoint himself the heir of all things. Did not Paul say, “But to us there is but one God, the Father” (1 Corinthians 8:6)? Did not Jesus say, “The Father is greater than I” (John 14:28)?


How can God who is greater than the son be at the same time the son who is lesser than the Father who is supposed to be one God but is actually three gods? The Bible says Jesus is not God: “And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all” (1 Corinthians 15:28); “I live by the Father” (John 6:57); “I can of mine own self do nothing” (John 5:30).


“But he continued, ‘You are from below; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world” (John 8:23).


Christians celebrate this text which they claim proves Jesus is God since he came down from his Father, God, who is also not of this world.


However, this would also make the disciples of Jesus gods since they too are out of this world, “If ye were of the world, the world would love its own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you” (John 15:19).


John 17:14 & 16 explicitly state that the disciples are just like Jesus, in that, “I have given to them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world ... They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.”


Therefore, if Jesus is God because he is not of the world, then the disciples too are gods since they are not of the world.


Jesus said to the Jews, "But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham" (John 8:40).


If Jesus is God, why would he say that he heard from God instead of saying, ‘I heard from me; I said’? In verse 43, the Jews said to Jesus, “We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.” Thus, as usual, the Jews thought that they are the children of God. They still claim the same and quote their OT which they mostly wrote with their own hands.


The Christians made a discount. Instead of making all of the Jews the children of God, they cut the number down to one!


If Jesus is God, why would he protest the intent of the Jews to kill him? God does not die, as the Bible states. Also, if he was sent to die for the sins of Christians, why would he discourage instead of encourage the Jews to kill him?


“Hast thou not known? hast thou not heard, that the everlasting God, the LORD, the Creator of the ends of the earth, fainteth not, neither is weary?” (Isaiah 40:28).


The Bible says Jesus is not God: “Then cometh Jesus with them unto a place called Gethsemane, and saith unto the disciples, Sit ye here, while I go and pray yonder. And he took with him Peter and the two sons of Zebedee, and began to be sorrowful and very heavy. Then saith he unto them, My soul is exceeding sorrowful, even unto death: tarry ye here, and watch with me. And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me ... the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.” (Matthew 26:36-46)


Jesus prayed to God not to himself and fell to the ground like Muslims do when they pray. Jesus was weary, fatigued and afraid. God never feels weary or afraid; Jesus is not God. This segment also claims that Jesus wanted out of the game which Christians claim he was sent to play; he sought a way out of drinking from the cup Christians claim he was sent to drink from. Jesus did not seem to be a willing partner in all of this.


Matthew 26 contains a dreadful account of God supposedly being spat on, smacked and mocked, and paraded before the Jews. How dreadful of anyone to think so little of God so that they fulfill their fantastic dream that they can sin all they desire and let someone die for their sin?


“For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God” (Exodus 34:14).


Just like the Quran, the Old Testament consistently and clearly prohibited worshipping anything and anyone, except Allah, Alone, without partners, such as in Exodus 20:3-5 & 23; Deuteronomy 13:1-11 and 17:2-7, etc.


Jesus only worshipped God, not himself, “And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me” (Matthew 26:39); he called to the worship of God, not of himself, “And he said unto them, When ye pray, say, Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name” (Luke 11:2).


“Now when the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the earthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying, Truly this was the Son of God” (Matthew 27:54).


Christians dwell on the NT term ‘Son of God’ and claim divinity for Jesus, capitalizing or lowercasing whatever they wish from their Word of God: Jesus is the Son of God, with a capital letter; someone else is the son of God, a mere lower case.
But, Jesus did not speak English or in capital letters and the Bible does not make such a distinction.
Christians cannot bring any Biblical sentence saying that the son of god that is Jesus is not similar to the son of God that is Adam as Luke 3:38 describes Adam.


The ‘Son of God’ is synonymous to a ‘righteous person’:

“The centurion ... praised God and said, ‘Surely this was a righteous man” (Luke 23:47).
“Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God” (1 John 4:7)
Exodus 4:22 called Israel (Jacob) “My son, even my firstborn.”
Psalms 89:26-27 on David, “He shall cry unto me, Thou art my father, my God … Also I will make him my firstborn.”
Jesus being the son of God indicates an honor he shares with many others, such as Ya`qub (Jacob; Israel u) (Exodus 4:22); Sulaiman (Solomon u) (1 Chronicles 22:10); Ephraim (Jeremiah 31:9); and so forth.
Without proof, Christians want us to believe that the Son of God is not the same as the son of God.


"For in him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or authorities-all things were created through him and for him. He is before all things, and in him all things hold together” (Colossians 1:16-17).


This forged statement, even if we take it as being authentic, does not mean Jesus is God. To the contrary, this verse asserts that things were made for Jesus, not that he made them.


One should read the entire first Colossians chapter which clearly differentiates between the Father and the son, thanking the Father for his bounties and praying to him but not to the son; Paul said, “We give thanks to God and the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, praying always for you” (Colossians 1:3). Paul gave thanks to God and the Father of Christ, not to Jesus. Therefore, Jesus is neither God nor the Father. Paul said these words about Jesus, “Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature” (Colossians 1:15). Even Paul said that Jesus is a creature, meaning, created.


“When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory … Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world" (Matthew 25:31 & 34).


How can this prove the divinity of Jesus, if even on the Day of Resurrection Jesus will be referring to God as his Father, the one who gives the blessings as compared to Jesus, the one who delivers the news of the Father giving the blessings?


The perfect unity we were promised by Christianity never materialized, not when Jesus was alive as a man, since he died after giving up the ghost but neither God nor the Holy Ghost died, and not in the Hereafter, for Jesus will even then refer to his ‘Father’ as an absent person, a different person.


If Jesus is God, Matthew 25:31 & 34 would read like this, “When the Son of man shall come in his glory he will then sit upon the throne of his glory and say, ‘Come, O, blessed of me.’”


Even then, the Holy Ghost is nowhere to be heard of or seen. Key-Word: Twinity.


“Go ye therefore, and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them into the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit” (Matthew 28:19)


Here is an example of corrupted texts altered to mean Trinity; the very same statement is mentioned drastically differently in two ‘inspired’ Gospels. The first is mentioned above. Here is the second, “And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature” (Mark 16:15).


Two conflicting accounts of the same statement contradict each other, as well as, contradicting a truthful statement uttered by Jesus (u) wherein he clearly asserted that he was not sent to all of mankind, “I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel” (Matthew 15:24). Even in English, ‘but’ means ‘but’!


Even though many Christian scholars doubt the authenticity of Matthew 28:19 as a corruption added later to the Bible, it still does not support the divinity of Jesus. Yet, let us suppose that Matthew 28:19 is true. Where does this verse say that the three mentioned in it are God, equal, three in one, so that one may claim that it establishes Jesus as God? This verse, if it were true, only establishes baptism rites, it does not establish Jesus as God.








Other Biblical Verses Allegedly Saying Jesus is God


“According to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace to you and peace be multiplied. Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ” (1 Peter 1:2-3).


These two verses do not even say that God is three or that Jesus or the Spirit is God. Rather, they say that God is the Father, the God of Jesus. If Jesus is God, then God is the God of God. These two verses used three different terms to describe the Christian God, son of God and Holy Ghost.


“Looking for the blessed hope and appearing of the glory of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ” (Titus 2:13).


This verse describes Jesus as being God using the term ‘theos’ also used to describe both the devil and The God in another verse 2 Corinthians 4:4. Theos does not only mean God, it also means gods and goddesses, teachers, etc.!


Also, the authenticity of Titus is disputed among Christians as they bicker with each other regarding who really wrote it, when and why (http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/14727b.htm; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authorship_of_the_Pauline_epistles).


“Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost … thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God” (Acts 5:3-4).


This verse does not mention the Father or the son.
If Ananias lied to God, he lied to the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost, all three of the Christian Triune, not only to the Holy Ghost.
Ananias lied to Peter. Does this mean Peter is the Holy Ghost?
The same word used for God here, ‘theos’ is the same word used to describe Satan and others in the Bible, “In whom the god (Ho Theos; Satan) of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God (Ho Theos), should shine unto them” (2 Corinthians 4:4).
1 Samuel 12:1 & 13, stated, “And Samuel said unto all Israel, Behold … I have made a king over you … the LORD hath set a king over you.” If the Holy Ghost is God because of Acts 5:3-4, then, Samuel is God because of 1 Samuel 12:1 & 13.


Peter said, “Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ” (Acts 2:36).


How can anyone use this verse to prove Jesus is God? If Jesus is God, he would not be made Lord and Christ, something he already is from eternity. He also would not be made Lord and Christ by God, if Jesus is God, unless Peter was actually saying, “God has made that same God both God and God.”


This verse also contradicts the argument that Jesus would sometimes be Jesus the human not Jesus the divine, because it speaks of Jesus being both Lord and Christ. Both does not mean sometimes, because he is both Lord and Christ at the same time, so the Bible says.


Other NT verses explain Acts 2:36: “Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you” (Acts 2:22). Jesus is not God; God granted him these things. Peter said: “Unto you first God, having raised up his Servant” (Acts 3:26).


These verses clearly establish Jesus as a prophet not divine, a servant to Allah, an ‘`Abd’, whose miracles he performed were given to him by God.


“And he could there do no mighty work, save that he laid his hands upon a few sick folk, and healed them” (Mark 6:5).


Mark would want us to believe that Jesus could not do miracles in his own town. May be Jesus the human had not by then mastered switching between Jesus the man and Jesus the divine. Mark also tells about a blind man who was not healed after the first attempt. Jesus had to try a second time to cure his blindness (Mark 8:22-26).


Jesus is not divine. Healing was supposed to originate from the divine, not the human, to impress mankind. Since the divine grants this power to the human, the failure of the human is failure for the divine. Either Jesus the human was infringing on his other divine Jesus’ rights by trying to heal without full support from his other divine self. Or else, Jesus the divine failed.


Muslims believe Allah granted Jesus miracles to heal the blind and the leprous; his true miracles are not contested here. What is contested is Christians alleging a different status for Jesus than he deserved, they claim he is divine for doing what all prophets were granted from Allah.


“O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was” (John 17:5).


According to the Bible, Jesus is not God, since he was addressing another person whom he called ‘Father’, who gave Jesus glory.


If Jesus is the lord of eternal glory, why did he not say, ‘O, my-self; I glorified myself before the world was.’ It must be that split personality again. Why would Jesus address himself, if he is God, instead of simply saying, ‘I am God; I sent me; I gave me power; I gave me glory’?


”God spake unto Moses, and said … I am Jehovah. and I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, as God Almighty; but by my name Jehovah I was not known to them.” (Exodus 6:2-3).


Where did the other names of God come from: If God’s name is Yahweh and this is the name he made known to the prophets, then where did God, Jesus, the Lord, the Holy Ghost, Adoni, the Father, the son come from?













The Validity of the Bible as an Authentic Resource



First, the Bible, which this debate seeks to prove it affirms or rejects the divinity of Jesus, is a unique source to use and rely on, to say the least. This book, that people call the Bible, was compiled over the span of several thousand years. Why is it then that there is NOT a single direct quote from God, the Holy Ghost or Jesus himself, identifying Jesus as the true God or a member of the Christian Holy Trinity? Why did not God simply reveal these secrets to mankind so that they know how to worship Him? Why did He hide from His creation His true identity and his alleged multiple personalities or manifestations? Why did He hide from them that He has or will have a son who is also God, that there is a Triune Council consisting of Him and His son and the Holy Ghost, whatever ‘ghost’ means? Why did He not send His son to die in the beginning of creation so that all of the Children of Adam, including Adam and all the prophets and countless generations that came before Jesus, know what the true faith is and how to save them-selves from God’s Anger in the Hereafter? Why did God keep this vital information hidden even from His own Prophets who were supposed to guide mankind to the true guidance and the true faith?


Adam, who was in heaven and had direct contact with God, never spoke of Jesus being God, nor told his children about his encounters with the Triune Council one of whom is called, ‘Jesus’. Adam spoke directly to Allah (God). Adam never reported meeting the other two gods of Christianity, Jesus and the Holy Ghost; he never said he met God the Jesus; he never said anything similar to what we hear from Christianity or Christians.


Noah never told his children about God consisting of the Father, the Son (with a capital letter) and the Holy Ghost; he said nothing about Jesus being God; he never said anything similar to what we hear from Christianity or Christians.


Abraham never knew God as Christians know Him. Abraham never gave a lecture to anyone where he repeated the point-of-view mankind hears from Christians. It seems that Abraham knew less about God than Christians do. Where did Abraham ever hint that God is Jesus, or ever referred to a Triune Council or that God has or will have a son? Abraham never said anything similar to what we hear from Christianity or Christians.


Did Israel (Ya`qub) ever say what Christians say about God? Did Moses ever describe God as Christians do? Did Jesus ever give his disciples any information or news similar to what mankind has been hearing from Christianity? They never said anything similar to what we hear from Christianity or Christians.


Why did not God just let people know the way to salvation in clear terms? What about those who came before Jesus, why are they condemned even though God never told them the truth, as Christians would have us believe, since the OT says nothing about other than one God, nothing about that One God being three in essence?


We know from Christianity that God already punished mankind and stained them because of a sin they did not commit. This is the doomsday news Christianity has for mankind: You all are ****ed because Adam made a mistake. Those who came before Jesus are in far worse shape than those who were his contemporaries or those who came after him, since those who came before him lived and died unknowing what the true faith is, since God did not reveal to them the true faith in clear terms.


Why did God wait many centuries before revealing John 1:1, which should have been Genesis 1:1, and Genesis should have been revealed to Adam the first human so that he knows and then transfers the knowledge that God is actually three, or even better, two gods: John 1:1 talks about two Gods, the Holy Ghost is nowhere to be mentioned in this verse which Christians somehow use as proof to Trinity.


Dozens, possibly hundreds of people compiled the numerous books contained in the so-called Bible. We are told they were inspired to write what they wrote. However, why were they not inspired to identify themselves? Do we really know for certainty who wrote anything in the Bible, let alone use it as evidence for anything? Christendom is challenged to produce a single exact replica of any page in the Bible? Does mankind know who really wrote the books contained in the Bible? Habakkuk: Who wrote the chapter bearing his name, what is his real name; what is his trustworthiness; in what time-frame did he write this book; what language did he write it in; who copied it; who authorized them to copy it, and how accurate were they in copying it; who are the witnesses who reported the stories contained in this book and how reliable are they?


A Christian master tactician will answer these questions by dancing around them then certainly fail to offer a true clear answer. One will hear tens of minutes of arguments on who could have written what section, who Habakkuk is thought to be, what is the probable date of his writing whatever part of the book popularly ascribed to him. Endless ‘may be’; ‘could be’; ‘probably’; ‘it is thought’; ‘it is said’; and so forth, will be the answer.


Christendom and Judaism do not have a single authentic chain of narration leading to any part of their Holy Books: They inherited books written by numerous authors of unknown trustworthiness and took whatever they found in these books as their creed, a creed based on doubt and suspicion. Christians and Jews have no certain knowledge about any part of any book contained in their Holy Books. This is why mankind should vigorously question the validity of the source itself where Jesus is claimed to have been proclaimed as being God.


Jesus never said he is God or demanded he be worshipped. Some Christians answer this clear challenge by saying that had Jesus said that he is God, the people would not have accepted his statement and would have accused him of blasphemy. This answer is unbelievable. God cannot even say to his own creation that he is God, fearing they will not believe him and call him a blasphemer! Is this why he did not say he is God?


If Christians could fearlessly claim Jesus is God, even though they cannot produce a single statement from Jesus where he clearly says he is God, how can they say that God could not reveal himself to his creation because people would not have believed him! Why did Jesus come to begin with? Did he not come to reveal himself to mankind that he is God, as Christians claim? This is rather confusing. Jesus never said he is God. Christians believe he is God. But, they say he did not say he is God, because people would not have believed he is God. Therefore, Christians admit that Jesus never said he is God, yet they still insist he is.



Key-Word: Twinity!


The title of this debate seems to emphasize ‘Twinity’, since it does not seem rather pressing or important for Christians to also prove that the Holy Ghost is also Jesus and also God, a concept which Muslims and Jews also reject as furiously as they reject the claimed divinity of Jesus. We seek refuge with Allah from disbelief.


I ask the Creator of all things to guide Christians to the true faith that they may finally come to know who Jesus really is, a human prophet from Allah, human, not divine. All thanks and praises are due to Allah, and may Allah’s peace and blessings be on all of His Prophets, starting with Adam and including Nu`h (Noah), Ibrahim (Abraham), Musa (Moses), and `Esa (Jesus), and ending with Allah’s Final and Last Prophet and Messenger Prophet Muhammad.


Jalal Abualrub
 
what i don't understand is why would God tell people that He is one for centuries and then with the coming of Jesus this supposedly changed and became three-in-one.

If it were true that God was made of three (Jesus, God, and the Holy Ghost) don't you think that the prophets before Jesus would have preached about it too? But in the scriptures revealed before Jesus there is nothing about the trinity. In the OT it is written simple: ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord’ (Deuteronomy 6:4).’

What do Christians say about this?
 
what i don't understand is why would God tell people that He is one for centuries and then with the coming of Jesus this supposedly changed and became three-in-one.

If it were true that God was made of three (Jesus, God, and the Holy Ghost) don't you think that the prophets before Jesus would have preached about it too? But in the scriptures revealed before Jesus there is nothing about the trinity. In the OT it is written simple: ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord’ (Deuteronomy 6:4).’

What do Christians say about this?


First -- Jesus is the human earthly aspect of God the Son. But while God the Son is preexistant, Jesus is not. The human Jesus only came into existence in Mary's womb, when God (the Son) became incarnated in her. So, at that point God took on flesh with all of its limitation, but it would not be appropriate to work backwards to look for Jesus prior to his conception.

Second -- this does not mean that God has not always been Father, Son, and Spirit. Indeed we would hold that God has always existed in Trinity even if people have not always been aware of that truth.

Third -- the teaching of the oneness of God is still the essential message of the Christian faith when speaking of the Trinity. Indeed, the emphasis of the three-in-one nature of God is not on the three persons as individuals, for they are not separate beings, but on the oneness of those three persons as one divine being.

Fourth -- It is not true that in the scriptures revealed before Jesus that there is nothing that might speak to the concepts of the Trinity. Christianity did not invent this idea but actually adopted it from that which was already present in Judaism. They may not have been as fully articulated in the Old Testament as they would eventually become articulated by the Church, but they were present in the personification of the divine Word and of the Spirit of God that one does indeed find in the Old Testament. And yet no one accused the Jews of being ploytheists. This is because the Jews (and the Christians like them) don't understand this as the creating of additional gods but more as distinct expressions of the essence of the one God.

Fifth -- I doubt that anyone who accepts the existence of God would have any argument with the Christian understanding of the Holy Spirit if it were not linked to the Christian understanding of the divinity of the man Jesus. Thus, I don't really think that the Trinity is the issue as much as what another poster here has called the Twinity.
 
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Grace Seeker, Thanktyou for your reply.

The coming of Jesus would be a very important event if it were really as you say (which we muslims don't believe). In that case, God would have told from the beginning of time, from the very first revelation, about Jesus, etc as you believe. But although God informs Abraham that He will make a great nation through his progeny and He will raise prophets among his progeny, nowhere does God inform mankind about the coming of Jesus.

don't you think God would have informed mankind about Jesus? If God didn't inform anyone about the coming of Jesus in former scriptures, then don't you think that it might not be as you believe? That Jesus might not be a part of God but a mere human being as the muslims believe?
 
Grace Seeker, Thanktyou for your reply.

The coming of Jesus would be a very important event if it were really as you say (which we muslims don't believe). In that case, God would have told from the beginning of time, from the very first revelation, about Jesus, etc as you believe. But although God informs Abraham that He will make a great nation through his progeny and He will raise prophets among his progeny, nowhere does God inform mankind about the coming of Jesus.

don't you think God would have informed mankind about Jesus? If God didn't inform anyone about the coming of Jesus in former scriptures, then don't you think that it might not be as you believe? That Jesus might not be a part of God but a mere human being as the muslims believe?


You're welcome. I am happy to take the time for any who seek to understand where Christians are coming from with regard to these issues.

With regard to your next post: you ask many questions, each of which might be an extended answer in its own right. However, I shall try to keep my answers relatively short (at least for me), yet address each of them in turn.

1) Do I think God would have informed mankind about Jesus?

I believe that God did indeed make his purposes known all the way back in the garden itself:
Genesis 3
14 So the LORD God said to the serpent, "Because you have done this,
"Cursed are you above all the livestock
and all the wild animals!
You will crawl on your belly
and you will eat dust
all the days of your life.

15 And I will put enmity
between you and the woman,
and between your offspring and hers;
he will crush your head,
and you will strike his heel."

Christians understand this passage as a forshadowing of the cross.

Christians also understand Isaiah 7:14, "Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel", as speaking of the coming Messiah. Since Christians believe that Jesus is the Messiah that this verse is speaking of, and since the word "Immanuel" means "God with us," it is also one of the reasons that we believe what we do about Jesus.

There are many other prophecies regarding the Messiah in the Tanakh -- the location of his birth, his heritage, the way he would be treated and the things he would accomplish to name a few -- (though today's Jews disagree with us) many first century Jews and all first century Christians believed that these were met in the person of Jesus.


2) If God didn't inform anyone about the coming of Jesus in former scriptures, then don't you think that it might not be as you believe?

I disagree with your assumption that God didn't inform anyone about the coming of Jesus in former scriptures. (Just look above.) Now, if you mean that God didn't mention Jesus by name, different story. Of course, since Jesus is just the Greek form of the Hebrew name Joshua (probably pronounced Yeshua in Aramaic) which mean "the Lord saves", and God did indeed repeatedly promise to save his people, I would also have a hard time agreeing with the idea that Jesus isn't mentioned.


3) That Jesus might not be a part of God but a mere human being as the muslims believe?

I think this belief that Muslims hold is NOT founded in a belief about whether or not Jesus' coming was previously mentioned in scriptures. Muslims have no problem accepting that Jesus was a prophet, even though they don't believe his coming was fortold. It is the role of incarnate diety that Christians assign to Jesus which Muslims have trouble accepting. But for the Christian, Jesus (as John's gospel declares, John 1:1-14) is the very embodiment of the word of God and we see that spoken of in verses such as these:
Isaiah 55

3 Give ear and come to me;
hear me, that your soul may live.
I will make an everlasting covenant with you,
my faithful love promised to David.

4 See, I have made him a witness to the peoples,
a leader and commander of the peoples.

5 Surely you will summon nations you know not,
and nations that do not know you will hasten to you,
because of the LORD your God,
the Holy One of Israel,
for he has endowed you with splendor."

6 Seek the LORD while he may be found;
call on him while he is near.

7 Let the wicked forsake his way
and the evil man his thoughts.
Let him turn to the LORD, and he will have mercy on him,
and to our God, for he will freely pardon.

8 "For my thoughts are not your thoughts,
neither are your ways my ways,"
declares the LORD.

9 "As the heavens are higher than the earth,
so are my ways higher than your ways
and my thoughts than your thoughts.

10 As the rain and the snow
come down from heaven,
and do not return to it
without watering the earth
and making it bud and flourish,
so that it yields seed for the sower and bread for the eater,

11 so is my word that goes out from my mouth:
It will not return to me empty,
but will accomplish what I desire

This is yet another place where we Christians see Jesus spoken of in advance of his coming. Further, as the word of God, Jesus does indeed accomplish what we Christians understand God desires, that is, in accordance with other prophecies, he fulfills this scripture:
Luke 4

18"The Spirit of the Lord is on me,
because he has anointed me
to preach good news to the poor.
He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners
and recovery of sight for the blind,
to release the oppressed,
19to proclaim the year of the Lord's favor."

The above passage has Jesus referring to Isaiah 61 and applying it to himself. Freedom, release, recovery of sight and the year of the Lord's favor -- these are all things that we Christians believe that Jesus accomplished, not as a mere teacher sent from God, but as God who came to be with us, "that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting men's sins against them" (2 Corinthians 5:19).


So, while Jews and Muslims both believe in the promise of the Messiah, and Muslims even believe that Jesus is this promised Messiah, it seems that they don't see the same Messianic prophecies that Christians do with regard to how Jesus fulfills them and how this actually is revealed to us in advance, at least for those who had eyes to see and ears to hear what the Spirit says to the church.
 
I don't understand how you can think that Luke 4 shows that God came to be with you because it clearly says "He has sent me" which shows that Jesus and god are two separate beings.

We muslims do believe in the miracles that Jesus performed as they are mentioned in the Quraan but we believe that Jesus was a human being and performed the miracles with the permission of God.

Below are the verses from the Quraan that contain the story of Jesus (Isa A.S):


Then came the time, when the angels said (to Mary), “O Mary, Allah has exalted you and purified you and chosen you for His service in preference to all the women of the world. O Mary, be obedient to your Lord, prostrate yourself before Him and bow down with those who bow down in worship.”

(O Muhammad,) these are the “unseen” things We are revealing to you: you were not present when they were casting lots by throwing their quills to decide which of them should be the guardian of Mary; nor were you with them when they were arguing about it.

And remember when the angels said, “O Mary, Allah sends you the good news of a Command of His: his name shall be Messiah, Jesus son of Mary. He will be highly honored in this world and in the Next World and he will be among those favored by Allah. He will speak to the people alike in the cradle and when grown up, and he will be among the righteous.” Hearing this (Mary) said, “How, o Lord, shall I have a son, when no man has ever touched me?”
“Thus shall it be,” was the answer. Allah creates whatever He wills. When He decrees a thing, He only says, “Be” and it is. (Continuing their message, the angels added,) “And Allah will teach him the Book and wisdom, and give him the knowledge of the Torah and the Gospel, and appoint him as His Messenger to the children of Israel.”

(And when he came as a Messenger to the children of Israel, he said,) “I have come to you with a clear Sign from your Lord: in your very presence, I make the likeness of a bird out of clay and breathe into it and it becomes, by Allah’s Command, a bird. I heal those born blind and the lepers and I bring to life the dead by Allah’s Command; I inform you of what you eat and what you store up in your houses. Surely there is a great Sign for you in all this, if you have mind to believe. And I have come to confirm those teachings of the Guidance of the Torah which are intact in my time. Lo! I have come with a clear Sign from your Lord; so fear Allah and obey me. Indeed Allah is my Lord, and also your Lord; therefore worship Him alone: that is the straight way.” (The Holy Quraan, chapter Aali-Imran, English translation of verses 42 – 51).


And (O Muhammad,) relate in this Book the story of Mary: how she had retired in seclusion from her people to the eastern side and had hung down a screen to hide herself from them. There We sent to her Our Spirit (“an angel”) and he appeared before her in the form of a perfect man.

(Mary) cried out involuntarily, “I seek God’s refuge from you, if you are a pious man.”

He replied, “I am a mere messenger from your Lord and have been sent to give you a pure son.”

(Mary) said, “How can I bear a son, when no man has touched me, and I am not an unchaste woman?”

The angel replied, “So shall it be. Your Lord says, ‘this is an easy thing for Me to do, and We will do so in order to make that boy a Sign for the people and a blessing from Us, and this must happen’.”

Accordingly, (Mary) conceived the child, and with it she went away to a distant place. Then the throes of childbirth urged her to take shelter under a date palm. There she began to cry, “Oh! Would that I had died before this and sunk into oblivion.” At this the angel at the foot of her bed consoled her, saying, “grieve not at all, for your Lord has set a spring under you; as for your food, shake the trunk of this tree and fresh, ripe dates will fall down for you; so eat and drink and refresh your eyes; and if you see a man, say to him, ‘As I have vowed to observe the fast (of silence) for the sake of the Merciful, I will not speak to anyone today’.”

Then she brought the child to her people. They said, “O Mary! This is a heinous sin that you have committed. O sister of Aaron! Your father was not a wicked man, nor was your mother an unchaste woman.”

(In answer to this) Mary merely pointed towards the infant. The people said, “How shall we talk with him, who is but an infant in the cradle?”

Whereupon the child spoke out, “I am a servant of Allah: He has given me the Book and He has appointed me a Prophet, and He has made me blessed wherever I may be. He has enjoined upon me to offer Salat (prayer) and to give Zakat (charity) so long as I shall live. He has made me dutiful to my mother, and He has not made me oppressive and hard-hearted. Peace be upon me on the day I was born and peace shall be on me on the day I die and on the day I am raised to life.”

This is Jesus, the son of Mary, and this is the truth about him concerning which they are in doubt. It does not behove God to beget a son for He is far above this. When He decrees a thing, He only says, “Be,” and it does come into being.

(And Jesus had declared) “Allah is my Lord and your Lord, so worship Him; this is the Right Way.” But in spite of this, the sects began to have differences among themselves. So those who adopted the ways of disbelief shall suffer a horrible woe, when they witness the Great Day. On that Day when they shall appear before Us, their ears and their eyes shall become very sharp, but today these transgressors (neither hear nor see the Truth and) have strayed into manifest deviation. (O Muhammad,) now that these people are not paying heed and are not believing, warn them of the horrors of the Day, when judgment shall be passed, and they will have nothing left for them but vain regret. Ultimately, We will inherit the Earth and all that is on it, and everyone shall be returned to Us. (the Holy Quraan, Chapter Maryam Verses 16 – 40 (English Translation).
 
Dear Follower:

Rather than simply repeating your religious traditions, please provide the evidence from the Bible that supports your assertion that Jesus was fully God.

Regards,
Grenville

Jesus, if he ever existed at all, would be some hybrid chimera. God does not need chimeras to speak for him.

To think that God, one species, would uses a lower species to reproduce a chimera, is like saying that man can use a dog to reproduce and that the chimera dog should rule the purebreds. Too foolish to contemplate. Bestiality does not run in God's family tree.

Regards
DL
 
Dear Greatest I am:

You should not try to define Jesus outside of what has been explicitly revealed about Him in Scripture. Anything else is speculative opinion.

Regards,
Grenville

You go ahead and believe explicitly what a book that begins with a talking snake and ends with a seven headed monsters tells you is truth. Yes indeed, truth that this book only has truth.

Let me know when you find the talking snake.

Regards
DL
 
Just to tell you "Greatest" this thread is about "Biblical evidence that describes Jesus as God?" . Use biblical evedince rather then just emotional out bursts which are leading this thread off topic.
 

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