Why not ban full veil, says French government spokesman

[AntiKarateKid]

It's extreme, at least from the western point of view, the same as refusing to shake hands with the opposite sex for instance, if your grandpa is like that, he's extreme. The former UK communities minister Blears refused to attend an islam meeting because one of the participants wouldn't shake her hand. I think she did the right thing.
We don't need extreme Muslims here (Europe). Go to Yemen or the US.

And here I was thinking that the "west" prided itself on freedom and whatnot. But a person is unwelcome in the country because of how they want to interact with the other sex eh?

Your view of sex relations has turned so many women in the west into simple sex objects. Check out the dresses of the women in the entertainment magazines, for example.

And again, drop the word extreme. It has no meaning other than "Islam that you don't like".

 

[Whatsthepoint]

And here I was thinking that the "west" prided itself on freedom and whatnot. But a person is unwelcome in the country because of how they want to interact with the other sex eh?

Your view of sex relations has turned so many women in the west into simple sex objects. Check out the dresses of the women in the entertainment magazines, for example.

And again, drop the word extreme. It has no meaning other than "Islam that you don't like".

Well we should stop priding ourselves then. And the freedom to practice foreign cultures is still great with the burqa banned or not.

 

[AntiKarateKid]

Yes.
I don't want a new branch of Islam to be created in europe, just less practicing Muslims, more secular Muslims etc. I want the same for christians, Jews, Hinuds or any other religion.

So you want us to abandon our religion? Personally, none of my relatives wear the burka but now I see your real point.

Underneath your pretenses of freedom and what you see as "modernization" you just want to see us leave Islam. Ever wonder where all these conspiracy theories of the West vs Islam come from?

From people like you.

 

[aamirsaab]

More ''secularist'' bs. More hypocritical standards. More crap in general.

 

[AntiKarateKid]

Well we should stop priding ourselves then. And the freedom to practice foreign cultures is still great with the burqa banned or not.

Freedom for some, not all huh? Who decides who gets left out? Where is the line?

The fact is that you are a new type of "extremist". Slowly but surely trying to eliminate the lifestyle of those you disagree with. But instead of bombs, you do it in a more subtle and deceptive way.

Ever see "V for Vendetta"? People like you would have Britain become like that.

 

[Whatsthepoint]

So you want us to abandon our religion? Personally, none of my relatives wear the burka but now I see your real point.

Underneath your pretenses of freedom and what you see as "modernization" you just want to see us leave Islam. Ever wonder where all these conspiracy theories of the West vs Islam come from?

From people like you.

I expect overly religious people to move. Radical evangelicals can move to Tenessee, radical Muslims can moe to Somalia.

 

[Layla454]

France has actually adopted secularism as their religion which is ironic, considering they despise religion

 

[AntiKarateKid]

I expect overly religious people to move. Radical evangelicals can move to Tenessee, radical Muslims can moe to Somalia.

What about overly secular? As if secularism is by its definition good.

Moreover, what bull is that? They aren't hurting anyone. If they want to attack smeone then sure. But just for doing that? You're a cultural facist.

 

[S_87]

Yes.
I don't want a new branch of Islam to be created in europe, just less practicing Muslims, more secular Muslims etc. I want the same for christians, Jews, Hinuds or any other religion.

well thats not gonna happen, muslims arent muslims for you or your sake

seculars=sell outs

 

[Whatsthepoint]

Freedom for some, not all huh? Who decides who gets left out? Where is the line?

The fact is that you are a new type of "extremist". Slowly but surely trying to eliminate the lifestyle of those you disagree with. But instead of bombs, you do it in a more subtle and deceptive way.

Ever see "V for Vendetta"? People like you would have Britain become like that.

I decide where the line is. Or in case of France, the president and the parliament. And don't talk to me about lines, your religion has them too.
All I want is to keep europe a fairly free continent for everyone, perserve multiculturalism etc, also by discriminating against certain intolerant groups of people, such as radical religionists, nazis etc.

 

[Foxhole]

And here I was thinking that the "west" prided itself on freedom and whatnot. But a person is unwelcome in the country because of how they want to interact with the other sex eh?

Your view of sex relations has turned so many women in the west into simple sex objects. Check out the dresses of the women in the entertainment magazines, for example.

And again, drop the word extreme. It has no meaning other than "Islam that you don't like".

They look like objects to you because they are objects to you.

Not to me. A woman should be free to dress as she pleases, and most women want to look attractive. Who am I to deny her that right? Who are you to deny her that right? Who is anybody to deny her that right?

Do you like dressing modestly? Good for you. Feel free. Dress modestly. But don't call women "objects".

 

[AntiKarateKid]

They look like objects to you because they are objects to you.
Not to me. A woman should be free to dress as she pleases, and most women want to look attractive. Who am I to deny her that right? Who are you to deny her that right? Who is anybody to deny her that right?

Do you like dressing modestly? Good for you. Feel free. Dress modestly. But don't call women "objects".

Hardly. I'll do this point by point.

1. They look like objects because what the hell do you think exposing half of your breast does to men? Make them appreciate their personality more? HA! Compare the dress of the porno star with some of the clothing regular people wear, see how close they're getting?

2. We are talking about what people SHOULD do. People are free to do whatever they want. They can go to the petting zoo anf find their new huspand or wife in the cages if they want. But what people SHOULD do is a different concept.

3. I call it as I see them. Go ahead, flaunt yourself infront of guys who arent your husband. But all they are is looking at your body. Not you as a person. You are an object to them, and you enjoy it. Get real. Who are you to deny my right of calling them objects?:rollseyes

 

[Whatsthepoint]

What about overly secular? As if secularism is by its definition good.

Moreover, what bull is that? They aren't hurting anyone. If they want to attack smeone then sure. But just for doing that? You're a cultural facist.

So are you, just in your case the fascism is religiously sanctioned.

 

[AntiKarateKid]

So are you, just in your case the fascism is religiously sanctioned.

Before I respond to this, give me an example.

 

[Whatsthepoint]

Before I respond to this, give me an example.

As I said before, you complains about lines being set, eventhough you religion has set lines for several social groups, you don't like the french saying what people should or should not wear, yet you have a very clear picture of how people should behave in an ideal society.

 

[AntiKarateKid]

As I said before, you complains about lines being set, eventhough you religion has set lines for several social groups, you don't like the french saying what people should or should not wear, yet you have a very clear picture of how people should behave in an ideal society.

Islamic guidlines such as prohibition of drink benefit the people. On the other hand, wearing a burka hardly causes harm.

 

[GuestFellow]

Yes.
I don't want a new branch of Islam to be created in europe, just less practicing Muslims, more secular Muslims etc. I want the same for christians, Jews, Hinuds or any other religion.

I'm afraid you will have to live with it. ^_^

 

[Whatsthepoint]

Islamic guidlines such as prohibition of drink benefit the people. On the other hand, wearing a burka hardly causes harm.

The prohibition of the burqa may help fight islamic radicalism for instace, so there is benefit. And that's not the point. the point is that you set the lines where you think they should be and coplain when others set them differently.

 

[AntiKarateKid]

I'm afraid you will have to live with it. ^_^

Indeed.

He it is Who has sent His Messenger with guidance and the religion of truth, that He may make it prevail over every other religion, even though the idolaters may resent it. Quran 9:32

 

[AntiKarateKid]

The prohibition of the burqa may help fight islamic radicalism for instace, so there is benefit. And that's not the point. the point is that you set the lines where you think they should be and coplain when others set them differently.

Where is your proof that it helps? Let the Muslims fight the "radicals". You have already admitted you want the whole religion to go away.

Person A: Guys good news! The West has gotten rid of the radicals!
Muslims: Huzzah!
Person A: Buuuut. We also want to get rid of ya too!
Muslims: Huzz- eh??