Why not ban full veil, says French government spokesman

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Yanoorah said:
That is so true, people like WTP are just terrified of People who look different. The lack tolerance he's displaying is proof enuff. Imagine if he was a judge, or a president, wudnt the world be doomed. He keeps going on n on about 'Freedom this Freedom that' but the truth is the only freedom he wants is that which suits him, n his like'minded peopl..everyone else is radical, backward, bla bla.:rollseyes
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Niqab itself is not a problem, only a handful of woen wear it, but it symbolyzes islamic radicalism or fundamentalism if you will and that is the real problem, as well as the growing number of Muslims in Europe.
 
Zafran said:
"33:59 O Prophet! say to your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers that they let down upon them their over-garments; this will be more proper, that they may be known, and thus they will not be given trouble; and Allah is Forgiving, Merciful." - 33-59.

This is the verse that is mostly used - The prophets wifes did wear the Niqab I believe (somebody can correct me with that).
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I ask about if the word hijab is in the Quran. I don't see that the words "over-garments" are the same as a jihab. Over-garments still does not say over her face. Also you have given me a Quran verse that is just another translate of the same ones that were given by ragdollcat1982.

I just would like to know, where in the Quran does it say a Woman has to cover from her head to her toes? And where in the Quran does it say that GOD said she has to cover like this? And is word Jihab in the Quran, and what's it's meaning in English? I think those are easy enough questions... :)

Thanks!
 
1.Homosexuality
2 Premarital sex
3. Dirt People or rabid enviomentalist
4. Vegans ( only the pushy ones)
5. Alcholics
6. Pitbulls
7. Liberals
This is just to name a few WTP of things I tolerate because they are a fact of life.
 
ragdollcat1982 said:
1.Homosexuality
2 Premarital sex
3. Dirt People or rabid enviomentalist
4. Vegans ( only the pushy ones)
5. Alcholics
6. Pitbulls
7. Liberals
This is just to name a few WTP of things I tolerate because they are a fact of life.
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Tolerate, what does that man? Do you just tolerate them or support related legislation, such as same-sex marriage?
 
Whatsthepoint said:
Tolerate, what does that man? Do you just tolerate them or support related legislation, such as same-sex marriage?
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I just tolerate them, but in the case of homosexuality and premarital sex I think both are wrong and will never accept them. There is a difference between tolerance and acceptance. Tolerance is to put up with while still dissapproving. I under no circumstances support same sex marriage. Marriage is between one man and one woman.
 
Iwant2no2 said:
I ask about if the word hijab is in the Quran. I don't see that the words "over-garments" are the same as a jihab. Over-garments still does not say over her face. Also you have given me a Quran verse that is just another translate of the same ones that were given by ragdollcat1982.

I just would like to know, where in the Quran does it say a Woman has to cover from her head to her toes? And where in the Quran does it say that GOD said she has to cover like this? And is word Jihab in the Quran, and what's it's meaning in English? I think those are easy enough questions... :)

Thanks!
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There are 2 undisputeable sources in Islamic law, one is the Qur'an, and the other is the Sunnah.

The Sunnah is the guidance revealed to Prophet Muhammad himself, what he did, what he said, and what he approved/disapproved of. His companions understood the religion in the best way, and they implemented it in the best way.

The female companions of Prophet Muhammad, including his wives and women folk wore loose clothing from head to toe. This has been an Islamic dress since the time of Prophet Muhammad, so that is the best guidance.


If you're in doubt about Prophet Muhammad's claim of being the Messenger of God, then i recommend you check this link;

http://www.islamreligion.com/category/118/




Peace.
 
ragdollcat1982 said:
I just tolerate them, but in the case of homosexuality and premarital sex I think both are wrong and will never accept them. There is a difference between tolerance and acceptance. Tolerance is to put up with while still dissapproving.
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In some sort of a public referendum would you vote for or against the legalisation of same-sex marriage?
 
Whatsthepoint said:
I don't know, it does.
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Ah....no reason I suppose.

It is if you want to keep Europe as a christian-secular continent.
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I don't mind if Europe remains a Christian-secular continent. I don't mind if there is a growing population of Christains in the Middle East.

People are worried about Muslims. There should be worried about recession, global warming and the fact that oil is running out.
 
Whatsthepoint said:
In some sort of a public referendum would you vote for or against the legalisation of same-sex marriage?
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I have voted on this matter. I voted in favor of keeping marriage as one man and one woman. In the USA marriage is left to the states. Some states allow gay marriage, most dont and have passed laws or amendments to their state constitution amendments keeping marriage in their respective states as one man and one woman. I am against gay marriage and will oppose laws that permit it.
 
Guestfellow said:
Ah....no reason I suppose.



I don't mind if Europe remains a Christian-secular continent. I don't mind if there is a growing population of Christains in the Middle East.

People are worried about Muslims. There should be worried about recession, global warming and the fact that oil is running out.
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You can't deny the burqa is a symbol, whenever there is talk of islamic oppression, the burqa is brought up and a lot of anti-islamic legislation in Europe thusfar has been in a way connected with it.
 
ragdollcat1982 said:
I have voted on this matter. I voted in favor of keeping marriage as one man and one woman. In the USA marriage is left to the states. Some states allow gay marriage, most dont and have passed laws or amendments to their state constitution amendments keeping marriage in their respective states as one man and one woman. I am against gay marriage and will oppose laws that permit it.
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How is that different from my opposition to burqa in public places?
 
Whatsthepoint said:
You can't deny the burqa is a symbol, whenever there is talk of islamic oppression, the burqa is brought up and a lot of anti-islamic legislation in Europe thusfar has been in a way connected with it.
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1) The issue of burqa being freedom or oppression is subjective. If they're so much for freedom and rights, why do they make accusations against women who choose to wear it willingly and force them to remove it?

2) Just because its been in the headlines all this time, that doesn't mean nothing. It just means its been in the headlines.

3) Anti Islamic legislation has even been against hijab, not just the burqa or niqab.
 
ragdollcat1982 said:
You are comparing apples and oranges and really starting to stray away from the topic. God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve if one looks at it from a religious prespective.
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Good made people with face, and he made them naked!
And it's not apples and oranges, it's religios freedom geeting special treatment over other freedoms.
 
ragdollcat1982 said:
Try and take off my hijab... I dare anyone to do it. It wont be pretty:raging: Not pretty at all. Asking a woman to remove her hijab is the same thing as asking a woman to take off her top.
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It's good you don't live in France, or Tunisia, or other colonialised Muslim countries. :)
 
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