Why not ban full veil, says French government spokesman

[Whatsthepoint]

1) The issue of burqa being freedom or oppression is subjective. If they're so much for freedom and rights, why do they make accusations against women who choose to wear it willingly and force them to remove it?

2) Just because its been in the headlines all this time, that doesn't mean nothing. It just means its been in the headlines.

3) Anti Islamic legislation has even been against hijab, not just the burqa or niqab.

I know women wear it willingly and I'm not saying it is oppressive, I'm saying it symbolyzes heavily practicing Muslims, Islamic funamentalism which I personally do not want increased in Europe.

 

[Whatsthepoint]

It's good you don't live in France, or Tunisia, or other colonialised Muslim countries.

What about Turkey? and was the hijab banned in Tunisia during the French rule?

 

[ragdollcat1982]

Good made people with face, and he made them naked!
And it's not apples and oranges, it's religios freedom geeting special treatment over other freedoms.

What freedom? In America people can be as gay as they want. When we have the first bitter gay celebrity divorce here then this gay marriage nonsense will be put to rest. It is unnatural to be homosexual.

 

[ragdollcat1982]

I know women wear it willingly and I'm not saying it is oppressive, I'm saying it symbolyzes heavily practicing Muslims, Islamic funamentalism which I personally do not want increased in Europe.

What is wrong with being a "heavily practicing" Muslim what ever that may be. What have Muslims done to you? You are really being bigoted.

 

[ragdollcat1982]

It's good you don't live in France, or Tunisia, or other colonialised Muslim countries.

I would fight for my right to wear hijab and practice my faith. Civil disobediance .

 

[Whatsthepoint]

What is wrong with being a "heavily practicing" Muslim what ever that may be. What have Muslims done to you? You are really being bigoted.

Nothing wrong with it but I would hate to see practicing Muslims have an impact on my country's or european politics.

 

[Whatsthepoint]

What freedom? In America people can be as gay as they want. When we have the first bitter gay celebrity divorce here then this gay marriage nonsense will be put to rest. It is unnatural to be homosexual.

In this case the freedom to marry a loved person, the thing is you can't tolerate same sex-marriage and Mr Sarkozy can't tolerate the burqas.

 

[ragdollcat1982]

In this case the freedom to marry a loved person, the thing is you can't tolerate same sex-marriage and Mr Sarkozy can't tolerate the burqas.

If the peopel vote in favor of it I will tolerate it, but I dont have to like it. The French have always been weird anyway.

 

[ragdollcat1982]

Nothing wrong with it but I would hate to see practicing Muslims have an impact on my country's or european politics.

:rollseyes:enough!:

 

['Abd-al Latif]

Good made people with face, and he made them naked! I think you meant God?
And it's not apples and oranges, it's religios freedom geeting special treatment over other freedoms.

He created them and then clothed them as an adornment and a screen from their private parts. Even Adam and Eve wore clothes [except of course if one believes his father was a monkey]. Exposing ones body or any form of "public nakedness" isn't part of the natural state of man. Just as it isn't the the natural state of man to relieve himself when naturel calls in public.

Even a child who has reached the age of understanding feels shame if he is uncothed in the presense of others.

 

[Whatsthepoint]

:rollseyes:enough!:

would you like your state taken over by french liberals?

 

[Whatsthepoint]

He created them and then clothed them as an adornment and a screen from their private parts. Even Adam and Eve wore clothes. Exposing ones body or "public nakedness" isn't part of the natural state of man. Just as it isn't the the natural state of man to relieve himself when naturel calls in public.

Even a child who has reached the age of understanding feels shame if he is uncothed in the presense of others.

In the bible they were only aware of their nakedness after they had eaten from the forbidden tree, or so I remember from my Sunday school...
The attitute to nudity seems to be socially aquired, people in the Amazon or Africa don't seem to mind walking around naked.

 

[ragdollcat1982]

would you like your state taken over by french liberals?

Muslims are not going to take over France, they are folks and just want to be able to practice their religion in peace and a burqua doesnt impede on your right to do as you wish. You are uncomfortable with it because of what you think it represents. I suggest you learn to find comfort with your discomfort.

 

[Whatsthepoint]

If the peopel vote in favor of it I will tolerate it, but I dont have to like it. The French have always been weird anyway.

Well, the same with me, I can tolerate burqa but I would rather see it banned.

 

[ragdollcat1982]

Well, the same with me, I can tolerate burqa but I would rather see it banned.

Of course you would, bet you dont mind the naked beaches though right?:rollseyes

 

[Whatsthepoint]

Muslims are not going to take over France, they are folks and just want to be able to practice their religion in peace and a burqua doesnt impede on your right to do as you wish. You are uncomfortable with it because of what you think it represents. I suggest you learn to find comfort with your discomfort.

Perhaps they will.

 

['Abd-al Latif]

Nothing wrong with it but I would hate to see practicing Muslims have an impact on my country's or european politics.

What do you have against Islam/Muslims?

The veil? You're a man aren't you? You're telling you wouldn't feel any jealousy if another man looked at the precious pearl that is your wife? I'm sure if your woman ever covered up you would be even more protective over her then you've ever been.

I love that the veil is a religious obligation. I could never stand the thought of another man laying his eyes on my wife.

 

[Whatsthepoint]

Of course you would, bet you dont mind the naked beaches though right?:rollseyes

Of course I don't. I don't mind burqas in mosques either.

 

['Abd-al Latif]

In the bible they were only aware of their nakedness after they had eaten from the forbidden tree, or so I remember from my Sunday school...
The attitute to nudity seems to be socially aquired, people in the Amazon or Africa don't seem to mind walking around naked.

Nope. The attitude of nudity stem from perverted hearts. When a man loses his sense of honour all he ever does is stare at that which he will never get. Though such a man is alive and eating, his heart is dead because such a heart is filled with desires for things that will never bring him happiness except for a few brief moments.

 

[Whatsthepoint]

Nope. The attitude of nudity stem from perverted hearts. When a man loses his sense of honour all he ever does is stare at that which he will never get. Though such a man is alive and eating, his heart is dead because such a heart is filled with desires for things that will never bring him happiness except for a few brief moments.

No what I'm saying is that people are naked in those areas, nudity is not a taboo or arousing in itself.