Why not ban full veil, says French government spokesman

[HopeFul]

I already said, there is a difference of reason behind wearing the both things. It is not double standards, if the french gov bans the black coluor, fine, thats ok, it is a matter of choice, like the hoodie but if it bans the covering of face, thats something else, it is not a matter of style, it is a religious duty. No one can ban people from performing their religious duties.

And if you still dont understand ..

peace!

 

[Whatsthepoint]

I already said, there is a difference of reason behind wearing the both things. It is not double standards, if the french gov bans the black coluor, fine, thats ok, it is a matter of choice, like the hoodie but if it bans the covering of face, thats something else, it is not a matter of style, it is a religious duty. No one can ban people from performing their religious duties.

And if you still dont understand ..

peace!

Religion is a choice to, following the minority of scholars too.

 

[Whatsthepoint]

Oh don't be ridiculous. There's a big difference between a hoody and a burqa.

What's your issue with the burqa anyway. You're country preaches freedom right? Or is it all that just a hoax to imprison people to the tyranny of dictatorship?

Tacking all sorts of radicalism is necessary, be it nazism, islamism, evangelism.

 

[Muezzin]

So nobody else has come to the obvious conclusion that this whole debate is an attempt by the French government to distract its people from the global economic situation?

‘Don’t hate us, hate those sheets of cloth people wear!’

 

['Abd-al Latif]

Tacking all sorts of radicalism is necessary, be it nazism, islamism, evangelism.

Redicalism?? These are the fundimentalism of Islam! In case you don't know what fundimental means and you've been educated by the TV then let be break it down for you. The word 'fundimental' means 'basics'.

serving as, or being an essential part of, a foundation or basis; basic; underlying: fundamental principles; the fundamental structure.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=fundamental

It's a well known fact that there are two opinions concerning the full veil (i.e. including face veil) in Islam. 1) It's highly recommended 2) it's obligatory.

There isn't much difference from the Niqab and the Burqa. The niqab is just a small piece of cloth which is around 6x12 which covers the face while the burqa is the same thing except it's one long piece of covering which basically does the same job as the niqab.

All this time you've been on an Islamic forum and you still cant distingush between the Islamic teachings from the Qur'an and Sunnah and CNN? Concern yourself with the women of your own family.

 

[Whatsthepoint]

So nobody else has come to the obvious conclusion that this whole debate is an attempt by the French government to distract its people from the global economic situation?

‘Don’t hate us, hate those sheets of cloth people wear!’

I don0t think the government initiated the debate.

 

[Whatsthepoint]

Redicalism?? These are the fundimentalism of Islam! In case you don't know what fundimental means and you've been educated by the TV then let be break it down for you. The world 'fundimental' means 'basics'.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=fundamental

It's a well known fact that there are two opinions concerning the full veil (i.e. including face veil) in Islam. 1) It's highly recommended 2) it's obligatory.

There isn't much difference from the Niqab and the Burqa. The niqab is just a small piece of cloth which around 6x12 which covers the face while the burqa is the same thing except it's one long piece of covering which basically does the same job as the niqab.

All this time you've been on an Islamic forum and you still cant distingush between the Islamic teachings from the Qur'an and Sunnah and CNN?

I don't like fundamentalism either and fundamentalism and radicalism do not necessary exclude themselves, some niqab wearing women are radical in bringing back the foundations of islam, they are radical fundies.

 

[Muezzin]

I don0t think the government initiated the debate.

I don't think that's stopping them using it in the manner I described.

 

['Abd-al Latif]

I don't like fundamentalism either and fundamentalism and radicalism do not necessary exclude themselves, some niqab wearing women are radical in bringing back the foundations of islam, they are radical fundies.

And I suppose the countless forms of prevalent crime, corruption in families (adultry, wild teenagers, careless parents, young pregnant trashy women etc) and society (bribery, alcohol related crimes, gambeling etc) today is your ideal world?

 

[GuestFellow]

well he is right, we are, MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. burqa and lashings for everyone soonnnnnnn, only halal.

LOOL.

In the future..... There is only... HALAL!! Dun dun dun!

LOL XD

First, are you proposing that the solution to gawking is to strip everyone naked?

Can you really blame him? XD

Third, if desensitization is you answer to life's problems, then I guess movies and videogames should be up to their necks in gore, violence, cursing, and sex. Just so we don't notice it anymore right?

They sure wouldn't like that.

It's double standards, either hoodies are allowed or burqas banned.

Fine ban both. They both do the same thing, hide your identity. I'm sure Westerners would not mind.

 

[Ummu Sufyaan]

No, but the majority decides what is allowed and what isn't.

just cos its the majority, doesnt make it correct?!

Not really, quite the opposite actually, and the other brings social unrest, disharmony and by banning it we will save at least a few women that don't wear it by their own will.

why are you so insecure and making such a big deal about a minority!

Hello y'all,

Last week, I had to tutor a young woman for a major exam. I was already informed that she wears Niqab. It was ok since she had to prove to me her identity which is mandatory before every exam. But from te very second we met, there was a major conflict that was growing in intensity. In fact, she did show me a piece of ID paper but refused to show her face to me. Since we were a couple of female teachers monitoring her, I couln't understand why she felt so aggressive. She insulted me for being and started a whole debate about the place of female Muslims in pseudo Islamic societies. The situation had gone to extremes and I had to tutor four other students after her. Her time was over. So, she felt like a great injustice was organized against her an now was the conspiracy theory for she was the only one wearing niqab. When the situation became utterly unbearable, the oldest of the female teachers took her apart and ORDERED her to show at least her face. The girl went in a kind of transe. The fact is that she was the elder sister of the student who was to have her exam audition! No need to tell you about the sanctions that were sentenced against the girl.....

I know that it is an isolated case, but in an empirical society such as the French, I think it's comprehensible.

whats the niqaab got to do with the way a niqabi sister may act? they are completely two different issues. banning it as a whole because of how the minority act, is blowing things out of proportion.

 

['Abd-al Latif]

why are you so insecure and making such a big deal about a minority!

He might be feeling something deep down in his heart the saying of Allah:

..."How oft, by Allah's will, Hath a small force vanquished a big one? Allah is with those who steadfastly persevere." [Surah al-Baqarah 2:249]

 

[Whatsthepoint]

And I suppose the countless forms of prevalent crime, corruption in families (adultry, wild teenagers, careless parents, young pregnant trashy women etc) and society (bribery, alcohol related crimes, gambeling etc) today is your ideal world?

no, it isn't.
My ideal world would be some sort of ultraliberal semi-socialism.

 

[Whatsthepoint]

why are you so insecure and making such a big deal about a minority!

Because it's obvious you are growing much faster than the rest of society.

 

[Ummu Sufyaan]

^ errr why does/should a niqaabi suffer because of your insecurity?! since when was that a legit reason to ban it? what rubbish!
on the side: yay! power to the niqaabis :shade:

 

['Abd-al Latif]

no, it isn't.
My ideal world would be some sort of ultraliberal semi-socialism.

The reality is you are faced with two extremes. To protect and preserve the honour and chastity of your women and society by teaching them Islam which will oblidge them to observe the veil - I call this extreme because this practice is extremely beautiful - or to face the other extreme where men and women will lose their sense of dignity where everything is ok as long as my base desires are forfilled.

The lattar is the reality of the world today.

 

['Abd-al Latif]

Because it's obvious you are growing much faster than the rest of society.

Aww thanks! We don't die, we multiply to recieve praise from our Prophet (saaws)

 

[Whatsthepoint]

The reality is you are faced with two extremes. To protect and preserve the honour and chastity of your women and society by teaching them Islam which will oblidge them to observe the veil - I call this extreme because this practice is extremely beautiful - or to face the other extreme where men and women will lose their sense of dignity where everything is ok as long as my base desires are forfilled.

The lattar is the reality of the world today.

If you say so, but anyway today's society is not my ideal, though it is closest to it.

 

[Whatsthepoint]

^ errr why does/should a niqaabi suffer because of your insecurity?! since when was that a legit reason to ban it? what rubbish!
on the side: yay! power to the niqaabis :shade:

A lot f people suffer due to other people's insecurities, but here it's also a safety concern as well as double standards for hoodies.

 

[Ummu Sufyaan]

A lot f people suffer due to other people's insecurities,

and that makes it any more correct?

but here it's also a safety concern

to who?

as well as double standards for hoodies.

you only use that hoodie excuse as a "scapegoat" to support your own injustice. its got nothing to do with the hoodie or even the niqqab its about your ridiculous insecrity and paranoia's about islam growing and takng over the world and the niqaab/burka is one of the many ways it can..you anti islamists make me laugh.