Concept of Messiah in Islam

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Greetings ,

Another interesting topic....

as a matter of fact the issue of the Messiah is one issue most Muslims not aware yet of how important and inspiring in the field of comparative religions...

and the vision for such issue is still foggy for most Muslims.




Shoes said:
What is the concept of Messiahship in Islam?
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In the Quran nothing goes beyond the term than A title the people used to call Jesus by.....

3:45 Behold! the angels said: "O Mary! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a Word from Him: his name will be Christ Jesus, the son of Mary, held in honour in this world and the Hereafter and of (the company of) those nearest to Allah.


Shoes said:
Did Jesus fulfill these criteria
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What criteria?

The Quranic?
There are no criteria in the Quran for a person to fulfill in order to attain messiahship .


The Tanakhs criteria?
The Quran never said a word about Jesus fulfilling the tankahs criteria for the Messsiah king....



and as the Quran depicts Jesus in a form contradict what the tankah says about the Messiah, then the Quran tells indirectly,that the messianic structure in the tankah is a fabrication....



Jesus in the Quran had a specific prophetic normal mission .....

but was rejected by most of the Jews and they conspired to kill him,but God protected him from being killed...

it is argued that his role is stretched beyond mere a messenger for a specific people at a specific time ,but the proofs for that should be at least questionable....


that was an introduction,and more depending on your posts


peace for all
 
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Imam said:
In the Quran nothing goes beyond the term than A title the people used to call Jesus by.....
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Thanks, Imam, for your reply. So, to clarify, are you saying that the word "Messiah" has no significance in Islam other than as a name referring to Jesus?

Salam,
Shoes
 
Shoes said:
Thanks, Imam, for your reply. So, to clarify, are you saying that the word "Messiah" has no significance in Islam other than as a name referring to Jesus?

Salam,
Shoes
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Imam, what I understood you to say is that the word "Messiah" has no signficance in Islam other than as the title of a particular office (or role) that Jesus happened to hold. (One that others might have also held as well.)

Please clarify. Thanks.
 
ragdollcat1982 said:
Jesus came for all of mankind although he was a Jew. I believe that Muhammed (PBUH) was a messanger and I dont doubt that he had a revelation. But I liken him to Paul who was a messanger and teacher who did also have a vision for the gentiles, I believe Muhammed initally had a message intially for the pagan Arabs, but that extended also to mankind. But neither Paul nor Muhammed did things like Jesus did in the sense of peforming the miracles he or the OT prophets did. Paul did exoricisms, but other than that he was an ordinary man.
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What miracles would you cite that prove Jesus in God? And did jesus ever say those miracles were to prove that? I'm interested in hearing your response.
 
Grace Seeker said:
Imam, what I understood you to say is that the word "Messiah" has no signficance in Islam other than as the title of a particular office (or role) that Jesus happened to hold. (One that others might have also held as well.)

Please clarify. Thanks.
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ofcourse it has a signifcance it shows the station of chirst - He also is called the spirit of God - Isa (as) has many names they clearly have meaning.
 
Imam said:
I hope i answered grace seeker too
peace
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Yes, but I don't see yours and Zafran's answers squaring with each other's answer. Do the two of you see your answers as being in harmony with each other's?
 
Grace Seeker said:
Yes, but I don't see yours and Zafran's answers squaring with each other's answer. Do the two of you see your answers as being in harmony with each other's?
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disagreement with mutual respect gives flavor to discussion.... especially in an issue like that ....
 
Imam said:
disagreement with mutual respect gives flavor to discussion.... especially in an issue like that ....
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I agree. I wasn't dissing either of you nor your respective comments. My goodness, the local Catholic priest and I are worlds apart in some things, but we recognize those things as minor compared to the unity that we have as brothers in Christ. In fact, he is moving later this month and all of the area protestant pastors are getting together and holding a farewell party. He has been in this community longer than any of us and his contribution is going to be sorely missed.

I was just asking because it might have been that, while I was seeing something, it was so small that it meant nothing to the two of you.
 
'The Duties of the messiah - one is to overthrow the imposter messiah and establish the law of God on earth.'

Ok. A future event. Thanks. Who is the imposter messiah?

They are hadiths about the prophecies of Prophet Muhammad pbuh.

Thanks
 
The death of Jesus as per Quran is understood to mean advent to his second coming, since he is mere mortal he'll die like the rest of mankind, it is to signify his humanity rather than his godhood. pls read this

Name of Questioner
Abu Muadz ​

Title
Prophet `Isa’s (Jesus) Ascension​

Question
As-Salamu `alaykum! Please kindly furnish us with Islamic ruling concerning the ascension of Prophet `Isa (peace be upon him) and his coming back to life? Jazakum Allah khayran!​

Date
31/Mar/2004​

Name of Counsellor

Topic
Muslim Belief​
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Wa `alaykum As-Salamu wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuh.

In the Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.

All praise and thanks are due to Allah, and peace and blessings be upon His Messenger.

Dear brother, we would like to thank you for the great confidence you place in us, and we implore Allah Almighty to help us serve His cause and render our work for His Sake.

As regards your question, the late Sheikh Jadul-Haq `Ali Jadul-Haq, former Grand Sheikh of Al-Azhar, states the following:

"Allah Almighty has told us of the end of Jesus (peace be upon him) in three surahs in the Qur’an that came as follows:

1) In surat Al `Imran, we read: “When Jesus found Unbelief on their part He said: ‘Who will be My helpers to (the work of) Allah?’ Said the disciples: ‘We are Allah’s helpers: We believe in Allah, and do thou bear witness that we are Muslims. Our Lord! We believe in what Thou hast revealed, and we follow the Messenger; then write us down among those who bear witness.’ And (the unbelievers) plotted and planned, and Allah too planned, and the best of planners is Allah. Behold! Allah said: ‘O Jesus! I will take thee (mutawaffika) and raise thee to Myself (wa rafi`uka ilayya) and clear thee (of the falsehoods) of those who blaspheme; I will make those who follow thee superior to those who reject faith, to the Day of Resurrection: Then shall ye all return unto Me, and I will judge between you of the matters wherein ye dispute.’” (Al `Imran: 52-55)

2) Also in surat An-Nisa’, Allah says: “That they said (in boast), ‘We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah’; but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not: Nay, Allah raised him up unto Himself (bal Rafa`ahu Allahu ilayhi); and Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise.” (An-Nisa’: 157-158)

3) Again in surat Al-Ma’idah, we read: “And behold! Allah will say: ‘O Jesus the son of Mary! Didst thou say unto men, worship me and my mother as gods in derogation of Allah?’ He will say: ‘Glory to Thee! Never could I say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, thou wouldst indeed have known it. Thou knowest what is in my heart, Thou I know not what is in Thine. For Thou knowest in full all that is hidden. Never said I to them aught except what Thou didst command me to say, to wit, worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord; and I was a witness over them whilst I dwelt amongst them; when Thou didst take me up (tawaffaytani) Thou wast the Watcher over them, and Thou art a witness to all things’.” (Al-Ma’idah: 116-117)

The Arabic word “mutawaffika” is derived from the root “tawaffa” and is referred always in the Qur’an as meaning “to cause someone to die”. However, the word originally means “taking”. One says: “tawaffaytu min fulanin ma liya `alayhi”. Meaning: “I have taken back my debt from so and so”. It also means “To make someone fall asleep”. This meaning is mentioned in the Qur’anic verse that reads: “It is He who doth take your souls (yatawaffakum) by night, and hath knowledge of all that ye have done by day: by day doth He raise you up (yab`athukum) again; that a term appointed be fulfilled; In the end unto Him will be your return; then will He show you the truth of all that ye did.” (Al-An`am: 60)

In this verse the word “yatawaffakum” means “make you fall asleep during the night”. In the same context, the word “yab`athukum” (revive or quicken you) is used to refer to the meaning that He awakens you during the day. Based on the above, we can say that the words “mutawaffika”and “tawaffaytani” may mean “made you fall asleep” and “when you made me fall asleep”. (See: Fatawa Ibn Taymiyyah,vol. 4, pp. 322-323 and Al-Bidayah wan-Nihayah by Ibn Kathir, vol. 2 p. 91)

The Explanation of the phrases “bal Rafa`ahu Allahu ilayhi” and “wa rafi`uka ilayya”:

The majority of the exegetes of the Qur’an are of the view that the two phrases refer to Jesus’ ascension to the heavens and the first phrase “bal Rafa`ahu Allahu ilayhi” is an assertion of the fulfillment of Allah’s promise to him that He would make him ascend to the heavens.

The ascension referred to in the Qur’an includes both material and non-material aspects. Non-material here means ascension in place and honor (giving a high place and lofty status). Since we are to accept the idea of ascension as a way of saving Jesus from his archenemies, we are to say there must have been real death or sleeping that preceded the process of ascension. Modern scientific research has shown that the higher man ascends the more constricted his chest becomes and the more difficult it is for him to breathe. Allah says, “Those whom Allah (in His plan) willeth to guide, He openeth their breast to Islam; those whom He willeth to leave straying, He maketh their breast close and constricted, as if they had to climb up to the skies: thus doth Allah (heap) the penalty on those who refuse to believe.” (Al-An`am: 125) By the same token, taking Jesus up while still awake would have inflicted hardship on him.

All in all, Allah Almighty has taken Jesus up and saved him from killing and crucifixion. In other words, he either made him die (tawaffah) or made him fall asleep (tawaffah). All this was meant to save him from the pains he might have been subjected to in case he was taken up while still awake. Also, the meaning may be that he was taken up while still alive.

After this quick review of these Qur’anic verses, we come to know that scholars hold different views on this very issue.

The Preponderant View:

The view I find myself inclined to is that Allah Almighty has taken Jesus up from among his enemies, rescuing him from them. Hence, they neither killed nor crucified him as Christians claim. His enemies were in fact confused with regards to him. At any rate, he was saved, but how? We do not know.

The Qur’anic verses do not point out the way he was saved and, with a case like this, we are to remain silent and pose no more questions about the matter since this will get us nowhere. What is really established is that Allah Almighty did not allow the Jews to arrest Jesus nor to crucify him. It is also well clarified by the verses that Jesus found an escape and was taken up to heavens. Allah says: “For of a surety they killed him not: Nay, Allah raised him up unto Himself ( bal Rafa`ahu Allahu ilayhi); and Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise.” (An-Nisa’: 157-158)

What Muslims should believe in:

A sound belief of every Muslim should be that Jesus was taken up and saved from killing and crucifixion. Anyone who believes in the idea that Jesus was killed and crucified can no longer be called a Muslim.

As for Jesus’ being taken up, whether dead or alive and the nature of the life he is now leading, scholars hold different views in this regard, as this is not decisively established in the Qur’an. The majority of scholars adopt the view that Jesus is still alive in the heavens and leading a life the nature of which we do not really know.

Jesus’ Return:

The general implication of the narrations in the books of Sunnah is that Jesus will come back in the end calling for Islam and application of the Shari`ah. In Fath Al-Bari, (vol. 6, pp. 490-494), we read that Abu Hurayrah reported that the Prophet (peace and blessings upon him) said: “By the One in Whose hand is my soul! The Son of Mary is about to come back as a just ruler who will break the cross, kill the swine and cancel the tribute, and money will be so great in amount that no one will be in need of it and one act of prostration will be more lovable to a person than the whole world and every thing in it.” Then, Abu Hurayrah recited: “And there is none of the People of the Book but must believe in him before his death; and on the Day of Judgment he will be a witness against them.” (An-Nisa’: 159) In his Sahih, Imam Muslim reported this hadith with the addition: “…and kill the Dajjal (Anti-Christ).””

Sheikh M. S. Al-Munajjid, a prominent Saudi Muslim lecturer and author, adds:

“Allah Almighty has mentioned to us that Jesus was taken up to the heavens and said: “Nay, Allah raised him up unto Himself (bal Rafa`ahu Allahu ilayhi); and Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise.” (An-Nisa’: 158) He mentioned not that he has come back to the earth. Those who claim that he has come back to earth are asked to offer evidence for their claims. If they are not able to bring about any evidence, they are to know that their claims are groundless.

Allah also says: “Behold! Allah said: ‘O Jesus! I will take thee (mutawaffika) and raise thee to Myself (wa rafi`uka ilayya) and clear thee (of the falsehoods) of those who blaspheme; I will make those who follow thee superior to those who reject faith, to the Day of Resurrection: Then shall ye all return unto Me, and I will judge between you of the matters wherein ye dispute.’” (Al `Imran: 52-55)

Ibn Jarir states: “(mutawaffika) here refers to his ascension”. Other scholars, however, say that it refers to sleeping as is the case with the verse that reads: “It is He who doth take your souls (yatawaffakum) by night, and hath knowledge of all that ye have done by day: by day doth He raise you up again; that a term appointed be fulfilled; In the end unto Him will be your return; then will He show you the truth of all that ye did.” (Al-An`am: 60)

On getting up, the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) used to say: “Praise be to Allah Who brought us life after he caused us to die and unto Him will be our turning back.”

Therefore, Jesus did not die; rather, he was taken up when the Jews tried to arrest and kill him and he will come back at the end of the time and rule the land with Islam. He will live till Allah causes him to die and will be offered funeral prayer by Muslims.”

You can also read:

Status of Prophet `Isa (Jesus): Islamic View

Facts about the Second Coming of Jesus



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Follower said:
'The Duties of the messiah - one is to overthrow the imposter messiah and establish the law of God on earth.'

Ok. A future event. Thanks. Who is the imposter messiah?

They are hadiths about the prophecies of Prophet Muhammad pbuh.

Thanks
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The imposter one is the guy that comes second. So there really is no way we could possibly choose the imposter.
 
Imam, though I am not knowledgeable in these things, the disregarding of ijma made me do a double take at your post. The sorta childish question like "are they allowed to do that?" popped into my mind. And I thought there were hadiths in Sahih Bukhari about the second coming? I'm feeling really confused about what we're supposed to believe here.

I wonder if a separate thread about something like ijma would be a good idea.
 
Zafran said:
when I say Ijma I mean the scholarly consensus for over 1200 years over majority of the scholars (Not just the Imams) - furthermore Imam Al Thawi has been the accepted aqeada of Sunni Islam and the scholars for over 1200 years - many scholars have read it and studied/ taught it - I doubt that its wrong like you claim .

There is a more of chance for you to miss that facts then the consensus of majority of the scholars for over 1200 years.

I think we need a mod before this gets out of hand. Or someone that can clear this situition up.

ps I wasnt talking about



But the Ijma of scholars for 1200 years - The Quran and the Muttawatir hadiths have to be interpreated and the consensus by scholars have accepted the aqeada of the return of christ - it is the mainstream position as stated in the accepted creed of Imam al Thawi
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Why do we need a mod and how is this getting out of hand? Nothing is wrong here and we are starting to have an interesting discussion.
 
AntiKarateKid said:
Why do we need a mod and how is this getting out of hand? Nothing is wrong here and we are starting to have an interesting discussion.
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Because this thread is about "concept of Messiah in Islam" which is very clear in meanstream islam - Other "opinions" are going to confuse people.
 
I've personally found the dialogue very interesting, and would like to see more about the different ways Messiahship is viewed within Islam.

Salam,
Shoes
 

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