Anti-Islam Anti-Muslim Protests in Birmingham

[Blackpool]

There is definately a huge problem with crime committed by blacks in this country. I know there are whites that commit crime but black crime has a higher ratio. I've often spoke to black people when I lived in the South and there's always this "yo dnt mess wiv me man" attitude. From my experience, this is in the majority of them. The government came out a few years ago to state their concerns of the black population if I remember correctly.
Of course there are decent black people but just not enough!

As for these demos, I'm in favour of them demonstrating against EXTREMISTS but it looks to me they're protesting against the muslim population living in Britain. That is down to a lack of understanding of muslims and Islam. There are a handful of people at my work that are wary of muslims that come in and so often make petty remarks and the rest. From their understanding, muslims equals terrorists or supporters of terrorism and I think the people in this video have the same mindset too..

 

[GuestFellow]

I said some asian youths (in UK its mostly Pakistani). In Italy there were really examples of rapes done by Morrocans and Tunisians but also by Romanians and Gypsies. To defend the italian women, the citizens of italian cities created civil militias. This is reality, I didnt take it from comic book, but from serious newspapers or tv channels. For example in Sweden young africans and asians like to target blonde girls. I wish it wasn't true, but it is. I suppose that it's also caused by the gangsta culture imported from USA, who knows. Of course that in every population you can get black sheeps, but if we realize the problem, its easier to solve it, or at least understand the situation better. And the sad but true fact is that gangs of young asians and africans, who vandalize, attack innocent citizens, are one of the factors of current european dislike for the immigrants.

Yes it is indeed a problem; however immigration is not the source of the problem. The majority of people come to the UK to work and live a better lifestyle. Are you talking about Asian youths born in the UK or Asian youths that have come to the UK?

The source of the problem is how the society functions and how soft the law is on young youths. In poorer areas, where young kids do not receive the best education or are not motivated turn to crime. They are bored and are not motivated. The government should stop spending money on interactive whiteboards and other useless technology, and should simply focus on good teaching techniques.

I personally believe corporal punishment should be employed to teach members of violent gangs a lesson. The criminal legal system is too soft on these criminals. Criminals convicted of a particular offence should be dealt with severely.

People don't like immigrants because they fear they will take up all the jobs, houses and get more benefits. Odd thing is, once upona time Britain needed immigrants to do the dirty work for them...

That is down to a lack of understanding of muslims and Islam. There are a handful of people at my work that are wary of muslims that come in and so often make petty remarks and the rest. From their understanding, muslims equals terrorists or supporters of terrorism and I think the people in this video have the same mindset too..

You have a point. I know many Muslims around my area who do not know nothing about Islam. Not even the basics. Some have quite a lot of knoweldge about Islam though don't behave like good Muslims. Though they don't support terrorism. They are simply immature like any other teen. :/

 

[Blackpool]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoOwtPJNsAM


At 03:06 you can hear them chanting "you can shove your f... Allah up your ......" and "Allah is a Christian."

****... this is anti-Islam. Almost kicks off at 07:54.

 

[GuestFellow]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoOwtPJNsAM


At 03:06 you can hear them chanting "you can shove your f... Allah up your ......" and "Allah is a Christian."

****... this is anti-Islam. Almost kicks off at 07:54.

They are simply provocative. Best to be ignored. They want Muslims to respond. Then that way they will accuse them of terrorist or something along those lines.

 

[aadil77]

Best thing probably is for muslims to stay at home on the 8th, that way they'll get annoyed at protesting against no one

 

[Eric H]

Greetings and peace be with you convert;

Its foolish to forgive when someone comes to kill you and drive you out of your home.

Here are two quotes from people I greatly admire, they both stood up to oppression, they were both killed, but look what they have to say about forgiveness.

This link was copied from the LI forum, and it is very powerful
http://www.dreammanifesto.com/forgiveness?q=fg&gclid=CKawpPbB2JsCFVUA4wodxkDl_w

• Martin Luther King
“Forgiveness is not an occasional act. It is a permanent attitude."

•

Mahatma Gandhi
“The weak can never forgive. Forgiveness is the attribute of the strong.”

In the spirit of praying for justice for all people

Eric

 

[adam11]

assalamu alaykom brothers and sisters,

I assume you've heard of this counter-protest:
http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=9991532179

I have spoken to many Muslim youth. A group of them are planning to come in England shirts and shout ENGLAND ENGLAND back at the fascists, and then do a mass prayer right in front of them. There will most likely be a white British Muslim revert leading them on the megaphone.

I ask all those who will be in the Birmingham counter-protest to allow them the space to perform this mass prayer. It will be symbolic if the media are watching. The Muslim youth of the city of Birmingham, praying to Allah in the face of racist chants and abuse coming from behind the police lines.

They have said that they are against fanatics like Anjem Choudary and HizbuTahrir, if any of them are seen they will be ejected from the anti-fascist protest. Because these characters are used effectively by the fascists as strawmen, and have so far handed them this confrontation on a plate.

They have also said that whilst they are aware that the 500+ thugs on their way to the city centre are looking for a violent confrontation, they are not going to make it easy for them to have it. They want to show restraint.

Promising stuff!

 

[Eric H]

Blessings and peace be with you adam11; thank you so much for an inspiring first post, and welcome to the forum.

I assume you've heard of this counter-protest:
http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=9991532179

I have spoken to many Muslim youth. A group of them are planning to come in England shirts and shout ENGLAND ENGLAND back at the fascists, and then do a mass prayer right in front of them. There will most likely be a white British Muslim revert leading them on the megaphone.

I ask all those who will be in the Birmingham counter-protest to allow them the space to perform this mass prayer. It will be symbolic if the media are watching. The Muslim youth of the city of Birmingham, praying to Allah in the face of racist chants and abuse coming from behind the police lines.

Promising stuff

I am sure this is how God wants us all to find solutions, to pray openly in front of adversity.

Are there interfaith groups in Birmingham, I am sure this is the kind of event they would support.

In the spirit of praying for greater interfaith relations

Eric

 

[adam11]

Thank you Eric H. I am generally not that active on forums these days, but I hope that these are not my last posts as well

 

[adam11]

And to those who say that the Muslims best option is to stay at home, I disagree:

1. These kind of people must be confronted (not violently, but confronted nevertheless) wherever they turn up. They are not interested in dialogue, and any spare space and time given to them - they will use it to their best advantage.
2. If they are not confronted in the City Centre then where will they head when they get bored of not shouting at anyone? Look at what happened in Luton, they marched to the Asian areas of Luton. Shop windows were smashed, people were intimidated, and at least one man got beaten up (and this man was Hindu!). A few weeks later, a petrol bomb was thrown at a Mosque.



And to those who are worried that the Muslims are not doing anything about the nutters in their own camp, please refer to this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qX7Oh7YJMGo&NR=1



I'm sure there are Interfaith organisations that would be interested. I do not personally have any contact with them. I have it from Assed Baig that BMI and MCB are endorsing this protest, so perhaps they will be able to reel some other faith leaders into the cause.


Oh and by the way, the number of thugs coming to Birmingham on 8/8 (if you know about Neo-Nazis, you'll know that this number has a meaning just like the number 18) has increased to over 600!

 

[barrio79]

Amadeus85 - you are on the wrong forum if you prefer a more homogeneous environment!.. perhaps the sad brits should look for another continent to unload their homogeneous selves after much carnage upon the world for which they are paying by having to open their doors (if at all).. oh wait, I believe we call that Australia..

I would have thought that after all the wonderful things Great Britain has done for the world some one would have a kind word for them.
Also if someone takes you into their home and gives you succour it should be repaid in kind if one was to follow the commandments

 

[Blackpool]

assalamu alaykom brothers and sisters,

I assume you've heard of this counter-protest:
http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=9991532179

I have spoken to many Muslim youth. A group of them are planning to come in England shirts and shout ENGLAND ENGLAND back at the fascists, and then do a mass prayer right in front of them. There will most likely be a white British Muslim revert leading them on the megaphone.

I ask all those who will be in the Birmingham counter-protest to allow them the space to perform this mass prayer. It will be symbolic if the media are watching. The Muslim youth of the city of Birmingham, praying to Allah in the face of racist chants and abuse coming from behind the police lines.

They have said that they are against fanatics like Anjem Choudary and HizbuTahrir, if any of them are seen they will be ejected from the anti-fascist protest. Because these characters are used effectively by the fascists as strawmen, and have so far handed them this confrontation on a plate.

They have also said that whilst they are aware that the 500+ thugs on their way to the city centre are looking for a violent confrontation, they are not going to make it easy for them to have it. They want to show restraint.

Promising stuff!

Whoever thought of that is a genius.

 

[glo]

assalamu alaykom brothers and sisters,

I assume you've heard of this counter-protest:
http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=9991532179

I have spoken to many Muslim youth. A group of them are planning to come in England shirts and shout ENGLAND ENGLAND back at the fascists, and then do a mass prayer right in front of them. There will most likely be a white British Muslim revert leading them on the megaphone.

I ask all those who will be in the Birmingham counter-protest to allow them the space to perform this mass prayer. It will be symbolic if the media are watching. The Muslim youth of the city of Birmingham, praying to Allah in the face of racist chants and abuse coming from behind the police lines.

They have said that they are against fanatics like Anjem Choudary and HizbuTahrir, if any of them are seen they will be ejected from the anti-fascist protest. Because these characters are used effectively by the fascists as strawmen, and have so far handed them this confrontation on a plate.

They have also said that whilst they are aware that the 500+ thugs on their way to the city centre are looking for a violent confrontation, they are not going to make it easy for them to have it. They want to show restraint.

Promising stuff!

Thanks for sharing, Adam.

This could be a fine example of a peaceful protest!
Will you let us know if the event took place and how it went?

 

[Zafran]

I would have thought that after all the wonderful things Great Britain has done for the world some one would have a kind word for them.
Also if someone takes you into their home and gives you succour it should be repaid in kind if one was to follow the commandments

what do you mean by that???

 

[convert]

what do you mean by that???

Basically, he wants the world to thank Britain for their colonial exploitation. Quaint.

 

[The_Prince]

assalamu alaykom brothers and sisters,

I assume you've heard of this counter-protest:
http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=9991532179

I have spoken to many Muslim youth. A group of them are planning to come in England shirts and shout ENGLAND ENGLAND back at the fascists, and then do a mass prayer right in front of them. There will most likely be a white British Muslim revert leading them on the megaphone.

I ask all those who will be in the Birmingham counter-protest to allow them the space to perform this mass prayer. It will be symbolic if the media are watching. The Muslim youth of the city of Birmingham, praying to Allah in the face of racist chants and abuse coming from behind the police lines.

They have said that they are against fanatics like Anjem Choudary and HizbuTahrir, if any of them are seen they will be ejected from the anti-fascist protest. Because these characters are used effectively by the fascists as strawmen, and have so far handed them this confrontation on a plate.

They have also said that whilst they are aware that the 500+ thugs on their way to the city centre are looking for a violent confrontation, they are not going to make it easy for them to have it. They want to show restraint.

Promising stuff!

this sounds fun, too bad i wont be in England when this happens, i would have def gone to this to see those thug rioters and make them more angry.

 

[aadil77]

this sounds good, I only suggested staying at home cause it might have had some effect.

But this sounds wayy better, so is it definately goin down? And do we have to be there for zohr salaah then?

 

[Blackpool]

this sounds fun, too bad i wont be in England when this happens, i would have def gone to this to see those thug rioters and make them more angry.

Why would you want to make them more angry? It would only mean trouble for muslims. I support the idea if the main objective of it was to send a peaceful message to the people of the UK. Doing it to mock us would be pretty offensive and would cause a hell lot of trouble. I hope it isn't the latter for everybodys sake.

I have doubts that this will even take place. If anyone is attending take a video coverage of it and post it... :thumbs_up

 

[جوري]

I would have thought that after all the wonderful things Great Britain has done for the world some one would have a kind word for them.
Also if someone takes you into their home and gives you succour it should be repaid in kind if one was to follow the commandments

what wonderful things? imposing an open door policy on china and forcing them into opium addiction? shooting at peaceful protesters in India? dividing up and assigning illegal borders in Africa? using indian and pakistanis as front line infantry for their wars and taking pride that they start wars without losing a single british soldier? occupying Hong Kong with the promise of British citiznery and then telling them it isn't valid? putting a chunk of Sudan in Egypt to force their troops to remain there while stealing money from the suez canal, as well using Egyptians for organ donations whenever one of their turds was down? instating the colonial settler cockroach state of Israel in Palestine? God so many wonderful things I almost lost count!



word to the wise.. buzz off!

 

[Blackpool]

what wonderful things? imposing an open door policy on china and forcing them into opium addiction? shooting at peaceful protesters in India? dividing up and assigning illegal borders in Africa? using indian and pakistanis as front line infantry for their wars and taking pride that they start wars without losing a single british soldier? occupying Hong Kong with the promise of British citiznery and then telling them it isn't valid? putting a chunk of Sudan in Egypt to force their troops to remain there while stealing money from the suez canal, as well using Egyptians for organ donations whenever one of their turds was down? instating the colonial settler cockroach state of Israel in Palestine? God so many wonderful things I almost lost count!

... But apart from all that!