Infallibility of Imams - Shirk?

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I'm not sure if there has already been a thread about this subject or not but I haven't seen one.

I think that most Sunnis treat the Shi'a belief in the infallibility of the imams as shirk because they attribute the absolute truth to these imams just like Allah is described as al-Haqq.

I was hoping to read a Shi'i's defense of the belief in the infallibility of the imams. I would also welcome any other comments by anyone else.

Thank you.
 
The status of the imams of the Ithna ‘Ashari Shi’ah​

Q.What is the position on the 12 Imams of the Shia, especiallt the later ones?.

A.Praise be to Allaah.
Firstly:
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The Raafidis, Imamis or Ithna ‘Asharis (“Twelvers”) are one of the branches of Shi’ism. They are called Raafidis because they rejected (rafada) most of the Sahaabah and they rejected the leadership of the two Shaykhs Abu Bakr and ‘Umar, or because they rejected the imamate of Zayd ibn ‘Ali, and deserted him. They called Imamis because they are primarily focused on the issue of imamate, and they made it a basic principle of their religion, or because they claim that the Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) stated that ‘Ali and his descendents would be imams. They are called Ithna ‘Asharis (“Twelvers”) because they believe in the imamate of twelve men from the Prophet’s family (ahl al-bayt), the first of whom was ‘Ali (may Allaah be pleased with him) and the last of whom was Muhammad ibn al-Hasan al-‘Askari, the supposed hidden imam, who they say entered the tunnel of Samarra’ in the middle of the third century AH and he is still alive therein, and they are waiting for him to come out!

They hold beliefs and principles which are contrary to those of the people of Islam, such as the following:

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They exaggerate about their imams, claiming that they are infallible, and they devote many acts of worship to them such as supplication, seeking help, offering sacrifices and tawaaf (circumambulating their tombs). This is major shirk which Allaah tells us will not be forgiven. These acts of shirk are committed by their scholars and common folk alike, without anyone among them objecting to that.

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They say that the Holy Qur’aan has been distorted, and that things have been added and taken away. They have books concerning that which are known to their scholars and many of their common folk, and they even say that believing that the Qur’aan has been distorted is an essential tenet of their beliefs. See the answer to question no. 21500.

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They regard most of the Sahaabah (may Allaah be pleased with them) as kaafirs, and disavow them, and they seek to draw closer to Allaah by cursing and reviling them. They claim that they apostatized after the death of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) except very few (only seven). This is a rejection of the Qur’aan which affirms their virtue, and says that Allaah was pleased with them and chose them to accompany His Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). It also implies a slur against the Qur’aan itself, because it was transmitted via them; if they were kuffaar then there is no guarantee that they did not distort it or change it. This is what the Raafidis believe anyway, as stated above.

Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: As for the one who goes further and claims that they apostatized after the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) died, apart from a small number, no more than ten or so, or that they became evildoers, there is no doubt that he is a kaafir, because he is rejecting what it says in the Qur’aan in more than one place, that Allaah was pleased with them and praised them. Indeed, the one who doubts that such a person is a kaafir is to be labelled as a kaafir himself, because what this view implies is that those who transmitted the Qur’aan and Sunnah were kuffaar or rebellious evildoers. The verse says “You (true believers in Islamic Monotheism, and real followers of Prophet Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم and his Sunnah) are the best of peoples ever raised up for mankind” [Aal ‘Imraan 3:110], and the best of them were the first generation. But according to this view, most of them were kaafirs and rebellious evildoers, and this ummah is the worst of nations and the earliest generations of this ummah were the most evil of them. The fact that this is kufr is something that no Muslim has any excuse for not knowing. End quote from al-Saarim al-Maslool ‘ala Shaatim al-Rasool (p. 590).

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They attribute badaa’ to Allaah, i.e., forming a new opinion that was not held before. This implies attribution of ignorance to Allaah, may He be exalted.

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They believe in taqiyah (dissimulation) which means showing outwardly something other than what one feels inside. In fact this is lying and hypocrisy and skill in deceiving people. This is not something that they do at times of fear; rather they regard use of taqiyah as a religious duty for minor and major matters, at times of fear and times of safety. Whatever of truth was narrated from one of their imams, such as praise for the companions of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), or agreeing with Ahl al-Sunnah, even in matters of purification or food and drink, is rejected by the Shi’ah who say that the Imam only said that by way of taqiyah.

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Belief in raja’ah, which is the belief that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and the members of his household (ahl al-bayt), ‘Ali, al-Hasan, al-Husayn and the other imams will return. At the same time, Abu Bakr, ‘Umar, ‘Uthmaan, Mu’aawiyah, Yazeed, Ibn Dhi’l-Jooshan and everyone who harmed Ahl al-bayt – according to their claims – will also return.

All of these people will return – according to their beliefs – to this world once more before the Day of Resurrection, when the Mahdi reappears, as the enemy of Allaah Ibn Saba’ told them; they will return in order to be punished because they harmed Ahl al-Bayt and transgressed against them and denied them their rights, so they will be severely punished, then they will all die, then they will be resurrected on the Day of Resurrection for the final recompense. This is what they believe.

And there are other corrupt beliefs which one can find more details about in the following books, which explain how false they are:

al-Khutoot al-‘Areedah by Muhibb al-Deen al-Khateeb (available in English, translated by Abu Bilal Mustafa al-Kanadi)

Usool Madhhab al-Shi’ah al-Imamiyyah by Dr. Naasir al-Qafaari

Firaq Mu’aasirah tantasib ila al-Islam by Dr. Ghaalib ibn ‘Ali ‘Awaaji (1/127-269)

Al-Mawsoo’ah al-Muyassarah fi’l-Adyaan wa’l-Madhaahib wa’l-Ahzaab al-Mu’aasirah (1/51-57).

See also the answer to question no. 1148 and 10272.

The scholars of the Standing Committee for Issuing Fatwas were asked: Is the Imam Shi’ah way part of Islam? Who made it up? Because they, i.e., the Shi’ah, attribute their madhhab to Sayyiduna ‘Ali (may Allaah ennoble his face).

Answer: The Imami Shi’ah madhhab is a fabricated madhhab that has been introduced into Islam. We advise you to read the book al-Khutoot al-‘Areedah and Mukhtasar al-Tuhfah al-Ithna ‘Ashariyyah and Minhaaj al-Sunnah by Shaykh al-Islam [Ibn Taymiyah], which will explain a lot of their innovations.

‘Abd al-‘Azeez ibn ‘Abd-Allaah ibn Baaz, ‘Abd al-Razzaaq ‘Afeefi, ‘Abd-Allaah ibn Ghadyaan. End quote.

Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah (2/377).

Secondly:
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From the above it is clear that this madhahb is false and that it goes against the beliefs of Ahl al-Sunnah wa’l-Jamaa’ah, and that its beliefs will not be acceptable from anyone, either from their scholars or their common folk.

As for the imams to whom they claim to belong, they are innocent of this lie and falsehood.

There follow the names of these imams:

1- ‘Ali ibn Abi Taalib (may Allaah be pleased with him) who was martyred in 40 AH.

2- Al-Hasan ibn ‘Ali (may Allaah be pleased with him) (3-50 AH)

3- Al-Husayn ibn ‘Ali (may Allaah be pleased with him) (4-61 AH)

4- ‘Ali Zayn al-‘Aabideen ibn al-Husayn (38-95 AH), whom they call al-Sajjaad

5- Muhammad ibn ‘Ali Zayn al-‘Aabideen (57-114 AH) whom they call al-Baaqir

6- Ja’far ibn Muhammad al-Baaqir (83-148 AH) whom they call al-Saadiq

7- Moosa ibn Ja’far al-Saadiq (128-148 AH) whom they call al-Kaadim

8- ‘Ali ibn Moosa al-Kaadim (148-203 AH) whom they call al-Rida (Reza)

9- Muhammad al-Jawaad ibn ‘Ali al-Rida’ (195-220 AH) whom they call al-Taqiy

10- ‘Ali al-Haadi ibn Muhammad al-Jawaad (212-254 AH) whom they call al-Naqiy

11- al-Hasan al-‘Askari ibn ‘Ali al-Haadi (232-260) whom they call al-Zakiy

12- Muhammad al-Mahdi ibn al-Hasan al-‘Askari, whom they call al-Hujjah al-Qaa’im al-Muntazar. They claim that he entered a tunnel in Samarra’, but most researchers are of the view that he did not exist at all, and that he is a Shi’i myth.

See: al-Mawsoo’ah al-Muyassarah (1/51).

Ibn Katheer said in al-Bidaayah wa’l-Nihaayah (1/177): As for what they believe about the tunnel of Samarra’, that is a myth which has no basis in reality and no proof or sound reports. End quote.

Ibn Taymiyah (may Allaah have mercy on him) divided the Imams of the Ithna ‘Ashari Shi’ah into four categories:

1 – ‘Ali ibn Abi Taalib, al-Hasan and al-Husayn (may Allaah be pleased with them). They are noble Sahaabah and no one doubts their virtue and leadership, but many others shared with them the virtue of being companions of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and among the Sahaabah there are others who were more virtuous than them, based on saheeh evidence from the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him).

2 – ‘Ali ibn al-Husayn, Muhammad ibn ‘Ali al-Baaqir, Ja’far ibn Muhammad al-Saadiq and Moosa ibn Ja’far. They are among the trustworthy and reliable scholars. Manhaaj al-Sunnah (2/243, 244).

3 – ‘Ali ibn Moosa al-Rida, Muhammad ibn ‘Ali ibn Moosa al-Jawaad, ‘Ali ibn Muhammad ibn ‘Ali al-‘Askari, and al-Hasan ibn ‘Ali ibn Muhammad al-‘Askari. Concerning them, Shaykh al-Islam (Ibn Taymiyah) said: They did not show a great deal of knowledge such that the ummah might benefit from them, nor did they have any authority by means of which they could help the ummah. Rather they were like any other Haashimis, they occupy a respected position, and they have sufficient knowledge of what which is needed by them and expected of people like them; it is a type is knowledge that is widely available to ordinary Muslims. But the type of knowledge that is exclusive to the scholars was not present in their case. Therefore seeks of knowledge did not receive from them what they received from the other three. Had they had that which was useful to seekers of knowledge, they would have sought it from them, as seekers of knowledge are well aware of where to go for knowledge. Minhaaj al-Sunnah (6/387).

4 – Muhammad ibn al-Hasan al-‘Askari al-Muntazar (the awaited one). He did not exist at all, as stated above.

And Allaah knows best.

Islam Q&A

http://www.islamqa.com/en/ref/101272
 
HinduIconoclast said:
I'm not sure if there has already been a thread about this subject or not but I haven't seen one.

I think that most Sunnis treat the Shi'a belief in the infallibility of the imams as shirk because they attribute the absolute truth to these imams just like Allah is described as al-Haqq.

I was hoping to read a Shi'i's defense of the belief in the infallibility of the imams. I would also welcome any other comments by anyone else.

Thank you.
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I think it is quite self evident that infallibility is characteristic of only God. As to how Shi'a defend there beliefs, if you look at their books of hadith you find many of them to be quite weak or otherwise fabricated.
 
rk9414 said:
I think it is quite self evident that infallibility is characteristic of only God. As to how Shi'a defend there beliefs, if you look at their books of hadith you find many of them to be quite weak or otherwise fabricated.
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I agree with you there and I do think of it as shirk for anyone to claim that another person possesses any of the qualities of Allah SWT. But I was just hoping that we could get a Shi'i here to defend his position but unfortunately it looks like that is not going to happen. imsad
 
salaam

There are not that many shia on this forum.

peace
 
Assalam aleykoum,


I think there are not many shia, because I do not think, they are welcomed here no ?

Because of the different point of view ?

I am not here to make any division, I will never divid the religion of Allah SWT.

I am not sunni, I am not shia, I am only a muslim ( soumisssion to Allah SWT ).


I ask allah SWT to forgive us and to guide us, Ameen.


Assalam aleykoum sisters and brothers.
 
Saying "I'm a Sunni" means adhering to the way of our beloved Messenger, sall-Allahu alayhi wa sallam, so there's no fitna in saying that, just sunni = muslim. The greatest Islamic scholars ascribed them to Ahlus-Sunnah, and noone ever condemned anyone for that. In fact, a Sunni reminds us on Ahlus-Sunnah wal-jama'a, jama'ah meaning: community, one body, whereas the name "Shi'a" implies division.
 
Assalam aleykoum,

Me I am not sunni or shia, or salafist, or any member of any school.

I am a simple muslim, that's it.

I make no difference, they are all my sisters and brothers in islam, we worship the same god, no difference.

I can not say I am sunni or shia and say I am better than the other one, who I am to judge other, I am afraid to be in front of Allah SWT, because I have done nothing in my life to thanks him for all what he gaves me during all my life.

Plaese do not make division of Allah SWT religion.


In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.


Sourate 4

125. Who can be better in religion than one who submits his whole self to Allah, does good, and follows the way of Abraham the true in Faith? For Allah did take Abraham for a friend.


Assalam aleykoum sisters and brothers, I ask Allah SWT to unify us because we are divided, and I ask Allah SWT to forgive us and guide us to the truth, Ameen.
 
Wa alaykumus-Salam wa rahmatullah!

Ameen to the du'a!

Saying one's a sunni doesn't bring any division, as sunni = muslim, and adhering to the Sunnah of Messenger sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam is a command from Allah, swt.

Who are Ahl al-Sunnah wa’l-Jamaa’ah?
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Praise be to Allaah.

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Ahl al-Sunnah wa’l-Jamaa’ah are those who adhere to the Sunnah and who unite upon it, not turning to anything else, whether that be in matters of belief (‘aqeedah) or matters of actions which are subject to shar’i rulings. Hence they are called Ahl al-Sunnah because they adhere to it (the Sunnah), and they called Ahl al-Jamaa’ah because they are united (mujtami’oon) in following it.

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If you examine the followers of bid’ah (innovation), you will find that they differ concerning that which they are following, with regard to beliefs, methodology and practices, which indicates that their being far removed from the Sunnah is commensurate with the extent to which they have introduced innovations.​


Majmoo’ Fataawa wa Rasaa’il Fadeelat al-Shaykh Muhammad ibn Saalih al-‘Uthaymeen (may Allaah have mercy on him), vol. 1. p. 37
 
Assalam aleykoum,

Thank you my brother for your reply :

we have two majors groups, because I can not say sect because sect it does not exist in arabic I think no ?

1) Sunnis

2) Shia


Inside Sunnis we have other groups, in shia maybe we have other.

I wonder how its possible, some scholars do not agree with others, some schol do not agree with other, hadiths authentic of Bukhari are not taken by Muslim ?????

What I see where is the truth in all this, because in this world nobody can say what I am doing and what I am practising is the totally truth, do you know why ?

Because we have no prophete of Allah SWT nowdays, why do you think allah SWT will send the last messenger before the end of the world ?

Because we are not totally in the right path, only Allah SWT knows the truth, Allah SWT is the truth, Allah SWT is the most clever , the bigest scholar, no comparaton with any prophete or human nowdays.

Do you know what can unify us ?

1) Allah SWT, by sending the last messenger

2 ) The Quran , the most powerful book we can not imagine, and the protected one.


We have to work together, because we are living the most dangerous time, we have to look for the truth everyday.

If somebody say I am in the right path and I am sure that I am doing what Allah SWT says and the prophete Mohamed SWS, I am sure that personn is lost and in the trap of SHAYTAAN, DIABLO, DIABLE, DEVIL.

I will look for to the truth all my life INSHA'ALLAH, its what Allah SWT ask us, to use our brain when we read the Quran.

We have to read the Quran with our HEART not with our eyes, and we have to ask Allah SWT to show us the truth insha'Allah, Ameen.

Assalam aleykoum sisters and brothers.
 
Wa alaykumus-Salam wa rahmatullah.

Some disagreements are OK, some not. A disagreement by itself isn't bad, it depends what's the disagreemnt about.

All scholars are united upon the opinion that Sahih al-Bukhari is authentic. Imam Al-Bukhari collected some authentic ahaadeeth, imam Muslim others.

We have no prophets today, and there won't be any till the Day of judgement but we have authentically reported words and deeds of our beloved Messenger, sall-Allahu alayhi wa sallam.

And Allah, swt, is All-Wise and All-Knowing, and, as our Lord, he commanded us to follow Muhammad, sall-Allahu alayhi wa sallam.

So that you in sha Allah don't make a mistake related to hadith which other made, and which is a destructive mistake, please read this.
 
Assalam aleykoum brother,


Do not worry I beleive in Hadiths and in the protected Quran.

When Allah SWT send a prophete or messenger its bacause the religion is corrupted no ?


1) moses

2) Jésus was sent about 1 500 years after Moses

3) Mohamed SWS was sent about 600 years after Jésus

4) How many time between the death of our prophete Mohamed SWS and today ? about 14 centuries.


Do you think the religion of Allah SWT was not change by people, kings, wars, time, hypocrites.


How can you know if a personn is hypocrites or not ? even the prophete Mohamed SWS did not know that people around him are not sincer, and you want me to beleive that all the Hadiths are authentic, no sorry without me.

Sourate 9

In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.

101. Certain of the desert Arabs round about you are hypocrites, as well as (desert Arabs) among the Medina folk: they are obstinate in hypocrisy: thou knowest them not: We know them: twice shall We punish them: and in addition shall they be sent to a grievous penalty.


People that said they heard the prophete mohamed SWS ( after his death about 200 years ) saying this or that, they can be Hypocrite or not ? how can we be sure that they are truth muslim and sincer, how can we be sure ?????


Can somebody tell me how to recononize an authentic Hadit ? because we do not know if it is or not ? how its possible ?


I read authentic hadiths in contradiction with the quran, how its possible ? what that men the prophete Mohamed SWS can not say it because he si only following the revelation, is it true or not ?

I beleive in Hadiths al hamdouliallah and in the protected book the Quran , but how to be sure the Hadith is true or not ????


I call for the unification of all muslims with the help of Allah SWT around the Quran, because the only thing in common with all of us its the Quran, lets start from it, no division and difference between us.


I ask Allah SWT to forgive us and to guide us Ameen.
 
both sects are gulity of this, the shiites more so, it's only a difference in degree, not action.

for example see how the four 'imams', or bukhari are treated.
 
Wa alaykumus-Salam wa rahmatullah.

Allah, swt, said He will protect this religion, so, alhamdulillah, we have His deen even today.

Noone ever said all ahaadeeth are authentic, some yes, some no, and alhamdulillah we know which are, and which not.

If you refer to works from hadeeth sciences, you'll remove your doubts. It's not OK that you judge the ahaadeeth and you yourself say you don't know how to determine whether a hadeeth is authentic or not. So you judge something you don't know.

You call the Muslims to unite upon a wrong principle. The Muslims have to unite upon what Allah ordered them to unite, not what is common to them all. Lets say we, naudhu billah, don't agree about surah al-Baqarah, but agree on others surahs. So, according to you, we should dismiss surah al-Baqarah, and uniet upont others surahs.

Noone ever here said: "I don't how internet works, so I won't use it, it's baatil," but people come from time to time and say: "I don't know how's this hadeeth hasan or saheeh, so I'll just dismiss it." Crystal clear double standards.

So, as you yourself said you don't how does authentication of a hadeeth work, the proper reaction is to find out how it works, not to negate it. A good starting point would be: http://www.islamicawakening.com/viewarticle.php?articleID=73& and the link provided earlier: http://www.calltoislam.com/pdf/The ...ieth century - Abu Ruqayyah Farasat Latif.pdf

May Allah protect us from being shaykhs to ourselves, ameen.
 
Assalam aleykoum sisters and brothers,


Allah SWT swear that majority of human are lost except who ??????

Sourate 103

In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.




1. By (the Token of) Time (through the ages),

2. Verily Man is in loss,

3. Except such as have Faith, and do righteous deeds, and (join together) in the mutual teaching of Truth, and of Patience and Constancy.


How can you say that your group ( Sunni, SHIA .........) is better than other one how its possible ? do you want to act like devil ? because its what you are doing without notice it and its the worst thing you can not imagine.


Lets look at that in the Quran :


Sourate 7


In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.


11. It is We Who created you and gave you shape; then We bade the angels bow down to Adam, and they bowed down; not so Iblis; He refused to be of those who bow down.

12. ((Allah)) said: "What prevented thee from bowing down when I commanded thee?" He said: "I am better than he: Thou didst create me from fire, and him from clay."

13. ((Allah)) said: "Get thee down from this: it is not for thee to be arrogant here: get out, for thou art of the meanest (of creatures)."

14. He said: "Give me respite till the day they are raised up."

15. ((Allah)) said: "Be thou among those who have respite."

16. He said: "Because thou hast thrown me out of the way, lo! I will lie in wait for them on thy straight way:

17. "Then will I assault them from before them and behind them, from their right and their left: Nor wilt thou find, in most of them, gratitude (for thy mercies)."

18. ((Allah)) said: "Get out from this, disgraced and expelled. If any of them follow thee,- Hell will I fill with you all.

19. "O Adam! dwell thou and thy wife in the Garden, and enjoy (its good things) as ye wish: but approach not this tree, or ye run into harm and transgression."

20. Then began Satan to whisper suggestions to them, bringing openly before their minds all their shame that was hidden from them (before): he said: "Your Lord only forbade you this tree, lest ye should become angels or such beings as live for ever."

21. And he swore to them both, that he was their sincere adviser.


What those verses teach us that its easy to be part of DALIMINE, like the devil, the devil was thinging about himself, he said is better than ADAM, its what you are doing sisters and brothers, by saying we are Ahl al-Sunnah and others are a SECT ( sect does not exist in arabic, I think no ? ).

Who you are sisters and brothers to say that you are better than ???? did you sign an agreement with Allah SWT, what I see you are always saying that you are better than ????

You are doing the same mistake of the SHAYTAAN, DEVIL, DIABLO, DIABLE, do you notice it or not ?

If you are the best group what about others ???? where is the DIVINE MERCY ???? do you delete GOD MERCY ????


Please wake-up we were sleeping for 14 centuries.

I ask Allah SWT to forgive us all, you, me and all our families, and to guide you and me and all our families and humanity, Ameen.

Assalam aleykoum sisters and brothers.
 
Wa alaykumus-Salam wa rahmatullah.

What you said has nothing to do with what I wrote.
 
Assalam aleykoum my brother,


Abdu-l-Majeed said:
Wa alaykumus-Salam wa rahmatullah.

Allah, swt, said He will protect this religion, so, alhamdulillah, we have His deen even today.

Allah SWT said he protected the Quran, where did you see that he protected his religion ? where did you read he protected the HADITHS ???

Sourate 15

In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.

9. We have, without doubt, sent down the Message; and We will assuredly guard it (from corruption).



Noone ever said all ahaadeeth are authentic, some yes, some no, and alhamdulillah we know which are, and which not.

You know which HADITHS are true ? how do you know ? are you sure that all HADITHS are true, can you swear ? I do not ask you to swaer but I want to put you in front of your responsibility.

Me I can swera and you you too that the Quran is protected but about HADITHS you can not ?


If you refer to works from hadeeth sciences, you'll remove your doubts. It's not OK that you judge the ahaadeeth and you yourself say you don't know how to determine whether a hadeeth is authentic or not. So you judge something you don't know.

The science of Hadiths are Human science or Dive science ? the Quran is a divine REVELATION will never be changed, how can you compare Divine message and protected to HUMAN SCIENCE ?

You call the Muslims to unite upon a wrong principle. The Muslims have to unite upon what Allah ordered them to unite, not what is common to them all. Lets say we, naudhu billah, don't agree about surah al-Baqarah, but agree on others surahs. So, according to you, we should dismiss surah al-Baqarah, and uniet upont others surahs.


I unify around the protected book, from the fisrt verse to the last, do you know we can not guide anybody.

An human can not guide another one only Allah SWT can guide us, Insha'allah, Ameen.

Noone ever here said: "I don't how internet works, so I won't use it, it's baatil," but people come from time to time and say: "I don't know how's this hadeeth hasan or saheeh, so I'll just dismiss it." Crystal clear double standards.

What can I say, do you know a web site where I can find all the Authentic Hadiths of bukhari and muslim, allah IRHAMOUM, I have a big repect for Bukhari and muslim for the job they have done, I can not judge them, I will be judge myself.

If I show you that some hadiths are in contradiction with the quran, will you beleive me or not ?

So, as you yourself said you don't how does authentication of a hadeeth work, the proper reaction is to find out how it works, not to negate it. A good starting point would be: http://www.islamicawakening.com/viewarticle.php?articleID=73& and the link provided earlier: http://www.calltoislam.com/pdf/The ...ieth century - Abu Ruqayyah Farasat Latif.pdf


May Allah protect us from being shaykhs to ourselves, ameen.
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Ameen for your DOUA by brother.

I will be happy to meet the HUMAN, who can say wich HADITHS are corect or not, the only personn can say that is the prophete Mohamed SWS but he is not with us today, we have only the Quran the protected.

Can you tell me what do you think about a HADITH in contradiction with the Quran ???

Assalam aleykoum sisters and brothers.
 
Abdu-l-Majeed said:
Wa alaykumus-Salam wa rahmatullah.

What you said has nothing to do with what I wrote.
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Assalam aleykoum,


What I wrote its the Quran, you do not know that it is about what you said.

Do you know my brother before you sleep read carefuly the SOURATE 7 and 103, you will find out by yourself that I did not write that for nothing.


Assalam aleykoum brother, Ask allah SWT to forgive us and to guide us, Ameen.
 
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