MisConceptions of the Evil America

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I think a thread entitled "misconceptions of so called Muslim countries" would be cool too. The government of Saudi Arabia has done things just as vile as America ever did, from torturing innocents to letting historical areas of Islam fall into disrepair while they squander money and interfere with their neighbors.

I know it's trendy to bash America (I'm fond doing so too) for it's glaring faults but let's start bashing the so called Muslim governments for their incompetence in living up to the Islamic ideal.
 
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AntiKarateKid said:
I think a thread entitled "misconceptions of so called Muslim countries" would be cool too. The government of Saudi Arabia has done things just as vile as America ever did, from torturing innocents to letting historical areas of Islam fall into disrepair while they squander money and interfere with their neighbors.

I know it's trendy to bash America (I'm fond doing so too) for it's glaring faults but let's start bashing the so called Muslim governments for their incompetence in living up to the Islamic ideal.
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Well said, that man! :)

Peace
 
czgibson said:
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Well said, that man! :)

Peace
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I'm just afraid of the Ummah dumping all the blame on foreigners. Sometimes, in our zeal to criticize the west, we're forgetting that we brought these conditions of tyranny and poverty on ourselves.

"Allah does not change a people's lot unless they change what is in their hearts." Quran 13:11

It is also helpful to remember what the Prophet pbuh said of us, the future Muslims.

Narrated Thawban: The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: The people will soon summon one another to attack you as people when eating invite others to share their dish. Someone asked: Will that be because of our small numbers at that time? He replied: No, you will be numerous at that time: but you will be scum and rubbish like that carried down by a torrent, and Allah will take fear of you from the breasts of your enemy and last enervation into your hearts. Someone asked: What is wahn (enervation). Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him): He replied: Love of the world and dislike of death.

We are the light of the world, so let's act like it.
 
^you are taking about whom? saudi arabia? ya there is the good and bad everywhere
 
Afg said:
^you are taking about whom? saudi arabia? ya there is the good and bad everywhere
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Yea sis. We need to see that Muslims need to change themselves before trying to take on any Western invaders or ideologies. If we were stronger and more unified, this would have never happened. If we were more educated, terrorists and liberal sellouts wouldn't of had as much sway and we'd still be leading in science and technology.
 
AntiKarateKid said:
Yea sis. We need to see that Muslims need to change themselves before trying to take on any Western invaders or ideologies. If we were stronger and more unified, this would have never happened. If we were more educated, terrorists and liberal sellouts wouldn't of had as much sway and we'd still be leading in science and technology.
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hmm too bad.. if everyone minded their own business, a lot of people did not have to lose their lives.
 
Afg said:
Bro Clover, i apologize for ruining your thread
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I do not know how you ruined it, is it sarcasm?

It doesn't matter. I am about done trying to fight for Islam and America. Both are helpless causes to defend.
 
Umm ul-Shaheed said:
^why did you have the need to defend Islam?
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I didn't need to. I didn't even really want too, but I did it out of respect. I heard some people saying stuff like "terrorists? probably Muslims" so, I pursued, to show them Islam isn't terrorism.
 
I didn't need to. I didn't even really want too, but I did it out of respect
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why do you care about Islam and Muslims so much? i mean, its not really common for a non-Muslim to go out of their way to defend Islam...
 
Umm ul-Shaheed said:
why do you care about Islam and Muslims so much? i mean, its not really common for a non-Muslim to go out of their way to defend Islam...
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I don't know. It's part of being me. I just don't want to defend it anymore. It doesn't matter anymore.
 
ok, thats cool *we weren't really asking you to defend, but thank you none the less* but due to your own unsuccess, don't go around saying that its a useless thing to defend.
 
Umm ul-Shaheed said:
ok, thats cool *we weren't really asking you to defend, but thank you none the less* but due to your own unsuccess, don't go around saying that its a useless thing to defend.
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You don't think I know that? I know no one asks, but that's not a reason not too. If everyone didn't defend each other, without asking, their would be a lot of messed up teenagers.

Failure? Madam, I didn't fail, I proved my point, time and again, but it no longer makes sense to do it. They never learn from it, and never will. They don't compute knowledge.
 
Clover said:
I do not know how you ruined it, is it sarcasm?

It doesn't matter. I am about done trying to fight for Islam and America. Both are helpless causes to defend.
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No its not sarcasm.
Not every Muslim thinks America the way you might think the Muslims think. It may not always be about the Americans, but about how they know how to ignore their own faults, but then think everyone thinks bad about them.
Its going to need more than that, they just do not seem to click.
Where are you fighting for Islam anyway? I dont see it, i thought it was only about America. Oh well, thanks.
 
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Clover said:
You don't think I know that? I know no one asks, but that's not a reason not too. If everyone didn't defend each other, without asking, their would be a lot of messed up teenagers.
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you didn't get my point. my point that Islam is a failure to defend was quite uncalled for. if you feel that way, fine, but to make a...well lo and behold generalization(:exhausted) is quite ridiculous!

Failure? Madam, I didn't fail, I proved my point, time and again, but it no longer makes sense to do it.
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prove your point? weren't you just saying that you were doing it out of respect and to show people that Islam isn't terrorism? sounds a little inconsistent.

They never learn from it, and never will. They don't compute knowledge.
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and yet you say that you intend on joining the US army? it doesn't quite fit the "profile" of one who thinks it's pointless to defend the US.
 
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Umm ul-Shaheed said:
you didn't get my point. my point that Islam is a failure to defend was quite uncalled for. if you feel that way, fine, but to make a...well lo and behold generalization(:exhausted) is quite ridiculous!


prove your point? weren't you just saying that you were doing it out of respect and to show people that Islam isn't terrorism? sounds a little inconsistent.


and yet you say that you intend on joining the US army? it doesn't quite fit the "profile" of one who thinks it's pointless to defend the US.
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If I feel it, I say it. I do not think defending Islam in my region, will do anything but cause violence. Their ya go.

How so?

When did I ever say it's pointless to defend the US?
 

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