"Does the end justify the means" in Islam?

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.I've heard(from the mosque or someone very faithful) that there's this example of man who , when asked by Allah to transfer to Jannah after years of Hell, rejected Allah's offer and wished to remain in Hell. Isn't that strange?
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This is what I meant by using your logic...what the hell??!! These next people saying a whole load of cr*p about Islam, and we believe it??!! How stupid do we have to be??!!

you don't believe there exists a man who would sacrifice his "everything" for others?
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NO :muddlehea
 
Alqali said:
you don't believe there exists a man who would sacrifice his "everything" for others?
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If there is a halal way to get a win-win situation for both that man and his 'everything', and that man ignores it to make some sort of 'sacrifice', he is an egotistical fool.

My apologies if I come across harshly. The opening question of the thread is a false dichotomy - we don't need to sacrifice our own chance of reward to preserve others'. Roughly speaking, in the context of children: Raise your kids properly, and not only will they inshallah be rewarded for their Islamic acts, but inshallah so will you for your patience and hard work in their upbringing.
 
Muezzin said:
If there is a halal way to get a win-win situation for both that man and his 'everything', and that man ignores it to make some sort of 'sacrifice', he is an egotistical fool.
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IF there is a halal way to get a win-win situation that is. But you're right, I haven't considered that as a possibility..although from my experiences, there aren't many things w/o sacrifice.


My apologies if I come across harshly. The opening question of the thread is a false dichotomy - we don't need to sacrifice our own chance of reward to preserve others'.
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No offense taken. I'm already well-aware of how "ludicrous" my ideas seem to people and I'm usually quite apologetic. So you don't agree that there are situations wherein you will have to sacrifice your own chance of reward?
 
Alqali said:
IF there is a halal way to get a win-win situation that is. But you're right, I haven't considered that as a possibility..although from my experiences, there aren't many things w/o sacrifice.



No offense taken. I'm already well-aware of how "ludicrous" my ideas seem to people and I'm usually quite apologetic. So you don't agree that there are situations wherein you will have to sacrifice your own chance of reward?
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I don't deny that certain situations require sacrifice. I deny that one of those situations is murdering a child (or murdering anyone else for that matter).
 
Muezzin said:
I don't deny that certain situations require sacrifice. I do deny that one of those situations is murdering a child.
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of course, I've already realized overall negativity of the absurdity of that action. Alpha Dude, as shown in our earlier posts, has given me insight.

I'd like you to join me in a little experiment, if you would be so kind: "Can you please tell me anything that doesn't require sacrifice"?
 
Hypothetically ur just playing GOD...which is the last thing mere human can do...and it'll never work.
 
MuhammadRizan said:
Hypothetically ur just playing GOD...which is the last thing mere human can do...and it'll never work.
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On which part of the thread is this related to? If its about the "child-murder" then I'm afraid that that is already resolved.
 
Alqali said:
Jihad - a struggle that obviously has its sacrificial traits of killing others.
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Not always.

Jihad is struggling in the way of Allah. Yes that will mean sacrificing things - but not always someones life.

Conceptially though, what you are saying could work, if Allah wills it.
 
Murder is not sacrifice.

Alqali said:
Murder - to kill intentionally and with premeditation.
Jihad - a struggle that obviously has its sacrificial traits of killing others.
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Murder is to kill intentionally and with premeditation contrary to the law.

Jihad is struggling in the way of Allah, not necessarily physically fighting and/or killing people.
 
Alqali said:
No, I'm definitely older. Tell me, "would you choose Allah or your son?"
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Allah swt doesn't and wouldn't ask us to make such sacrifices.. you are not a prophet nor are you Abraham. Even prophets though tested first hand, also get to witness miracles first hand.. So if some voice is telling you to kill your kid or anyone, I suggest you call the emergency hotline and have them treat you in the hospital for paranoid schizophrenia or frank psychosis!


all the best
 
Alqali said:
you don't believe there exists a man who would sacrifice his "everything" for others?
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this is a misnoma


the more you sacrifice for another - the more you get IN the afterlife


if you sacrifice your afterlife then your doing something VERY WRONG in this life





hope im clear

ASsalamu alaikum
 
Gossamer skye said:
Allah swt doesn't and wouldn't ask us to make such sacrifices.. you are not a prophet nor are you Abraham. Even prophets though tested first hand, also get to witness miracles first hand.. So if some voice is telling you to kill your kid or anyone, I suggest you call the emergency hotline and have them treat you in the hospital for paranoid schizophrenia or frank psychosis!


all the best
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Sorry, its not actually ME...I was just being hypothetical. Let me remind you again, there is in no way will I crazily slaughter children--i don't want to go to hell or serve as a "foolish" sacrifice or pretend as a "God" and determine others' lives.
And, once again, this topic is already resolved. The slaughter of children is not the "logical" way of helping others for if you look at the current trend of the speed of conversion to Islam, you'll see that more are being converted. Therefore, there is a higher possibility of children making others convert than doing the opposite.
 
Fighting4Iman said:
this is a misnoma


the more you sacrifice for another - the more you get IN the afterlife


if you sacrifice your afterlife then your doing something VERY WRONG in this life





hope im clear

ASsalamu alaikum
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That's a very good philosophical point. But please answer this, "Are you not allowed to sacrifice ANYTHING in the afterlife?"
 
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