English Defence League London Protest

[S_87]

Naidamar, when was the last time you had any control over this government, when did they last listen to the people, the millions who marched against the war in Iraq.

Do they care that millions of people in this country have lost their jobs and homes, while the bankers walk away with millions.

Do they care that our troops are coming home in coffins, fighting a war in Afganistan, that no one wants.

They,Blair and Brown have stolen our democracy and made themselves rich, democracy, excuse me while I go and laugh,what a joke.
arturo.

i understand what ur saying and for what youve said mostly agree but consider this. the only time the UK was attacked by muslims and actually faced a serious threat was after in joined the so called war on terror and went on a slaughter spree to muslims in other countries. as a non muslim can you atleast understand how this breeds extremism?

 

[Blackpool]

i understand what ur saying and for what youve said mostly agree but consider this. the only time the UK was attacked by muslims and actually faced a serious threat was after in joined the so called war on terror and went on a slaughter spree to muslims in other countries. as a non muslim can you atleast understand how this breeds extremism?

What has this got to do with ordinary British citizens? The majority of the population in Britain opposed any invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan. Ok, we voted for this party but war was never on their manifesto. Everything were based on LIES.

I'll give you an idea of how democracy works in Britain. Labour PROMISED us a referendum on the EU Treaty. Hundreds of thousands of petitions were sent to 10 Downing Street, the vast majority of people polled in favour of a referendum. What did Gordon Brown do? He ignored the country, broke his party's promise to the people and went to sign the EU Treaty. He handed power to Brussels. This slimey government in no way represents the British public.

So, are the killing of innocent people justified? I support the EDL's cause.

 

[The_Prince]

What has this got to do with ordinary British citizens? The majority of the population in Britain opposed any invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan. Ok, we voted for this party but war was never on their manifesto. Everything were based on LIES.

I'll give you an idea of how democracy works in Britain. Labour PROMISED us a referendum on the EU Treaty. Hundreds of thousands of petitions were sent to 10 Downing Street, the vast majority of people polled in favour of a referendum. What did Gordon Brown do? He ignored the country, broke his party's promise to the people and went to sign the EU Treaty. He handed power to Brussels. This slimey government in no way represents the British public.

So, are the killing of innocent people justified? I support the EDL's cause.

just as you support the EDL'S cause we support the cause of Muslims who fight and rise against your tyranny, as well as the cause of Muslims who wish to have a right to their religion in the west.

 

[S_87]

What has this got to do with ordinary British citizens? The majority of the population in Britain opposed any invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan. Ok, we voted for this party but war was never on their manifesto. Everything were based on LIES.

ask those iraqi and afghani citizens what they did to deserve having their ENTIRE country blitzed and what they think of the british government for doing it. when you get that answer, ask yourself what did they do wrong? of course the ordinary british citizen is not to be blamed without a doubt...its the governments problem. but its politics, just like the afghan and iraqi citizens-they didnt know what hit them when bombs were raining down on them. what did they do do deserve it?

I'll give you an idea of how democracy works in Britain. Labour PROMISED us a referendum on the EU Treaty. Hundreds of thousands of petitions were sent to 10 Downing Street, the vast majority of people polled in favour of a referendum. What did Gordon Brown do? He ignored the country, broke his party's promise to the people and went to sign the EU Treaty. He handed power to Brussels. This slimey government in no way represents the British public.

yeh its sucks and i in NO way condone terrorist acts. BUT britain IS a democratic country is it not? whether its an idiot that doesnt listen to his people after being voted in or not, he was elected

So, are the killing of innocent people justified? I support the EDL's cause.

no its not justified and whether they are muslim or not doesnt matter..wrong is wrong

 

[GuestFellow]

What has this got to do with ordinary British citizens? The majority of the population in Britain opposed any invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan. Ok, we voted for this party but war was never on their manifesto. Everything were based on LIES.

I'll give you an idea of how democracy works in Britain. Labour PROMISED us a referendum on the EU Treaty. Hundreds of thousands of petitions were sent to 10 Downing Street, the vast majority of people polled in favour of a referendum. What did Gordon Brown do? He ignored the country, broke his party's promise to the people and went to sign the EU Treaty. He handed power to Brussels. This slimey government in no way represents the British public.

So, are the killing of innocent people justified? I support the EDL's cause.

No sister amani simply stated how extremism breeds and stated direct the source of the problem.

Of course I agree with you. The public are innocent and anger should not be directed towards them.

It works both way. To fight against those who encourage extremists and to deal with the direct source of the problem. Otherwise conflicts will never resolve and will continue to take place in the future but in a different shape and form.

EDL may fight against extremists but their methods are failing. Maybe they should try different tactics such as talking instead of demonstrations.

 

[Cabdullahi]

the EDL are worried about the excessive muslim influence when we compare it with the western world and its input in the muslim lands it would truly be diddley-squat

the EDL member said he fears for his wife,daughters and so on but the thing is they can watch eastenders ,shop at newlook and beautif y their nails whilst women in afghanistan and iraq watch their children being raped by the so called democratic soldiers .

On top of that these far right groups say 'muslims are doing this and that but it is silly

There is a sudden spike of hatred against muslims from all quarters and history tells us that media outlets were big players against then the number one enemy ''communism'' which strangely enough the muslims played apart to nullify

now that communism is gone the obstacle still there is islam and it is slowing your zionists and secularists plan to push for the sought after 'Novus Ordo Seclorum'

 

[arturo]

Yes I do understand why the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan generate great anger among Muslims and I think it does the same to many others too and we are helpless to be able to do anything about it. But I don't think being violent to each other is any answer,It'l Just be a violent circle.

Will the next lot be any different, my feeling is no, so what happens next, more of the same.

Some times people only see what the media tells, so, for example they don't talk about the hard working Muslim families, they just see the violence and it scares them and extremists use the fear against us all. They twist things, just like they have with the EDL and the big problem now is that the thugs will see us as one them, and speaking for my self I am most certainly not, I'm a believer in a compassionate society, where all the different groups work together to produce a better place to live.

You're right there is this feeling going round that is anti Islam, fed by the media and the politicians.
But they'd be stuffed if we all stood together.
arturo

 

[S_87]

Yes I do understand why the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan generate great anger among Muslims and I think it does the same to many others too and we are helpless to be able to do anything about it. But I don't think being violent to each other is any answer,It'l Just be a violent circle.

Will the next lot be any different, my feeling is no, so what happens next, more of the same.

Some times people only see what the media tells, so, for example they don't talk about the hard working Muslim families, they just see the violence and it scares them and extremists use the fear against us all. They twist things, just like they have with the EDL and the big problem now is that the thugs will see us as one them, and speaking for my self I am most certainly not, I'm a believer in a compassionate society, where all the different groups work together to produce a better place to live.

You're right there is this feeling going round that is anti Islam, fed by the media and the politicians.
But they'd be stuffed if we all stood together.
arturo

in that case the way to reach out against extremism is not through demos in the name of EDL

 

[Cabdullahi]

Yes I do understand why the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan generate great anger among Muslims and I think it does the same to many others too and we are helpless to be able to do anything about it. But I don't think being violent to each other is any answer,It'l Just be a violent circle.

Will the next lot be any different, my feeling is no, so what happens next, more of the same.

Some times people only see what the media tells, so, for example they don't talk about the hard working Muslim families, they just see the violence and it scares them and extremists use the fear against us all. They twist things, just like they have with the EDL and the big problem now is that the thugs will see us as one them, and speaking for my self I am most certainly not, ...............

so do you have a solution to combat extremism on both sides because smelly pub goers holding placards saying 'ban mosques' is a bit diabolical

 

[arturo]

I don't think that banning mosqes is the answer to any thing and as I don't frequent pubs, it's some thing I don't know about, I may have the odd glass of wine at home, but I stopped going to them when they became loud and full of drunken Idiots.

I think the mosqe thing became an issue when the media and that Muslim chap who has written a book about them being one of the places where youngsters were turned into extremists.

My own opinion is I have nothing at against any place of worship, be it, a mosqe, church or synagog.

I really don't know the way forward, I or EDL can't stop the wars. Only parliament can do that.

Can I ask what your opinion of Anjem Choudary is? Im not asking for anyone to be disloyal or to run him down. Just is he well thought of?
arturo

 

[Uthman]

Greetings arturo,

Can I ask what your opinion of Anjem Choudary is? Im not asking for anyone to be disloyal or to run him down. Just is he well thought of?

To be honest, most Muslims aren't even aware that he exists.

 

[arturo]

Thanks Uthman, funny enough I go back to the EDL website and am confronted by headlines in the Sun, where he said that Muslims will out breed us, take over and instal sharia law.
I'm, frankly bewildered, what does he hope to gain by statements like this, stir things up, with the Sun aiding and abetting,I'm not that good at maths, but it would mean the Muslim women would have to produce 40 or 50 million babies by 2050 and it would mean a population of about 90 odd million.It's a silly thing to say.

What is scary is that people are already inflamed by it and it's created more tension and more ammunition for the likes of Griffin and the other right wingers.

He said this in the Lea Bridge road Mosque.
arturo

 

[GuestFellow]

Can I ask what your opinion of Anjem Choudary is? Im not asking for anyone to be disloyal or to run him down. Just is he well thought of?
arturo

Ah he should be imprisoned. Many Muslim don't agree what he has to say...then again not many know what he exists.

Greetings arturo, To be honest, most Muslims aren't even aware that he exists.

I just found out about him when I joined this forum lol.

 

[arturo]

Thanks Guestfellow and I must say I feel better about the possibilties of a debate.
arturo

 

[The_Prince]

Thanks Uthman, funny enough I go back to the EDL website and am confronted by headlines in the Sun, where he said that Muslims will out breed us, take over and instal sharia law.
I'm, frankly bewildered, what does he hope to gain by statements like this, stir things up, with the Sun aiding and abetting,I'm not that good at maths, but it would mean the Muslim women would have to produce 40 or 50 million babies by 2050 and it would mean a population of about 90 odd million.It's a silly thing to say.

What is scary is that people are already inflamed by it and it's created more tension and more ammunition for the likes of Griffin and the other right wingers.

He said this in the Lea Bridge road Mosque.
arturo

well sometimes you might have to conclude (and im starting to believe this) that he works for the government! this guy has said some of the craziest stuff u can hear, including the condoning of murder, and advocating of violence, yet he is still FREE and allowed to do as he pleases, and on top of that many of his close associates are on government pay. either the government is hiring this guy to create social tension and division for their own future purposes, or he is an informant working with them, which allows him to stay such wack things and remain free.

 

[S_87]

I think the mosqe thing became an issue when the media and that Muslim chap who has written a book about them being one of the places where youngsters were turned into extremists.

this MIGHT have been credible if the media didnt use the tablighi jamat name as they have. every muslim knows that tablighi jamat masjids dont get involved in politics at ALL and TJ is like christian missionary. thats what they do..go around preaching islam. no politics NOTHING.
so when the media starts talking about sinister TJ mosques i for one find it hilarious because if they are going to label, atleast use the right ones.

Can I ask what your opinion of Anjem Choudary is? Im not asking for anyone to be disloyal or to run him down. Just is he well thought of?
arturo

i think he calls the media before they have their conferences where they slate. honestly the media loves him and he loves the media...not a fan of him at all.

 

[S_87]

,I'm not that good at maths, but it would mean the Muslim women would have to produce 40 or 50 million babies by 2050 and it would mean a population of about 90 odd million.It's a silly thing to say.


arturo

plus those irresponsible teenage pregnancies soooooo have to stop

 

[Cabdullahi]

plus those irresponsible teenage pregnancies soooooo have to stop

that wont stop so long as shows like big brother and skins are aired

 

[arturo]

An Invitation to the English Defence League

Indeed, Allah (SWT), the One true God, sent the Final Messenger Muhammad (SAW) and the Qur'an as a guidance for all mankind, providing detailed rules on how to regulate the affairs of society. These divine rules are collectively known as the Shari'ah, and are capable of solving all of the ills of society that mankind currently faces.

For the past four months, Islam4UK have successfully launched Islamic Roadshow's up and down the United Kingdom, providing the British community with a unique opportunity to experience the exquisite beauty of the Shari'ah. The latest roadshow, in Woolwich south London, which took place on Saturday 29th August 2009, was particularly fruitful, and effectively demonstrated why the Shari'ah is needed to aid burgeoning problems such as poverty, racism and general corruption.


In light of this, we have recently seen the emergence of a new organisation called, ‘The English Defence League'. On their website http://www.englishdefenceleague.org/index.html they describe themselves as an organisation that,

"...has been formed by English people who are tired of our government letting terrorists preach murder on our streets. It is not an act of fascism to oppose terrorists and the Shari'ah."

As misinformed as they may be about Islam, recent events have also shown that they are being poorly represented in the public arena by various media outlets; incorrect comparisons have been drawn between its members and those from among the British National Party, who are known for their particularly racist views and consequently, we felt it necessary to clarify the reality of the English Defence League to help elucidate the correct method in dealing with a party, which essentially are against those individuals who wish to implement the Shari'ah of Allah (SWT) here in Britain.

One such organisation, which has played a large role in distorting the reality of the English Defence League, is the Unite Against Fascism party. The UAF (Unite Against Fascism) party, who in an attempt to gain popular support among the British community, have taken it upon themselves to hijack protests led by members of the English Defence League to further their own socialist led policies, in a typical ‘underdog' themed campaign.

As a result of this clear distortion, which they are fully aware of, we call upon the UAF to cease such baseless demonstrations regarding an organisation that clearly has nothing to do with them; we also call upon those so-called Muslim members of UAF, to hastily review their positions before it is too late, as it is clear that such membership is in direct opposition to the Deen of al-Islam.

As far as the English Defence League is concerned, indeed we are aware of your demonstrations against our aspirations to transform Britain into an Islamic State, and we would like to invite you to a constructive debate to discuss the reality of British law and its suitability to govern the masses.

We would also like to clarify many of the misconceptions you have about the Shari'ah, which unfortunately, as you yourselves have experienced (at the hands of UAF), has been heavily distorted by the media and other deceitful organisations.

Verily, we believe that it is only Almighty God who should be followed, worshipped and obeyed, and we challenge you to prove otherwise.

 

[arturo]

I have in fact emailed them and I'll see what they say, altho I have to say that while I've got no problem with Muslims using this on a civil leval. Where the law of the land is concerned it must be one law for all.
I know that many are totaly against the Idea and see it as a first step to an Islamic state.
artur