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Tony said:
I have been following thread and think that i need to come to Arturos defense, I understand what is being said, and I have to admit that at times us white heterosexual English males seem to have less rights than anyone and are unable to voice opinions for fear of accusations of bigotry. Yes there are problems within British society that enables right wing fascists to hijack any cause and pervert it for their own ends, but, surely there is a rightfor British people to be conscerned and to voice conscern about losing our national identity without being chastised. When a voice is drowned out before it is listened to it is surely the same bullying technique adopted by people who hate without ever trying to understand diversity.
I am not sure what the EDL are hoping for by inviting muslims to burn flags alongside them etc, but I strongly feel that the slightly misguided EDL are in fact a genuine voice for those of us who would like to ensure our heritage and way of life.In the tollerant system of Islam there is room for this and we should be working together in order that all our needs and aspirations are met amicably.
We dont need to crush people or beleifs just because were different and cramped together.
PEACE OUT BROTHERS
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I personally would like to know what is happening to white ppl and their culture, are whites being banned from pubs, nightclubs, having their singing and dancing, and many other things that are now associated with white culture etc.

lol what huge culture and identity change has happened, are english ppl being forced to wear turbans, burqas, hijabs, jewish caps, long robes, or chinsea type clothing? etc etc
 
English culture is changing for the worst, but not because of Islam or Muslims, infact if anyone studies, they will find that traditional british values and culture is very similar to Islamic values and traditions, it is this new modern day secular version that is changing the identity of England.
 
traditional british values:

-respect for women
-chasity
-hard justice
-well behaved society
-respect for the elder
-close familly

all of the above is traditional english values which is getting lost, and all of the above is in common with Islam.
 
The_Prince said:
traditional british values:

-respect for women
-chasity
-hard justice
-well behaved society
-respect for the elder
-close familly

all of the above is traditional english values which is getting lost, and all of the above is in common with Islam.
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You know brother I have come to notice that you are attacking all people whatever their veiws are, yes English identity is disappearing, you need to understand that Britain has a right to beleive or not beleive in Islam. You need to respect the people of England more brother, this is not an Islamic country and as such the people who were here before the arrival of muslims feel somewhat threatened by Islam. Do not misunderstand me, I am a proud and ardent muslim, butthe mass influx of differing cultures and peoples are impacting on the English way of life whether you like to hear this or not. You are my brother, and as such I feel you need to stop attacking people for the sake of it, I, and others are perfectly within their rights to voice conscern over what feels like a loss of identity, my post previously was a genuine and thought out response, I did not expect a brother whos roots are from another country to chastise me for exercising my freedom of expression. So while I understand what your saying brother, please give credit where its due and accept that their are veiws other than your own, peace
 
Tony said:
You know brother I have come to notice that you are attacking all people whatever their veiws are, yes English identity is disappearing, you need to understand that Britain has a right to beleive or not beleive in Islam. You need to respect the people of England more brother, this is not an Islamic country and as such the people who were here before the arrival of muslims feel somewhat threatened by Islam. Do not misunderstand me, I am a proud and ardent muslim, butthe mass influx of differing cultures and peoples are impacting on the English way of life whether you like to hear this or not. You are my brother, and as such I feel you need to stop attacking people for the sake of it, I, and others are perfectly within their rights to voice conscern over what feels like a loss of identity, my post previously was a genuine and thought out response, I did not expect a brother whos roots are from another country to chastise me for exercising my freedom of expression. So while I understand what your saying brother, please give credit where its due and accept that their are veiws other than your own, peace
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and i have the right to call nonsense when i see nonsense, and the right to speak out when i see immigrants getting the blame for problems that arent actually theirs, the english ppl need to get their act together and stop blaming others. is it because of immigrants that 9 out of 10 english will be obease by 2050? is it because of immigrants that england has a huge teen pregnancy and abortion problem? is it because of immigrants that england has a huge youth and social alcohol problem which is leading to the decay of its health as a whole according to doctors? is it because of immigrants that england found itself in an econamic mess that cost alot of english ppl their job??? the list goes on and on, if english ppl are losing their identity its because of their own backward ways that they have fallen into, and im sorry if u dont like that, but im not gonna sit here and just let u blame outsiders for problems that are obviously not due to them, get over it.
 
and btw, i apply this standard to ALL people, not just to the english, it makes me sick when i hear citizens of a country always blaming foreign ppl living in their country for their problems, i dont just attack english ppl for it, but many others as well, so im not just picking on england, i call nonsense wherever i see it, immigrants have always been the conveniant scape goats, just like the Jews in the Nazi era, and the ones in russia who are constantly getting attacked by neo nazi skin heads, this is nothing new.
 
The_Prince said:
English culture is changing for the worst, but not because of Islam or Muslims, infact if anyone studies, they will find that traditional british values and culture is very similar to Islamic values and traditions, it is this new modern day secular version that is changing the identity of England.
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I wonder what's the reason. Capitalism? Feminism? Consumptionism? Secularism of the society? Xenophobia? Hedonism? Are young Israelis or Arabs different from us much? I think that yes and no. I dont know honestly. But I wish that we were more like modern Israelis and Arabs, more vital, religious, active, concerned. Does this process touch only Brittons? Of course not, it touches europeans from Lizbon to Warsaw.
 
The_Prince said:
and i have the right to call nonsense when i see nonsense, and the right to speak out when i see immigrants getting the blame for problems that arent actually theirs, the english ppl need to get their act together and stop blaming others. is it because of immigrants that 9 out of 10 english will be obease by 2050? is it because of immigrants that england has a huge teen pregnancy and abortion problem? is it because of immigrants that england has a huge youth and social alcohol problem which is leading to the decay of its health as a whole according to doctors? is it because of immigrants that england found itself in an econamic mess that cost alot of english ppl their job??? the list goes on and on, if english ppl are losing their identity its because of their own backward ways that they have fallen into, and im sorry if u dont like that, but im not gonna sit here and just let u blame outsiders for problems that are obviously not due to them, get over it.
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Brother chill out, Im not blaming any foreign people for the lack of identity English people feel, its our government that have lead us to this, what you see as nonsense is actuelly very real to the vast majority. Look theres nothing wrong with fire in the belly or a militant attitude to opposing beliefs, but bro, make sure you are right in what you are saying first. Englands backward ways, as you put it are still Englands ways, what right have you to criticise England for its choices, if Allah wanted it changed then it would be, but until that time Englanders have the right to either choose Islam or to be headonistic beer swillers, they were already this b4 the intro of Islam.
And yes, I can connect the influx of 20,000,000 people or so with the rise in crime, the suffering moral standards, what I can also do is point out that there are equal parts white English, Asian, black, eastern block etc etc to blame for it.
I get you brother, and I admire your steadfstness but I see it from both angles and whether you agree or not, English people have the right to be conscerned with what is fundamentally a change in the dynamics of the country they have every right to love and want to preserve. Im on your side bro but we need to give and take, I hate the skin head, bnp fascists as much as anyone, but the average Englishman/woman should be allowed to speak up for what they want in their own country without being blasted for it.
Peace and respect bro, I hope you take what I am saying in the spirit of how its meant, I am Muslim but I am English also and I love our way of life, when you look at English morals they are good strong morals, their are many factors attributing to the downfall we are experiencing, but the English traditions and way of life we have defended for so long is not part of it
 
Amadeus85 said:
I wonder what's the reason. Capitalism? Feminism? Consumptionism? Secularism of the society? Xenophobia? Hedonism? Are young Israelis or Arabs different from us much? I think that yes and no. I dont know honestly. But I wish that we were more like modern Israelis and Arabs, more vital, religious, active, concerned. Does this process touch only Brittons? Of course not, it touches europeans from Lizbon to Warsaw.
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atheist humanist secularism.
 
Tony said:
Brother chill out, Im not blaming any foreign people for the lack of identity English people feel, its our government that have lead us to this, what you see as nonsense is actuelly very real to the vast majority. Look theres nothing wrong with fire in the belly or a militant attitude to opposing beliefs, but bro, make sure you are right in what you are saying first. Englands backward ways, as you put it are still Englands ways, what right have you to criticise England for its choices, if Allah wanted it changed then it would be, but until that time Englanders have the right to either choose Islam or to be headonistic beer swillers, they were already this b4 the intro of Islam.
And yes, I can connect the influx of 20,000,000 people or so with the rise in crime, the suffering moral standards, what I can also do is point out that there are equal parts white English, Asian, black, eastern block etc etc to blame for it.
I get you brother, and I admire your steadfstness but I see it from both angles and whether you agree or not, English people have the right to be conscerned with what is fundamentally a change in the dynamics of the country they have every right to love and want to preserve. Im on your side bro but we need to give and take, I hate the skin head, bnp fascists as much as anyone, but the average Englishman/woman should be allowed to speak up for what they want in their own country without being blasted for it.
Peace and respect bro, I hope you take what I am saying in the spirit of how its meant, I am Muslim but I am English also and I love our way of life, when you look at English morals they are good strong morals, their are many factors attributing to the downfall we are experiencing, but the English traditions and way of life we have defended for so long is not part of it
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btw, just to make myself more clear, this isnt uniquely english, the arabs are just as bad, and have fallen into the same mess.

i have no problem with english ppl wanting to fix their country up, but my problem is when they pin point that problem on outsiders, and assume that the way to fix the problem is by blaming the immigrants and thinking that once immigrants are out etc then the problem will be solved and everything will be good.

and you mention english morals, i agree, traditional english morals are very in line with Islamic ones, im not sitting here saying english morals are backwards, this modern era of secularism from many atheists is whats gotten england into this social decay that their experiancing. and not just England, but most countries around the world including Muslim ones.

humanist atheist secularism needs to be rejected or reformed. i mean in england there are adverts on the radio that say: want to be cool, wear a condemn!!!!!!!! this is all thanks to these secular atheists who promote such things.
 
Prince, of course muslims are not directly to blame for what you may call a loss of identity,but there has been a huge influx of many different cultures and some have remained very seperate, with a great lack of communcation and understanding.
There is a great deal of ignorence and also a lack of common purpose.
Much of this has been brought about by politicians. They have created a divided nation.
Quite honestly I don't know the answer.
arturo.
 
I've talked to some members of the EDL and they would like to have a discussion with some of you and I've been asked to invite you to our forum.

It's been suggested that there should be some rules for the discussion.

No personal attacks
No bad language
Stay on topic, which would be on how to find a way forward re extremists.

If those taking part would like to add to the rules, please do so.
Thanks, arturo.
 
aturo, remember how you said the harrow mosque incident was wrong, and you guys dont intend to protest infront of mosques etc, well here are your fellow members supporting harrow mosque protest part 2!

http://s1.zetaboards.com/EDL_The_Forum/topic/2310909/2/

:-), now what do you say? the SIOE are planning to protest outside harrow mosque again, and your fellow EDL members are backing it, and are wanting to join, they just want 'official' confirmation, but that doesnt matter, what does matter is that we know that there are EDL members who support it, and support such things. :) tut tut, so much for the EDL members not thinking its ok to protest outside mosques.

lol whats more funny is that the harrow mosque is a very liberal mosque, and isnt even that orthodox, talk about stupidity and turning the wrong type of Muslims to go against you.
 
So I just entered EDL forum into google and got directed to stormfront forum !!!!!!!!! Is this the site EDL want to discuss with muslims on ? The first thing I noticed were the rules ststing that the forum would tolerate no rascist language etc etc, the second thing I noticed was the rascist landuage, the third was the anti Asian photos, stories and rhetoric.
I advise any muslim who has been considering engaging in any discussion with these vile animals to reconsider, they are not worth the effort of registering into there squalid, rascist and frankly unintelligent arena.:raging:
 
There are plenty of members on there shouting them down, plenty on their trying to hijack our forum and the movement.They post wind up posts and if you can't see that, what can I say.
The BNP have now said we are a Zionist plot. Now every one hates us, amazing.

Think about this, why would we invite for a you discussion, we need to prove that the wind up,far right etc are wrong, they can't hijack us.
But, fair enough, I see your points.
arturo
 
So stormfront have managed to use google to direct people to their site. I'll put up a direct link, there are people who don't want us to talk, some of them do post on EDL but there are plenty who do want a discussion and some have suggested somewhere neutral, so maybe that's one way round it.

When I first came on here there were people who were suggesting violence, that didn't make me run away, it made me want to put my point of view in a reasonable way. To argue my case.

There are hotheads who want EDL to be involved in the Harrow mosque protest and EDL said no, it's a stupid thing to do.It would lead to violence. We are peaceful.
arturo.
 
ok fair enough, I never heard of stormfront b4. Can u provide a direct link please Arturo
 
The British National Party has declared the English Defence League a proscribed organisation and it will be a disciplinary offence for any party member to be involved with that group.

Making the announcement today in a special organiser s bulletin circulated within the party, national organiser Eddy Butler said that although the proscription had been ordered a while ago, it was being made public today because the controlled media continues to lie about the BNP and the EDL.

Time and time again the lying media has linked the BNP with the EDL s activities, said Mr Butler.

Most recently the media and the BBC Eastern regional service, in particular, lost no time in blaming the BNP when Muslim rioters attacked police in Luton.

The BBC coverage of that event specifically said that the BNP had planned to march through Luton, and this was why the Muslims had rioted, he said.

This is, of course, an utter lie. The BNP does not march in the streets but rather campaigns in an ordinary democratic fashion in elections, door-to-door canvassing and leafleting, Mr Butler continued.

It is completely malicious and unwarranted to blame the supposed activities of organisations such as the EDL on the BNP, when there is no common ground between the two groups at all.

The EDL has, in fact, gone out of its way to distance itself from the BNP, while the party has no interest in the sort of confrontation in which the EDL seems to seek.

In his official statement, Mr Butler said the proscription of the EDL meant that it will be a disciplinary offence for British National Party members to associate or participate in any event or activity organised by the English Defence League or hold membership of the English Defence League.

The reasons for this proscription are that the English Defence League, through its activities, brings nationalist and patriotic politics into disrepute. If the English Defence League is not instigated by and its activities are not encouraged by the state (which it quite possibly is), then the track record of this organisation shows that it is run by people who will only bring discredit and probable arrest for anyone who attends its events.

The British National Party does not wish to be associated with the English Defence League in any way whatsoever. Mr Butler s circular ended with a request for any party official who becomes aware of any member who breaks this rule to report such incidents to [email protected].
 
Hi Tony, I'd never heard of them until yesterday, trying to research them, I'll get back to you soon.
arturo.
 
Arturo im sorry but its becomming quite obvious that voices as yours are starting to get drowned out by many other extreme right wing EDL members. I've just visited the forum and saw another moderate EDL member being talked down to, and being warned against, and being labelled as a leftist or some Musim Taqqiya tactician!

i mean there are now threads after threads to bash Islam (not fairly critique it, but bash and attack and use the same common tactic of oh Islam is evil, and makes Muslims evil bla bla)

and more threads appearing to bash Muslims as well, for instance one about Muslims not getting car insurance when the article cited doesnt even say such a thing, and state that its mostly whites not getting it!

how can you honestly expect any Muslim to sit there as a member and be part of it when you have threads demonizing their religion, calling for boycotts of Muslim nations and business', and making bigoted labels to them which are blatantly false.
 

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