Israel calls for action on Iran

[IslamicRevival]

It's the Iranians who are doing the 'fooling', not the Israelis. Whether they actually are seriously developing nuclear weapons or not doesn't really matter; you need to look at it from the Israeli point of view, which Ahmadinejad is setting up for them, as in a theatre. What they are seeing is

a) Iran is developing nuclear facilities with the potential of producing nuclear weapons.

b) The second facility was not announced until it was discovered.

c) Co-operation with the IEAE has been sporadic

d) The Iranians, virtually as we type, are testing missile systems capable of delivering such weapons on Israel.

e) Ahmadinejad has publicity stated that the State of Israel should be destroyed.

Given those facts, the Israelis will consider they have no alternative but to attempt to destroy those nuclear facilities. That is, of course, exactly what Ahmadinejad wants them to do - they know that, but still they will consider they have no choice.

Ahmadinejad is playing a very dangerous game. He is gambling, probably with decent odds, that the US will not intervene and that the Israeli attempt will fail.

I agree with him! These Israeli pigs should **** off outta Palestine and go back to where they came from...Thats the sewers (Where the rats belong!)! Either that or get bombed and taken out by the mighty Iran!

 

[GuestFellow]

^ Brother calm down. ._.

 

[nocturnal]

I suggested you need to appreciate the Israeli point of view to fully grasp the issue. As the Israelis are obviously not concerned about being targeted by either their own or American nukes the point is irrelevant.

As to the 'so what?', perhaps you should ask those living in Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Iraq, Kuwait and Saudi. A glance at your map will show what those countries have in common, and why their inhabitants might not be enthused at the idea of an Israeli / Iranian nuclear exchange.



They are under no more obligation to reveal 'plans' than anyone else. If, though, they didn't want to reveal the existence of nuclear facilities, they should have withdrawn from the treaties that require them to do so.

And if the whole reason is peaceful nuclear power generation only, what have they to hide? Again, consider how the Israelis will view Iranian actions.



They were not built for that purpose, although of course they could be used for it.



Ironic, possibly. Irrelevant in the context I am suggesting, certainly.

I am not arguing about who has a right to do what or even what the specific facts are - take note, too, mustafaisb. I am arguing that Iranian actions are intended to present a particular picture to the Israelis that forces them into a particular course of action.

Trumble, the agreements that Iran has so far ratified with the IAEA are not technically contravened by the disclosure of this second facility at Iran. If you look at the specifics of it, Qom was not in breach of the stipulations.

You've repeatedly tried to put Iran on the defensive here and refuse to accknowlege the principle of universality with respect to this issue. Iran has gone further in its dealings with the IAEA than Israel could possibly ever go. Israel is the one nation that recently openly rejected an IAEA resolution calling on it not just to become a signatory to the NPT, but to disclose immediately the full extent of its nuclear capacity. Again, the anti-semitism card was deployed vigorously by the israeli delegation.

 

[IslamicRevival]

^ Brother calm down. ._.

Calm Mode: Activated

 

[I<3Bush]

I am pretty sure caring while watching the TV really won't change matters any.. what do you propose any of us do?

all the best

I'm not sure I follow what you're trying to say? I was just replying to your suggestion for Iran and israel to go at it so they don't flood your precious news channels, like its nothing. I'm not trying to propose anything on anyone.

 

[Humbler_359]

Iran has EVERY right to have Nuclear Technology and its missiles, look at example of Pakistan, we don't care what the world think. Since Pakistan became 7th Nuclear Power (in 1998), we are too busy developing our own strengths and capable to counter any future enemy. Isreal (beside India) was planning to attack Pakistan during 1998, however they backed off because we informed Jewish State, we will attack your country if you cross line.

The Day Pakistan and Israel came close to WAR


Nobody give an evil eyes on Pakistan especially neighbours (Isreal and India).

 

[Ramadhan]

They were not built for that purpose, although of course they could be used for it.

Laughing Out Loud.

 

[north_malaysian]

a) Iran is developing nuclear facilities with the potential of producing nuclear weapons.

Although no official statistics exist, it has been estimated that Israel possesses between 60 to 400 thermonuclear weapons, believed to be of Teller-Ulam design, with all strategic warheads in the megaton-range

b) The second facility was not announced until it was discovered.

Officially Israel neither confirms nor denies possessing nuclear weapons.

c) Co-operation with the IEAE has been sporadic

How many time Israel "co-operate" with IAEA? Like "none".

d) The Iranians, virtually as we type, are testing missile systems capable of delivering such weapons on Israel.

On 8 October 1973 just after the start of the Yom Kippur War, Golda Meir and her closest aides decided to put eight nuclear armed F-4s at Tel Nof Airbase on 24 hour alert and as many nuclear missile launchers at Sedot Mikha Airbase operational as possible. Seymour Hersh adds that the initial target list that night "included the Egyptian and Syrian military headquarters near Cairo and Damascus."[161] This nuclear alert was meant not only as a means of precaution, but to push the Soviets to restrain the Arab offensive and to convince the US to begin sending supplies. One later report said that a Soviet intelligence officer did warn the Egyptian chief of staff, and colleagues of US National Security Advisor Henry Kissinger said that the threat of a nuclear exchange caused him to urge for a massive Israeli resupply.[162] Hersh points out that before Israel obtained its own satellite capability, it engaged in espionage against the United States to obtain nuclear targeting information on Soviet targets

e) Ahmadinejad has publicity stated that the State of Israel should be destroyed.

Operation Opera (Hebrew: מבצע אופרה‎, Mivtza Opera, also known as Operation Babylon and Operation Ofra) was a successful surprise Israeliair strike against the IraqiOsirak nuclear reactor (French: Osirak; Iraqi: Tammuz 1) in 1981.

Israel attacked Iraqi nuclear reactor. Iran?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapons_and_Israel
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Opera

 

[Trumble]

Please, could you guys actually READ my posts if you intend to reply to them? Let me repeat;

I am not arguing about who has a right to do what or even what the specific facts are. I am arguing that Iranian actions are intended to present a particular picture to the Israelis that forces them into a particular course of action.

That would read exactly the same in red type.

naidamaar, if you believe Israel developed nuclear weapons to enable an attack on Iran then you need to pay rather more attention in history class.

 

[جوري]

Aren't the things taught in history class dictated by Israel?

Israel bans use of Palestinian term 'nakba' in textbooks

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1102099.html

all the best!

 

[Trumble]

Aren't the things taught in history class dictated by Israel?

Not in Jakarta, I suspect.

 

[Ramadhan]

Not in Jakarta, I suspect.

Obviously we in Jakarta have access to more balanced view of world's politics.

 

[Amadeus85]

Actually I envy the Israeli state. In past in Europe jews were ussually victims, lead to death like lambs, harmless. Now they are powerful, brave but also cruel and merciless. Like romans or spartans.

 

[GuestFellow]

Actually I envy the Israeli state. In past in Europe jews were ussually victims, lead to death like lambs, harmless. Now they are powerful, brave but also cruel and merciless. Like romans or spartans.

I think all groups are persecuted at one point in history. Like some Black Africans were made put into slaves...

Even some Christians are still persecuted today.

 

[IslamicRevival]

Actually I envy the Israeli state. In past in Europe jews were ussually victims, lead to death like lambs, harmless. Now they are powerful, brave but also cruel and merciless. Like romans or spartans.

You envy a state full of murderers? How nice.

Also, you say the 'Jews' were the victims but so what, Yes it was a tragedy etc but why should Palestine pay for what Hitler did?

They are not powerful anyway, Hamas crushed them last year, Hezbollah absolutely ruined them in 2006. Both of them had limited equipment compared to the Israeli F16's etc..and even so, they forced them out of Lebanon/Gaza. If all the Muslims woke up and marched towards Israel right now, these devil Zionists would be vanished from the face of the earth and never to be seen again! And thats what you call powerful!

Israel are nobodies who think they are powerful. Give Hamas Tanks F16's, Give Hezbollah state of the art equipment and illegal phosphorous bombs and i guarantee you the Israeli devil forces (IDF) would be obliterated, leaving them to go back to the toilets where they belong

 

[جوري]

Not in Jakarta, I suspect.

well why not?
The shove it down your throat approach seems to work only on palis? there is no reason they don't go after it, every which style, it doesn't seem like a FACT, that they are even ashamed of!

all the best!

 

[Karl]

You envy a state full of murderers? How nice.

Also, you say the 'Jews' were the victims but so what, Yes it was a tragedy etc but why should Palestine pay for what Hitler did?

They are not powerful anyway, Hamas crushed them last year, Hezbollah absolutely ruined them in 2006. Both of them had limited equipment compared to the Israeli F16's etc..and even so, they forced them out of Lebanon/Gaza. If all the Muslims woke up and marched towards Israel right now, these devil Zionists would be vanished from the face of the earth and never to be seen again! And thats what you call powerful!

Israel are nobodies who think they are powerful. Give Hamas Tanks F16's, Give Hezbollah state of the art equipment and illegal phosphorous bombs and i guarantee you the Israeli devil forces (IDF) would be obliterated, leaving them to go back to the toilets where they belong

Israel basically rules the western world in mind and money. The head of the Zionist state is the USA and Britain so obliteration of Israel would be pointless it is just their Synagogue and USA, UK and parts of Western Europe and Australia are their homelands now. It would be like blowing up the Punjab, Uttar Pradesh and so forth to get at the Gypsies (Roma). The Zionist regime is the western world so that's why Iran is getting so much heat from them.
To liberate Palestine you would have to take out at least USA, UK and Israel...basically world war 3 would do it, but the Palestinians would probably be vaporised in the process. I think the Palestinians are either caught in a perpetual living Hell or obliteration. I can see that the only way they can thrive as a people is to get out of their homeland, be International Refugees.imsad

 

[czgibson]

Greetings,

Ah personally I'm sick of the Western countries + Israel constant rants. They need to mind their own business.

The Israelis are worried that they're going to be attacked by Iran. Whether you think they're right or wrong, surely that is their business?

Peace

 

[جوري]

^^ they are making it everyone's business when they constantly cry foul and by same token exempt themselves from the same warrants!

all the best

 

[I<3Bush]

Actually I envy the Israeli state. In past in Europe jews were ussually victims, lead to death like lambs, harmless. Now they are powerful, brave but also cruel and merciless. Like romans or spartans.

Whats there to envy?? As far as the isreali state goes, they have influence on several great nations. I would say the only thing they are powerful at is influencing others using their history as leverage. Brave? No comment...