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Do you remember why the Jews wanted to kill Jesus? Because he committed blasphemy.
What form did his blasphemy take? He made himself equal with God.
John 5:18 "For this reason the Jews tried all the harder to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God."
Further we know that the son is not a created being, but an eternal being:
"For as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the Son to have life in himself." (John 5:26)
Can anyone other than God give people the Spirit? Yet, we know that Jesus gives the Spirit:
In light of what Jesus said to the woman at the well in John 4 -- that he offers water that will become in us a spring of water welling up to eternal life -- it appears that Jesus is saying that he offers to people the gift of the Holy Spirit. Yet, in John 3, speaking with Nicodemus, Jesus made it clear that the Spirit blows wherever He pleases. Thus the only way that Jesus could be able to promise to give the Spirit to any person would be if he was able to personally identify himself with the Spirit. It is this same Spirit that flows within a person as a stream of living water, which Jesus also identified himself with. The only way this makes sense is if we understand that Jesus and the Spirit are one and the same. As Jesus is corpreal and the Spirit is not, this then only makes sense if we are able to understand that Jesus is more than he appears to be based solely on our five senses. And with this understanding that Jesus is more than just what meets one eye, passages like John 8:58 ("Before Abraham was born, I am!") and John 10:30 ("I and the Father are one.") no longer become cryptic speach, but clear statements of Jesus' incarnated diety. And though I doubt that the Jews understood that this was true, they did understand that this was what Jesus was claiming and on both occassionaly, subsequently sought to stone him for blasphemy:
John 10:31-33
John, who was selective in what he included and did not include in this Gospel, puts this in because he wants us to know that this is who Jesus is. For him to say as he would at the close of his gospel that he wrote it to introduce us to Jesus as the Son of God, and not to see this as synonymous with Jesus being divine would require John to include some commentary on the Jews' statement. He does not. The reason is because for John the statement that "you, a mere man, claim to be God" and "these are written so that you may believe that jesus is the Christ, the Son of God..." (John 20:31) are saying one and the same thing. They are saying that we should join Thomas in the acclamation that Jesus is "My Lord and my God!"
You can say that you don't believe it to be true. But it is to twist John to saying something different than he intended to say that this was not his view.
What form did his blasphemy take? He made himself equal with God.
John 5:18 "For this reason the Jews tried all the harder to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God."
Further we know that the son is not a created being, but an eternal being:
"For as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the Son to have life in himself." (John 5:26)
Can anyone other than God give people the Spirit? Yet, we know that Jesus gives the Spirit:
"If anyone is thirsty, let him come to me and drink. Whoever believes in me, as the Scripture has said, streams of living water will flow from within him." By this he meant the Spirit, whom those who believed in him were later to receive.
(John 7:37b-39a)
In light of what Jesus said to the woman at the well in John 4 -- that he offers water that will become in us a spring of water welling up to eternal life -- it appears that Jesus is saying that he offers to people the gift of the Holy Spirit. Yet, in John 3, speaking with Nicodemus, Jesus made it clear that the Spirit blows wherever He pleases. Thus the only way that Jesus could be able to promise to give the Spirit to any person would be if he was able to personally identify himself with the Spirit. It is this same Spirit that flows within a person as a stream of living water, which Jesus also identified himself with. The only way this makes sense is if we understand that Jesus and the Spirit are one and the same. As Jesus is corpreal and the Spirit is not, this then only makes sense if we are able to understand that Jesus is more than he appears to be based solely on our five senses. And with this understanding that Jesus is more than just what meets one eye, passages like John 8:58 ("Before Abraham was born, I am!") and John 10:30 ("I and the Father are one.") no longer become cryptic speach, but clear statements of Jesus' incarnated diety. And though I doubt that the Jews understood that this was true, they did understand that this was what Jesus was claiming and on both occassionaly, subsequently sought to stone him for blasphemy:
John 10:31-33
31Again the Jews picked up stones to stone him, 32but Jesus said to them, "I have shown you many great miracles from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?"
33"We are not stoning you for any of these," replied the Jews, "but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God."
John, who was selective in what he included and did not include in this Gospel, puts this in because he wants us to know that this is who Jesus is. For him to say as he would at the close of his gospel that he wrote it to introduce us to Jesus as the Son of God, and not to see this as synonymous with Jesus being divine would require John to include some commentary on the Jews' statement. He does not. The reason is because for John the statement that "you, a mere man, claim to be God" and "these are written so that you may believe that jesus is the Christ, the Son of God..." (John 20:31) are saying one and the same thing. They are saying that we should join Thomas in the acclamation that Jesus is "My Lord and my God!"
You can say that you don't believe it to be true. But it is to twist John to saying something different than he intended to say that this was not his view.
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