Pakistan sends 30,000 troops for all-out assault on Taliban

[The_Prince]

What part of "totally different issue" can't you grasp?

who said its a 'tottally different issue' thats your spin on it, as most of you will always spin it, whenever Muslims do do something, you spin it into a 'totally different issue'

 

[Wyatt]

who said its a 'tottally different issue' thats your spin on it, as most of you will always spin it, whenever Muslims do do something, you spin it into a 'totally different issue'

Who is "most of you"? Non-Muslims? That sure seems a bit arrogant of you to put so many people of the world into one stereotype.

I don't feel like you know what you're really talking about when you make this comment. I think if a Muslim would have said what Trumble did, you would have replied completely differently. Care to explain more on how all of us non-Muslims spin it all into totally different issues?

Religion is a bunch of politics, and politics is a bunch of religion.

 

[The_Prince]

Who is "most of you"? Non-Muslims? That sure seems a bit arrogant of you to put so many people of the world into one stereotype.

I don't feel like you know what you're really talking about when you make this comment. I think if a Muslim would have said what Trumble did, you would have replied completely differently. Care to explain more on how all of us non-Muslims spin it all into totally different issues?

Religion is a bunch of politics, and politics is a bunch of religion.

you= people like trumble.

 

[Wyatt]

you= people like trumble.

Ah, that explains everything. I was wrong, you do know what you're saying. Thanks for the clarification. :embarrass

 

[Karl]

So we send this much 30,000 troops. Why haven't they done this to Gaza? I mean, imagine: How do the Talibans feel right now? Having their own brothers and sisters attacking them together with U.S.!!!

They are sunni Muslims, correct?

I cannot believe this.

Maybe the Pakistan government is really Hindu? That's why they are such good buddies to the U.S. There are more Muslims in India anyway. Maybe it should get rid of the name "Islamic Republic of Pakistan" and be renamed "America's Monkey" as they have Western laws that are totally anti Islamic. Indonesia has sold out to the West too but at least it does not call itself an "Islamic Republic"!

 

[abdullah_001]

30,000 troops against the Taliban? Why all of a sudden? Whats the motive?

As far as I know there's like 3 different Taliban, the Pakistanis that call themselves Taliban, the actual Afghan Taliban and the Pakistanis who support the Afghan Taliban. Again, as far as I know, it is actually the Pakistani Taliban, that is really corrupt.

Maybe the Pakistan government is really Hindu? That's why they are such good buddies to the U.S. There are more Muslims in India anyway. Maybe it should get rid of the name "Islamic Republic of Pakistan" and be renamed "America's Monkey" as they have Western laws that are totally anti Islamic. Indonesia has sold out to the West too but at least it does not call itself an "Islamic Republic"!

That is funny because the only countries or governments we could actually claim were Islamic would be Somalia and the government of Taliban because they're at least trying to implement Islamic law lol.

 

[Humbler_359]

Italians bribed Taliban to prevent attack

UK army 'providing' Taliban with air transport



This is past and present TALIBAN Leaders

This is serious problems ! .

 

[InToTheRain]

This friend of mine who has recently went back home for in Pakistan for a couple of Months was saying how these FAKE Taliban's in Pakistan were doing terrible things. When they were caught and interrogated they didn't know the basics of Islam. He mentioned they were agents working from another country in order to destabilize Pakistan :hmm:

http://www.haqeeqat.org/2009/07/22/a-sikh-leader-india-is-behind-the-fake-taliban-why-are-pakistan-officials-silent/

 

[Argamemnon]

So, what if I don't object against the Taliban? Does that mean I suppost extrimism?

You would really regret it, if they came to power...

 

[Rasema]

You would really regret it, if they came to power...

I said I don't support extrimism. I just don't know who is worse, the Taliban or U.S.
Too much propaganda.
:wa:

 

[Eliphaz]

Pakistan, in my opinion, is the second most complicated place in the world after Palestine/Israel.

Mohammad Ali Jinnah in no way intended for it to become an Islamic State or a military state, rather his vision was for a secular, liberal country. Too bad he died before they could finish the constitution because at least then Pakistan would have stood for something. Four-something military coups later, we have Zardari, the corrupt husband of Benazir Bhutto, "Mr. 10 per cent", running the whole country and the Taliban-wannabes chipping away at the social order. Would Jinnah recognise the Pakistan of today?

I feel Pakistanis need to understand why the British Empire allowed Pakistan to be formed. It was because Pakistan would act as a buffer to the Soviet Union. Cue the Taliban. So which is the lesser of the three evils in the current climate: the current Zardari government, Taliban takeover, or a U.S. occupation? I would say Zardari has to keep control, for if these uneducated Taliban-wannabes take over it will trigger a U.S. invasion anyways. So lets hope Zardari can keep it on ice until Pakistan can sort itself out. :hmm:

 

[ardianto]

According to military strategy, number of attacker troops must three times bigger than their defensive enemy.
Now, do you understand why Pakistani govt send 30,000 troops ?.

 

[Woodrow]

According to military strategy, number of attacker troops must three times bigger than their defensive enemy.
Now, do you understand why Pakistani govt send 30,000 troops ?.

That is a minimum number. Most military commanders never the the number of troops they need to conduct an efficient offensive and make the error of attempting one with the few troops they get. Personally I think from a strategic point, Pakistan is making an error in attemting an offensive against the Talian with less than 50,000

 

[Masuma]

Pakistan, in my opinion, is the second most complicated place in the world after Palestine/Israel.

But don't you think Afghanistan and Iraq are more complicated places than Pakistan? At least we own our country still to ourselves. Btw complicated in what sense?

Mohammad Ali Jinnah in no way intended for it to become an Islamic State or a military state, rather his vision was for a secular, liberal country.

Muhammad Ali Jinnah got votes from Muslims only due to the reason that he offered them a promise of having an independent Islamic state. You are right that he never desired a military state. He always strongly opposed the army taking control over the political affairs.

Too bad he died before they could finish the constitution because at least then Pakistan would have stood for something.

Yeah too bad he died before we had a proper constitution. We have faced so much injustice at the hands of our leaders or they rightly be called as dictators. The result is that there are two kinds of Pakistanis now. One group called the politicians whom the whole or majority of the nation hate. The others are, we, the public.

Four-something military coups later, we have Zardari, the corrupt husband of Benazir Bhutto, "Mr. 10 per cent", running the whole country and the Taliban-wannabes chipping away at the social order. Would Jinnah recognise the Pakistan of today?

Nope he would never be able to! This Pakistan is not at all the Pakistan he desired. Who says we are free people now after getting independence? We are not. There has only been a change of leadership on us. Nothing else!

Zardari is the most infamous person nowadays in my country. The nation, as a whole would love to throw him off his throne! He has made all of us like beggars living on the charity of America! Yukh! He has totally destroyed the image of Pakistanis. We are under the burden of mountain high loans. But I wonder where do these loans go? Oh yeah in Zaradari's
pocket.:raging:

I feel Pakistanis need to understand why the British Empire allowed Pakistan to be formed.

One thing, British had no option left at the end but to let a new country being formed. The elections of 1945 left no alternative for the British.

It was because Pakistan would act as a buffer to the Soviet Union. Cue the Taliban.

The Talibans were not there at that time. They are the product of later times. The Soviet Union was also not on Afghan borders. So the creation of Pakistan is not the outcome of these two points.

So which is the lesser of the three evils in the current climate: the current Zardari government, Taliban takeover, or a U.S. occupation? I would say Zardari has to keep control, for if these uneducated Taliban-wannabes take over it will trigger a U.S. invasion anyways.

Zardari government is a lesser evil compared to other 2. Talibans are a threat but not as much bigger as USA. All this Taliban problem has been created by USA actually! USA made these Talibans to help them fight off the Soviet Union. But was it worth something? If there is no Soviet Union ruling over us, there is this USA doing this job perfectly. Even after the Taliban threat is over, USA would create an entirely new one for us. Afghanistan and Iraq are in USA control already. Now its our turn or Iran's! The "black water" U.S secret army who killed the Iraqis and Afghanis; raped their daughters and slaughtered their children are now in Pakistan. They have settled in our capital city Islamabad and are planning to have their hands on our nuclear weapons. U.S.A is clearly planning an invasion no matter what that requires!

So lets hope Zardari can keep it on ice until Pakistan can sort itself out. :hmm:

I pray the same. After finishing with Taliban, may we Pakistanis be able to throw USA off our heads and then to deal with Zardari and his inefficient PPP!

Please pray for us dear brother.

Allahafiz!imsad

 

[Masuma]

According to military strategy, number of attacker troops must three times bigger than their defensive enemy.
Now, do you understand why Pakistani govt send 30,000 troops ?.

Number of attacker troops may increase to far more than thrice our army's size in future as the Talibans are calling out for help the other Talibans of Afghanistan.

Oh Allah! What a trial has befallen us! America's propaganda is ultimately winning through. Do you know that America so treacherously has called off her army from the Afghan border posts so that the Taliban of Afghanistan also start pouring into Pakistan. American army was serving as barrier and so the Afghani Talibans were not finding their way through this army. But now as the army has been removed from its post, the Afghan Talibans would find it a piece of cake to land in Pakistan and blast its cities!


Believe me brother, our enemies are not Talibans but it is U.S.A. (When I say U.S.A, it means I am talking about U.S government having an anti-Pak propaganda. I am not talking about Americans as many of them are good people, just and fair in their views.)



America first created Talibans itself, then became against them and tried to make them get busy in war with Pakistan. The Talibans in Swat and the Pakistanis actually reached a peace treaty but of course America would not have endured it. America wanted Pakistan to remain in state of war and so it coined a plan which again let to disputes between Pakistanis and Talibans.
Talibans were actually trained to liberate Kashmir, a Muslim territory under the oppression of non-Muslims.

Do you know that America is somewhat trapped in Afghanistan. Its army is losing at the hands of Talibans who are trying to liberate Afghanistan from Americans. But how cleverly America played its turn. It has engaged Pakistanis in war with Talibans so that the Talibans of Afghanistan also come to fight with Pakistan army and America finds its coast clear in Afghanistan finally.

No matter who wins, I will lose. Suppose if 10 of my soldiers die, and 20 of Pakistani Talibans die, Pakistan would lose 30 Pakistanis in total. America would lose none of its people!

America has done air attacks on the Talibans and so they retaliated. Their method of retaliation was clearly wrong (by doing bomb blasts in many cities) but the Talibans were driven to this point. Yes I agree that some Talibans may be doing it for meeting their own ends but as a whole, I blame America. I will never forgive you America for taking so many lives of my people! InshAllah my Allah will soon inflict a severe punishment upon you!

Suppose if you are living in an area where there come some terrorists in your neighborhood. America finds it out and so it sends fighter jets to bomb your neighborhood. Its "so said" purpose is to only kill those terrorists but is America so foolish to realize that your house will also come fall in the air attack range? Of course not! The engineers can easily calculate the range which falls in particular air attacks. But America simply don't care for your life and for your family! You are not important to her. You are just so inferior to be even taken as a human being. America will simply come and bomb the terrorists' house but your house will also be bombed in the process. DO YOU CALL IT FAIR??? DO YOU CALL IT JUST? ffended:
Many people of Swat and Baluchistan lost their lives or their loved ones like this! What about them O people?
Hazrat Ali (r.a) says that fear those who have nothing else left to lose.

America by bombing the houses of innocent people prepared hundreds of suicide bombers on the spot!!!

Now its propaganda is nearly to be accomplished. I suggest that war has never been a right resort for something. It has never been a good alternative. Pakistani government should hold talks with the leaders of Talibans. It should not do whatever America says and should try to make Talibans understand that they are doing wrong. Killing all of them is not the right solution. But I think that that time has long been past.

Would you like to read a poem I wrote regarding this? Its not much scholarly but presents my true feelings.

Hail! Hail...! Hail to the Enemy
You Satan won!
Pakistan repelling you? Those days are simply gone!

Look O master! The wonders we are doing in your name.
Even killing our own brethren has brought us no shame!

Brother thirsty for other brother's blood.
A big achievement indeed!
We followed your footsteps and your whisperings were successful to mislead.

O you Satans!
I spit on your face and my curses on you!
Ruthlessly you slaughtered my people so why to left only a few?

"O my people! O MY PEOPLE!" I cried and cried.
They are dead; my heart pierced and my tears have dried.

No more tears are left but only blood,
So let the blood of my Ummah fall from my eyes.

I am dead, I am dying and I'll die.
No end to this suffering, O Allah, Oh beloved Allah! why?

Many people have simply vanished, their voices so unheard.
But listen to the winds, they carry their moans, their cries, their last words!

Will I ever be able to forgive you Satans? O that will never happen!
You have sown seeds of hatred, and fruits of your plans are ripened.

People killing one another who are not even their enemies.
Hail! Hail...! Hail to the Enemy!

But know this that I have stopped being hopeless from the moment Allah showed me guidance.
When He filled my heart with Truth so that I could smell Islam's fragrance.

So I'll wait, wait patiently for the Day,
When you will be ruined and punished, for that is Allah's way.

He gives you time, lots of time to turn to the Right.
But soon will you be destroyed and in dust will fall your might.

The mourning people, their cries echo in my head all the time,
Their pain splinters my heart and I ask you "their loved ones have been killed for what crime"?

Soon the blood of innocent will speak and the evil will be rooted out,
Then I may die peacefully for my mission will be accomplished for which I so long fought.

imsad

 

[waji]

A possibility--- it is a bit odd that they have such a large supply of American made weapons.

Are you sure American supplied the weapons and allowed to handover to Afghans
Well the supply was not that much first, second it was through Pakistan and alot of weapons were not given to Afghans


Mr. Hameed Gul who was the ISI chief during Afghan Russia war
he had said on numerous occasions that they got alot of confirmed news about some finding of caves full of weapons which were kept by Russians. He also told about the amount of weapons found in one those caves were so much that could equipped three Regiments of Army. and Afghanistan is filled with those kind of caves and he didn't knew how much more Taliban have found.

Till now how they are getting the Arms see this video
although the quality is not good but they are fighting with them


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9xf62PKC5M

 

[nocturnal]

I don't think Zardari and his generals can keep tabs on the Pakistani Taliban. We are talking about battle-hardened guerillas who have intimate knowledge of the mountainous areas in which they are embedded and from where they deploy scores of suicide bombers to wreak havoc.

I think in the end, Zardari will have to negotiate with them. I don't particularly subscribe to the Pakistani Taliban's vision of what Pakistan ought to be like, but im in no doubt that one of their principal grievances is with the complicity of the Zardari's administration in US drone attacks.

And also with respect to the Taliban, they may be uncivilised barbarians, but i think they too are under no illusion about what they're facing in the Pakistani Military. It is a formidable opponent that they cannot just repulse using Kaleshnikovs and RPGs in the face of such vast numbers of troops being poured into the tribal areas. They are possibly vying for more potent bargaining chips so in the end they will dictate terms for a new agreement that will again re-instate a devolved administration.

 

[Woodrow]

Are you sure American supplied the weapons and allowed to handover to Afghans
Well the supply was not that much first, second it was through Pakistan and alot of weapons were not given to Afghans


Mr. Hameed Gul who was the ISI chief during Afghan Russia war
he had said on numerous occasions that they got alot of confirmed news about some finding of caves full of weapons which were kept by Russians. He also told about the amount of weapons found in one those caves were so much that could equipped three Regiments of Army. and Afghanistan is filled with those kind of caves and he didn't knew how much more Taliban have found.

Till now how they are getting the Arms see this video
although the quality is not good but they are fighting with them


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9xf62PKC5M

I can not say it was weapons deliberately handed over to the Taliban, but an awful lot of USA weapons seem to have been lost or misplaced or otherwise unaccounted for. In my opinion the Taliban are either deliberately armed by the US or it is through gross negligence.

 

[ardianto]

Number of attacker troops may increase to far more than thrice our army's size in future as the Talibans are calling out for help the other Talibans of Afghanistan.

Actually, 3 attacker for 1 defender is a number for attack a fortress. But I think Taliban will not waiting for the enemy behind sand bags, they would use guerrillas tactic. And I guess number of attacker troops would increase when Pakistani govt realize, is very very hard to defeat Taliban.

Sister, I know you sad because some people show their hatred to Taliban. But I have a news, and I hope it will make you little feel better.
On some Indonesian TVs and many newspapers, Taliban are called as Pejuang not gerilyawan (Guerrillas) or milisi (Militia).
Maybe this is jut a word, but Pejuang is used only for call honored fighter who fight for defend the right. We never call terrorist as Pejuang.

 

[Masuma]

Actually, 3 attacker for 1 defender is a number for attack a fortress. But I think Taliban will not waiting for the enemy behind sand bags, they would use guerrillas tactic. And I guess number of attacker troops would increase when Pakistani govt realize, is very very hard to defeat Taliban.

Dear bro, Pak army is not to be taken lightly. Its not like puffing your chest with proud on something only imaginary, but it is true. Pak army has been counted as among the top six armies of the world. We are smaller in number but the tactics our army uses are far more superior to Taliban's disorganized attacks!

And yeah one more thing, Talibans even at the time of peace never remained hidde behind sandbags. They kept popping out from time to time blasting themselves in the middle of my poor public!

Talibans strategy is going to be even more vicious then simple guerrilla war tactics. They are planning to cause terror not only on the border but in general public too. They have been able to suspend the normal routine of the whole country. It is like one whole week has passed and the colleges, schools, working places and other institutions are closed. Nobody knows for sure when the normal routine will return. All are afraid of being blasted inb a suicide bomb attack.

I think it was yesterday when Pak police arrested 5 or 6 suicide bombers in Islamabad. They won't be makking it any easier for us but we don't fear them. If the army fails, the nation will face the Taliban itself. Cuz we know that only two options are left
1. kill Talibans
2. or being killed yourself.

Be a predator or be a prey. The path to the middle is no more there.

Pak has only sent a small portion of army to deal with Talibans cuz Pakistan believes that only these soldiers will be enough to kill them. Also that the tribes of northern areas like Pakhtuns and Balochis etc are also with the army. These tribe people are those whom no one has ever been able to subdue. They know all taliban strategies because like talibans, they too live in mountainous areas.

Govt has set a reward on the heads of talibans and the tribe people would do anything for money. So the probability of winning a war against Taliban by Pak army is much high!:statisfie

Sister, I know you sad because some people show their hatred to Taliban.

Noooooo! I am not sad due to this reason. Talibans activities rightly deserve hatred! I am sad only that it was American propaganda behind all this scene and America won't lose any of its army men but only Pak will suffer the casualties. And we are obeying America who has killed our own people but we don't care! If it wasn't have been America behind it, no trouble would have befallen Pak!

Maybe this is jut a word, but Pejuang is used only for call honored fighter who fight for defend the right. We never call terrorist as Pejuang.

O brother! Right can never be to kill innocent people! Right can never be to slaughter the little children, burn their schools and take out dead from their graves and hang them on the streets!

Talibans are NOT on the right path. Killing an innocent, well they have killed hundreds! I don't call it right! And nothing can justify this atrocious activity! Talibans are mislead people! We don't love them at all!

My hate is only for America due to which Pak is forced to kill the mislead people!