Israel calls for action on Iran

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Gossamer skye said:
^^ they are making it everyone's business when they constantly cry foul and by same token exempt themselves from the same warrants!

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Yes, I'd agree with you there.

It happens sometimes! :D

Peace
 
czgibson said:
Greetings,



The Israelis are worried that they're going to be attacked by Iran. Whether you think they're right or wrong, surely that is their business?

Peace
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Just as it is Iran's business to have nuclear capabilities? Its unfortunate that these types of weapons exist but unfortunately this is the world we live in today.
 
czgibson said:
Greetings,



The Israelis are worried that they're going to be attacked by Iran. Whether you think they're right or wrong, surely that is their business?

Peace
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Hiya!

But there is no evidence to suggest Iran is going to attack Israel...
 
I<3Bush said:
Just as it is Iran's business to have nuclear capabilities? Its unfortunate that these types of weapons exist but unfortunately this is the world we live in today.
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The trouble with that attitude is that is as more and more countries follow suit, sooner or later, somebody will use them. And if you think about it, looking at 'the world we live in today' with the two most likely nuclear face-offs being Israel and Iran, and the already existing Pakistan and India, the majority of the dead are likely to be muslims.

The situation is totally different from the NATO and Warsaw Pact stand-off of the Cold War. If any of those had been used the consequence would have been total annihilation - which is at least one reason why they never were. But you have a different ball game when some idiot thinks that they might get away with only using a few as the other guy only has a few as well; the 'first-strike' has a rationale again.

The only solution is to get rid of nuclear weapons - all of them. A huge chance was totally squandered at the end of the Cold War but the window is still ajar, but it closes a little further with each new member of the nuclear 'club'.
 
Iran insists on 'nuclear rights'

Iran has said it is not willing to discuss its "nuclear rights" during an upcoming meeting with the five permanent UN Security Council members.

The head of the country's atomic energy body also ruled out a suspension of Iran's nuclear enrichment programme.

But Ali Akbar Salehi said he would set out when and how inspectors could view Iran's second uranium enrichment plant.

The US has demanded "immediate and unfettered access" for International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) inspectors.

Iranian representatives will meet in Geneva on Thursday for talks with the five permanent Security Council seat holders - the UK, China, France, Russia and the US - plus Germany; the so-called P+1.

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Mr Salehi said there would be no bargaining about Iran's rights to nuclear technology and said Tehran had no plans to abandon its nuclear activities, "even for a second".

"We are not going to discuss anything related to our nuclear rights, but we can discuss about disarmament, we can discuss about non-proliferation and other general issues," he said.

“ We hope relevant countries can make efforts for the relaxation of the situation instead of doing things to the contrary ”

Jiang Yu Chinese Foreign Ministry

Iran revealed its second nuclear plant, thought to be near Qom, on 21 September.

The IAEA had requested "specific information and access to the facility as soon as possible" after receiving the letter from Tehran admitting to the existence of the plant.

Mr Salehi told the IAEA that no nuclear material had been introduced into the "new pilot fuel enrichment plant", which Tehran said was still under construction.

Tehran also said that enrichment levels would only be high enough to make nuclear fuel, not a bomb.

Mr Salehi revealed that the new facility had been positioned within a mountain, next to a military site, to protect it from attack.

Tougher sanctions

China has called for restraint ahead of the talks. A spokeswoman for the country's foreign ministry, Jiang Yu, said she hoped that there would be a "relaxation of the situation".

"We hope relevant countries can make efforts. We support the maintenance of the international non-proliferation regime and uphold the proper handling of the issue through negotiations," she said.

Her comments came amid tensions between Iran and the West that have escalated yet further in the days leading up the talks in Geneva.

Iran has test-fired a series of medium- and longer-range missiles that put Israel, parts of Europe and US bases in the Gulf within potential striking range.

The White House called the move "provocative" but Iran's foreign ministry said the tests were merely part of an annual military drill, and were not a reaction to the nuclear crisis.

Iran insists that all its nuclear facilities are for peaceful energy purposes and rejects accusations from the US and others that it is seeking a nuclear weapon.

US President Barack Obama has hinted at pursuing tougher sanctions against Tehran if progress over the crisis is not made.

Russia recently signalled it might be prepared to soften its opposition to further sanctions.

China, which is also a permanent Security Council member, has said such pressure would not be effective.
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Nothing good is going to come out of those sanctions. This controversy is going to spiral out of control.
 
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:sl: Remember everyone the U.S. and Israel have a choice they can choose to bomb Iran over their supposed nuclear weapons production or they can work with Iran and seek comprise. The U.S. has NO COMMON SENSE Does anyone honestly think Iran would want to attack Israel? Hypothetically if Iran was to attack Israel their would be SWIFT and CATASTROPHIC CONSEQUENCES by the U.S. to the Iranian political regime. As I stated before the U.S. doesn't even have its own house in order, what are they doing meddling in Iran's or for that matter any other nation's business? What I've finally concluded is that America is a nation on the back burner it will NEVER AGAIN return to the bygone days of prominence and prosperity that it achieved post world war 2. Middle class jobs (such as manufacturing) are disappearing at a rapid rate to China, Japan, and India. A rich/poor gap has started to develop. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/US-income-gap-widens-as-poor-apf-388403228.html?x=0

Its education and heath care system is ineffective and expensive. The U.S. is not even ranked in top 25 for mathematical and science proficiency.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1571445/World-rankings-for-reading-maths-and-science.html

The U.S. used to be #1 in manufacturing, technology, and research, but now it is slowly being taken over in just about every category by China and the other emerging markets of the world. The only thing America is good at is mass producing thousands upon thousands of weapons. It has become the arms supplier to the world and gives away many of its advanced weapons technology to israel. Americans were complacent and apathetic during the Iraq war. A war which is now without a shadow of a doubt proven to be based on FALSE INFORMATION and FALSE ALLEGATIONS OF WMD. The 1 trillion dollars spent so far on Iraq could've been used back at home to fix american health care or help the poor and their families. War seldom benefits a population, but never fails to make the few well connected politicians and defense contractors obscenely wealthy.

http://www.juancole.com/2007/06/ahmadinejad-i-am-not-anti-semitic.html

http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2009/09/29/cole/

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^ It would be ridiculous for America to get involved in any foreign affair issues. Isn't the Afghanistan war enough to keep the USA government preoccupied?
 
I do not blame Israel for being tough against Iran. If the Iranians had the capability, they would wipe Israel out. The Israelis have every right to stand up for themselves in my opinion and I totally 100% respect that. If the Iranians developed a nuclear missile then there is no doubt that the Israelis would mess about. They would launch a strike against Iran immediately on the nuclear base and so they should.
 
Blackpool, the only reason Iran would make a bomb would be the threat of Israel's arsenal and threats in the first place.
why would the Iranians nuke Israel anyway? it's such a small country with an army of no more than 25 thousand, a single warhead could potentially wipe them all out, not to mention the Palestinians along with them. do you see now why Iran does not need to develop such weapons?
 
Blackpool said:
I do not blame Israel for being tough against Iran. If the Iranians had the capability, they would wipe Israel out. The Israelis have every right to stand up for themselves in my opinion and I totally 100% respect that. If the Iranians developed a nuclear missile then there is no doubt that the Israelis would mess about. They would launch a strike against Iran immediately on the nuclear base and so they should.
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Do you agree that Israel have every right to occupy Palestine and killed innocent people (ie. Gaza) and expand settlements illegally?
 
Blackpool said:
I do not blame Israel for being tough against Iran. If the Iranians had the capability, they would wipe Israel out. The Israelis have every right to stand up for themselves in my opinion and I totally 100% respect that. If the Iranians developed a nuclear missile then there is no doubt that the Israelis would mess about. They would launch a strike against Iran immediately on the nuclear base and so they should.
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Iran has nothing to gain from building nuclear weapons for a start. They just want to develop nuclear energy for the development of their own country. Iran would not use nuclear weapons to attack Israel. They are not stupid. If they were to attack Israel with nuclear weapons then it will kill not just Israelis but Palestians as well. It will even affect the Holy cities too.

If you’re talking about President Ahmadinejad and what he said ''Israel has to be wiped off the map'' he meant that he wants to see the Zionist government collapse like how the Soviet Union collapsed.

I do get the feeling it would be Israel who will attack Iran first for no credible reason.
 
Iran faces key deadline in nuclear talks

^ Click on the link above to read the rest of the article.

Meanwhile, a British nuclear expert fell to his death from the 17th floor of the United Nations offices in Vienna yesterday. Police and UN spokesmen said there were no suspicious circumstances in the death of the man, who has not been named, or any other person involved.
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I find it strange that people related to Iran nuclear energy programme somehow drop dead or get kidnapped.
 
I call for action on Israel. Turkey, Iran, Egypt and Saudi Arabia should go nuclear, and the combined forces of Pakistan, Turkey, Iran, Egypt and Saudi Arabia should issue an ultimatum; retreat to pre-1967borders, or we will carry out military action. This would be possible within a few decades, if we worked together. Nobody could attack and defeat these combined forces.
 
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Trumble said:
It's the Iranians who are doing the 'fooling', not the Israelis. Whether they actually are seriously developing nuclear weapons or not doesn't really matter; you need to look at it from the Israeli point of view, which Ahmadinejad is setting up for them, as in a theatre. What they are seeing is

a) Iran is developing nuclear facilities with the potential of producing nuclear weapons.

b) The second facility was not announced until it was discovered.

c) Co-operation with the IEAE has been sporadic

d) The Iranians, virtually as we type, are testing missile systems capable of delivering such weapons on Israel.

e) Ahmadinejad has publicity stated that the State of Israel should be destroyed.

Given those facts, the Israelis will consider they have no alternative but to attempt to destroy those nuclear facilities. That is, of course, exactly what Ahmadinejad wants them to do - they know that, but still they will consider they have no choice.

Ahmadinejad is playing a very dangerous game. He is gambling, probably with decent odds, that the US will not intervene and that the Israeli attempt will fail.
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bla bla bla.

so iran has has nuclear facitilies that COULD make bombs, but no proof their actually using those facilities to make bombs. many other countries, such as japan, have the same facitilies.

but there you go folks, this is how the israeli-american neocon apologists work, ohhhhhh this place has the POTENTIAL to make a bomb so therefore we must go to war, not because theres proof of ppl making a bomb, but just because it could be used to make a bomb we will go make war and destroy an entire country and plunge that area into more disaster.

as for the second facility, actually the facts say the iranians gave the info before they found out about the place, and so what, lets assume your right, it makes perfect sense for iranians to keep their facilities secret as you MANIACS WANT TO BOMB THOSE FACILITIES. so what should the iranians do? advertize their nuclear facilities which they use for civilan energy, the same ones you freaks want to bomb?

as for ahmed saying he wants to destroy Israel, actually he never said he wants to destoy Israel, he has said Israels time will come. how many provocative statements have the Israelis made? so let me get this straight, Israel and America bomb and destroy countries, killing THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS, while the iranian president just says Israel will be destroyed,AND THEN IRAN BECOMES THE BAD GUY? hahaha this is the mind of an Israeli apologist ppl, Israel kills, makes wars, steals land, and Iran is the threat for making mere STATEMENTS.

as for iranians testing missiles, so what? lol you MUPPET Israel and America are about to have the largest war excerize, and are always testing missiles, america has missile systems that can target every country on this planet, and israel has countless of missile systems that can target iran. so let me get this straight you muppet, America and Israel can make several missile tests and new missile systems, but when the Iranians do such a thing then it becomes a bad thing? tell me do you enjoy being such a hypocrite or are you so evil this just comes naturally for you?

as for coperation with the IEAE, how about you tell us about Israels coperation with nuclear agencies, especially with the IEAE which is NILL. Israel keeps all of its nuclear facitilies secret, and says nothing, why dont you hypocrites complain of that? furthermore you lying muppet, the IAEA have openly come out praising Iran for coperating, and they have openly stated that they see NO PROOF THAT IRAN IS MAKING A BOMB, did you forget that part you liar?

so in conclusion, you have just been smoked, your a hypocrite, and a liar, but then again thats what one has to do when they become an apologist for Israel and neocon policies.
 
Personally i am sick of hypocrite countries.

Why did US attack on Iraq on basis of opression and WMD but nor Israel which qualifies for both the reasons?

Why do people blame Palestine for attacks when Israel should be blamed for occupation

Why do US and UK always poke in others foreign policies when they should concentrate on keeping their house in order.(thank you us for you economic crisis)

I just vent out my frustration here.

TGIA

Thank god i live in asia
 
zakirs said:
Personally i am sick of hypocrite countries.

Why did US attack on Iraq on basis of opression and WMD but nor Israel which qualifies for both the reasons?

Why do people blame Palestine for attacks when Israel should be blamed for occupation

Why do US and UK always poke in others foreign policies when they should concentrate on keeping their house in order.(thank you us for you economic crisis)

I just vent out my frustration here.

TGIA

Thank god i live in asia
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The US and UK is in the process of assimilating India through it's NGOs and Aid packages (bribes). They rule from afar. Because India is a Democracy(which the West set up) and the majority of Indians are simple farmers, they can be easily manipulated to vote for the Party which is in the interests of the Anglosphere.
When I was in Behar I was speaking to a local man who bemoaned the fact that everything in India, the infrastructure etc was to serve the West. That Indians where still really under the British Raj as the Government was corrupt.
Take a hard look at India, it's culture is slipping away. It's more like USA every day. Many aspects of both Hindu and Islamic traditions have been outlawed by the command of Britain and the US.
India needs a revolution like Iran needed a revolution against it's pro Western puppet Shah.
 
The US and UK is in the process of assimilating India through it's NGOs and Aid packages (bribes). They rule from afar. Because India is a Democracy(which the West set up) and the majority of Indians are simple farmers, they can be easily manipulated to vote for the Party which is in the interests of the Anglosphere.
When I was in Behar I was speaking to a local man who bemoaned the fact that everything in India, the infrastructure etc was to serve the West. That Indians where still really under the British Raj as the Government was corrupt.
Take a hard look at India, it's culture is slipping away. It's more like USA every day. Many aspects of both Hindu and Islamic traditions have been outlawed by the command of Britain and the US.
India needs a revolution like Iran needed a revolution against it's pro Western puppet Shah.
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LOL , i live in India.. I disagree with your post.
 
Gossamer skye said:
^^ they are making it everyone's business when they constantly cry foul and by same token exempt themselves from the same warrants!

all the best
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Everybody note this date on your calendars. I actually agree with Skye on something.

And Trumble, as far as countries pushing other countries into action, I very much doubt that Iran would be interested in nuclear arms if not for the way the USA and Israel regard Iran. Iran would be very foolish not to try to develop nuclear arms. It is the only proven deterrent against US aggression. Iran is the third member of the "Axis of Evil". A mere glance at how the other two members were dealt with shows Iran what it needs to do.
 
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