2012 and islam

[titus]

the mayan civilization does not exist how come they have been interviewed

By civilization, in this instance, they are referring to the time period when the Mayans had writing, science, and were building the amazing structures you can still find in Mexico. Why they abandoned those areas and stopped the writing and science noone knows. The Mayans themselves, though, did not completely disappear and their ancestors are still around. In fact they number in the millions.

 

[Abdul Qadir]

Quran does not have any such verse . To my knowledge , there is no such hadith also.

Jesus pbuh will come and if I am not mistaken. according to a hadith he will live forty years in this world. So , I don't think we are going to have the final day on 2012. And Allah knows Best.

When someone asked the Prophet pbuh about the last day , Prophet pbuh asked something like that what did u do to face Allah on the final day ? Let's ask ourselves the same question : are we ready to meet our Lord ?

Well said sister...And Dajjal has to come, the beast has got to come, yajuj majuj got to come...to early for 2012? Maybe there will be time added on..lol

 

[Innocent Soul]

True the best think we can do is be ready for the day and the death which can come anytime,anywhere.

 

[Salahudeen]

Well said sister...And Dajjal has to come, the beast has got to come, yajuj majuj got to come...to early for 2012? Maybe there will be time added on..lol

He isn't saying the world is going to end on 2012 :hmm: he's saying we could see a string of major events ocurring. And experience a change on the Earth. Due to the 1 in every thousand year event that's going to take place in the solar system.

People seem to think he's saying the day of judgement is in 2012 but he ain't saying that, what he's getting at is the Earth could change dramatically. Based upon science. Allah knows best if it will or not we can just speculate on the evidence.


"No one is talking about the end of the world, only 31 events each lasting four days as per chapter 44 Al-Dukhaan"

Clearer to see now

 

[aliadams]

He isn't saying the world is going to end on 2012 :hmm: he's saying we could see a string of major events ocurring. And experience a change on the Earth. Due to the 1 in every thousand year event that's going to take place in the solar system.

People seem to think he's saying the day of judgement is in 2012 but he ain't saying that, what he's getting at is the Earth could change dramatically. Based upon science. Allah knows best if it will or not we can just speculate on the evidence.


"No one is talking about the end of the world, only 31 events each lasting four days as per chapter 44 Al-Dukhaan"

Clearer to see now

Thanks brother and not only that, I said the year 1619AH = 2192 AD will also be very significant.

Here are my calculations in reverse order to the calculations of the year 1433AH = 2012AD

Copy and past from my booklet.
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This big event will certainly not be the End of the World because a further future date can be extracted from the same Merciful verse by concatenating its 31 repeated verse numbers right-to-left (Arabic direction) to make up a 62-digit number that is divisible by 7 as follows:
77757371696765636159575553514947454240383634323028252321181613 = 7 × 11108195956680805165653650502135350605769090617575464617311659
In a reverse operation, this new 62-digit prime is then split into new 31 2-digit numbers that are added together to produce yet another prime number with a prime digit sum (i.e. an additive prime number) as follows:
11+10+81+95+95+66+80+80+51+65+65+36+50+50+21+35+35+06+05+76+90+90+61+75+75+46+46+17+31+16+59 = 1619 with a prime digit sum of 1+6+1+9 = 17, an additive prime indeed. J


Future generations should watch out for the year 1619AH or 2192AD as yet another big correction (maybe 7 times stronger than the 2012 events). It is only Allah Who decides when the End of the World will come and it can arrive at anytime according to Quran 16:77:
أعوذ بالله من الشيطٰن الرجيم بِسْمِ ٱللَّهِ ٱلرَّحْمَٰنِ ٱلرَّحِيمِ
“وَلِلَّهِ غَيْبُ ٱلسَّمَٰوَٰتِ وَٱلْأَرْضِ ۚ وَمَآ أَمْرُ ٱلسَّاعَةِ إِلَّا كَلَمْحِ ٱلْبَصَرِ أَوْ هُوَ أَقْرَبُ ۚ إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ عَلَىٰ كُلِّ شَىْءٍۢ قَدِيرٌ““
To Allah belongs the Unseen of heavens and earth and The Hour can come at the blink of an eye, or even nearer. Truly! Allah is capable of doing anything.”

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And Allah knows best.

Ali Adams
God > infinity

 

[islam2012]

I don't think the world will end in 2012. The major signs have not even occurred yet, but who said we won't be able to predict when they will? In that year (2012) or the year before (2011) something really big is going to happen, not because the Mayans have predicted it but because the sun's cycle is coming to a BIG end that year which will probably kill all forms of communication made by man on this earth. The GPS is definitely going. And there are predictions about the Earth flipping over as it has done many times over the past million years. What happens when the Earth flips? The sun rises in the West. That's a MAJOR sign. What happens when the sun rises in the West? The doors to repentance shall be closed and those who were on the wrong path will not be given a second chance to repent.

Allah did not reveal the day of judgement and neither can science tell us when it is. Yet, science can predict what might happen in the future and it is now predicting one of our major signs for judgement. There is nothing wrong with believing this as it is not what soothsayers are saying and it is just the same as our belief in the weather forecast predicted a week before.

Plus, saying we shouldn't analyze the Quran mathematically is somewhat absurd. The Quran is a miracle and we should look into every detail we can get our hands on. Not everything in there is clear and Allah loaded a single word with millions of meanings. The Quran is alive and we need to really read it so we can understand the signs. We are even ordered to do so by the Almighty creator.

I recommend you read about what the Jews and Christians think of the coming of the Messiah and the preparations that have been made. They are all awaiting his arrival and the on-going preparations will have been finished by 2011 - 2012. Significant isn't it?

 

[Alphadude]

I don't think the world will end in 2012. The major signs have not even occurred yet, but who said we won't be able to predict when they will? In that year (2012) or the year before (2011) something really big is going to happen, not because the Mayans have predicted it but because the sun's cycle is coming to a BIG end that year which will probably kill all forms of communication made by man on this earth. The GPS is definitely going. And there are predictions about the Earth flipping over as it has done many times over the past million years. What happens when the Earth flips? The sun rises in the West. That's a MAJOR sign. What happens when the sun rises in the West? The doors to repentance shall be closed and those who were on the wrong path will not be given a second chance to repent.

Allah did not reveal the day of judgement and neither can science tell us when it is. Yet, science can predict what might happen in the future and it is now predicting one of our major signs for judgement. There is nothing wrong with believing this as it is not what soothsayers are saying and it is just the same as our belief in the weather forecast predicted a week before.

Plus, saying we shouldn't analyze the Quran mathematically is somewhat absurd. The Quran is a miracle and we should look into every detail we can get our hands on. Not everything in there is clear and Allah loaded a single word with millions of meanings. The Quran is alive and we need to really read it so we can understand the signs. We are even ordered to do so by the Almighty creator.

I recommend you read about what the Jews and Christians think of the coming of the Messiah and the preparations that have been made. They are all awaiting his arrival and the on-going preparations will have been finished by 2011 - 2012. Significant isn't it?

i agree and i think they are waiting for dajjal lol

 

[Salahudeen]

I don't think the world will end in 2012. The major signs have not even occurred yet, but who said we won't be able to predict when they will? In that year (2012) or the year before (2011) something really big is going to happen, not because the Mayans have predicted it but because the sun's cycle is coming to a BIG end that year which will probably kill all forms of communication made by man on this earth. The GPS is definitely going. And there are predictions about the Earth flipping over as it has done many times over the past million years. What happens when the Earth flips? The sun rises in the West. That's a MAJOR sign. What happens when the sun rises in the West? The doors to repentance shall be closed and those who were on the wrong path will not be given a second chance to repent.

Allah did not reveal the day of judgement and neither can science tell us when it is. Yet, science can predict what might happen in the future and it is now predicting one of our major signs for judgement. There is nothing wrong with believing this as it is not what soothsayers are saying and it is just the same as our belief in the weather forecast predicted a week before.

Plus, saying we shouldn't analyze the Quran mathematically is somewhat absurd. The Quran is a miracle and we should look into every detail we can get our hands on. Not everything in there is clear and Allah loaded a single word with millions of meanings. The Quran is alive and we need to really read it so we can understand the signs. We are even ordered to do so by the Almighty creator.

I recommend you read about what the Jews and Christians think of the coming of the Messiah and the preparations that have been made. They are all awaiting his arrival and the on-going preparations will have been finished by 2011 - 2012. Significant isn't it?

You summarised the whole thing up excellantly, but one thing is bugging me, if all man made communication could fail wouldn't the governments and world be panicking and wouldn't we see news reports.

imagine a world without man made communication it'd be so weird and chaotic.

 

[islam2012]

I've read that it would be fixed immediately and that it's only a possibility. During the last solar cycle, solar flares hit the electricity in Canada leaving them without it for a while until they got it fixed. They think they'll have this one fixed in no time too unless the Earth does a flip which means everything we have won't be working anymore. If you search for geomagnetic switch on google, you'll come across many articles regarding this many of which refute this claim without any supporting evidence. After all, it is only a prediction and nobody knows for sure what's going to happen not even whether it is likely or unlikely that the Earth will actually flip. But if you think about it, the Earth's magnetic field is already decreasing so how is it going to defend itself from the Sun's solar wind or its huge magnetic force? Plus, if you look at it from a religious point of view, we are told that the major signs include the sun's rising in the west, so I guess there's a big chance that it might happen. Almost every minor sign has taken place, we're waiting for the final few which, given the circumstances and conditions we're living now, don't need hundreds of years. I guess that immediately after that, we'll have the sun rising in the west as a result of this scientifically explained phenomena. But who knows? Only Allah knows the truth.

 

[LockOn]

2012 isn't the end of the world, Mayans insist

MEXICO CITY – Apolinario Chile Pixtun is tired of being bombarded with frantic questions about the Mayan calendar supposedly "running out" on Dec. 21, 2012. After all, it's not the end of the world.

Or is it?

Definitely not, the Mayan Indian elder insists. "I came back from England last year and, man, they had me fed up with this stuff."

It can only get worse for him. Next month Hollywood's "2012" opens in cinemas, featuring earthquakes, meteor showers and a tsunami dumping an aircraft carrier on the White House.

At Cornell University, Ann Martin, who runs the "Curious? Ask an Astronomer" Web site, says people are scared.

"It's too bad that we're getting e-mails from fourth-graders who are saying that they're too young to die," Martin said. "We had a mother of two young children who was afraid she wouldn't live to see them grow up."

Chile Pixtun, a Guatemalan, says the doomsday theories spring from Western, not Mayan ideas.

A significant time period for the Mayas does end on the date, and enthusiasts have found a series of astronomical alignments they say coincide in 2012, including one that happens roughly only once every 25,800 years.

But most archaeologists, astronomers and Maya say the only thing likely to hit Earth is a meteor shower of New Age philosophy, pop astronomy, Internet doomsday rumors and TV specials such as one on the History Channel which mixes "predictions" from Nostradamus and the Mayas and asks: "Is 2012 the year the cosmic clock finally winds down to zero days, zero hope?"

It may sound all too much like other doomsday scenarios of recent decades — the 1987 Harmonic Convergence, the Jupiter Effect or "Planet X." But this one has some grains of archaeological basis.

One of them is Monument Six.

Found at an obscure ruin in southern Mexico during highway construction in the 1960s, the stone tablet almost didn't survive; the site was largely paved over and parts of the tablet were looted.

It's unique in that the remaining parts contain the equivalent of the date 2012. The inscription describes something that is supposed to occur in 2012 involving Bolon Yokte, a mysterious Mayan god associated with both war and creation.

However — shades of Indiana Jones — erosion and a crack in the stone make the end of the passage almost illegible.

Archaeologist Guillermo Bernal of Mexico's National Autonomous University interprets the last eroded glyphs as maybe saying, "He will descend from the sky."

Spooky, perhaps, but Bernal notes there are other inscriptions at Mayan sites for dates far beyond 2012 — including one that roughly translates into the year 4772.

And anyway, Mayas in the drought-stricken Yucatan peninsula have bigger worries than 2012.

"If I went to some Mayan-speaking communities and asked people what is going to happen in 2012, they wouldn't have any idea," said Jose Huchim, a Yucatan Mayan archaeologist. "That the world is going to end? They wouldn't believe you. We have real concerns these days, like rain."

The Mayan civilization, which reached its height from 300 A.D. to 900 A.D., had a talent for astronomy

Its Long Count calendar begins in 3,114 B.C., marking time in roughly 394-year periods known as Baktuns. Thirteen was a significant, sacred number for the Mayas, and the 13th Baktun ends around Dec. 21, 2012.

"It's a special anniversary of creation," said David Stuart, a specialist in Mayan epigraphy at the University of Texas at Austin. "The Maya never said the world is going to end, they never said anything bad would happen necessarily, they're just recording this future anniversary on Monument Six."
Bernal suggests that apocalypse is "a very Western, Christian" concept projected onto the Maya, perhaps because Western myths are "exhausted."

If it were all mythology, perhaps it could be written off.

But some say the Maya knew another secret: the Earth's axis wobbles, slightly changing the alignment of the stars every year. Once every 25,800 years, the sun lines up with the center of our Milky Way galaxy on a winter solstice, the sun's lowest point in the horizon.

That will happen on Dec. 21, 2012, when the sun appears to rise in the same spot where the bright center of galaxy sets.

Another spooky coincidence?

"The question I would ask these guys is, so what?" says Phil Plait, an astronomer who runs the "Bad Astronomy" blog. He says the alignment doesn't fall precisely in 2012, and distant stars exert no force that could harm Earth.

"They're really super-duper trying to find anything astronomical they can to fit that date of 2012," Plait said.

But author John Major Jenkins says his two-decade study of Mayan ruins indicate the Maya were aware of the alignment and attached great importance to it.

"If we want to honor and respect how the Maya think about this, then we would say that the Maya viewed 2012, as all cycle endings, as a time of transformation and renewal," said Jenkins.

As the Internet gained popularity in the 1990s, so did word of the "fateful" date, and some began worrying about 2012 disasters the Mayas never dreamed of.

Author Lawrence Joseph says a peak in explosive storms on the surface of the sun could knock out North America's power grid for years, triggering food shortages, water scarcity — a collapse of civilization. Solar peaks occur about every 11 years, but Joseph says there's evidence the 2012 peak could be "a lulu."

While pressing governments to install protection for power grids, Joseph counsels readers not to "use 2012 as an excuse to not live in a healthy, responsible fashion. I mean, don't let the credit cards go up."

Another History Channel program titled "Decoding the Past: Doomsday 2012: End of Days" says a galactic alignment or magnetic disturbances could somehow trigger a "pole shift."

"The entire mantle of the earth would shift in a matter of days, perhaps hours, changing the position of the north and south poles, causing worldwide disaster," a narrator proclaims. "Earthquakes would rock every continent, massive tsunamis would inundate coastal cities. It would be the ultimate planetary catastrophe."

The idea apparently originates with a 19th century Frenchman, Charles Etienne Brasseur de Bourbourg, a priest-turned-archaeologist who got it from his study of ancient Mayan and Aztec texts.

Scientists say that, at best, the poles might change location by one degree over a million years, with no sign that it would start in 2012.

While long discredited, Brasseur de Bourbourg proves one thing: Westerners have been trying for more than a century to pin doomsday scenarios on the Maya. And while fascinated by ancient lore, advocates seldom examine more recent experiences with apocalypse predictions.

"No one who's writing in now seems to remember that the last time we thought the world was going to end, it didn't," says Martin, the astronomy webmaster. "There doesn't seem to be a lot of memory that things were fine the last time around."

2012 Not End of World

There we have it folks, nothin to worry about. And anyway, Muslims should not have been taken in by this 2012 nonsense in the 1st place. The minor signs have yet to be completed, and then the major signs will come.

 

[islam2012]

2012 Not End of World

There we have it folks, nothin to worry about. And anyway, Muslims should not have been taken in by this 2012 nonsense in the 1st place. The minor signs have yet to be completed, and then the major signs will come.

Nobody said it was going to be the end of the world.

How many minor signs are left? Just a few. And do you think they need hundreds of years? Open your eyes and see the world we're living in today. Read what the prophet says about the last of his people and the times they (we) shall witness. By the way, when the first major sign occurs and you realise that this is one of the major signs, know that repentance will not be accepted and it will be too late. Read the signs and act upon them. Don't be fooled by what the West is trying to feed people, the article you quote is written by one of them and I take everything they say with a pinch of salt. They live to deceive the world so they can accomplish their other purposes. I advise you to read about the Illuminati while you're doing your research and about the Bohemian Grove. You'll understand a lot regarding the years 2011 and 2012.

Peace

 

[aliadams]

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[titus]

I advise you to read about the Illuminati while you're doing your research and about the Bohemian Grove. You'll understand a lot regarding the years 2011 and 2012.

These Illuminati are amazing. Not only do they want to rule the world, now they want to destroy it. They even have a schedule!

It's a good thing that their horrible plans are being thwarted by bloggers and others on the internet. I wonder why such a powerful society does so poorly at keeping their secrets away from people with internet access?

 

[islam2012]

I wonder why such a powerful society does so poorly at keeping their secrets away from people with internet access?

I think it's because the Internet is too big for them to keep track of everything that's on. If they find something against them, they ban or delete it immediately. Like there's a 50 video series called the arrivals which summarizes most of the things they're after and ever since it's been out, they've been disabling, deleting and banning the videos off websites. But, others have found ways to spread them. Not only that, 3 groups about them on facebook have also been deleted and the account of the active administrator of these groups as well. They're the devil, what should we expect? :skeleton:

And you know what really surprises me? how some people have never even heard of them.

BTW, which schedule are you talking about? Is it anything new? Could you provide me with it please?

Thanks, peace!

 

[Mujahideen92]

Nothing is going to happen in 2012 guys...

 

[Abdul Qadir]

Nothing is going to happen in 2012 guys...

Well said bro..nothing's gona happen in 2012, inshallah...

 

[Sampharo]

Astaghferollah Al-Atheam

The ignorance is spreading. Not only are muslim brothers and sisters listening to sooth-sayers and fortunetellers, but also listening to internet RUMORS about old prophecies and trying to BECOME fortunetellers and soothsayers themselves, and above all are trying to use the Quran and make it a tool of prediction. imsad

The definition of soothsaying and fortunetelling is not only limited to a carnival card-reader tent for fun love predictions. It is seeking to anticipate good or bad events, general or specific using mostly any of the following:

1- interpreting material shapes or liquid traces or body parts (breaking eggs, throwing bones in the air, print of blood of animals, coffee traces in cups after drinking)
2- Calculating the positions of the planets, sun, or stars.
3- Looking for mathematical patterns in ancient text or architecture.4- Looking for patterns in current events to anticipate future ones, not based on consequence, but based on general pessimism or optimism.

Saying that the positions of the planets that is coming up happens once every 1000 years is the very heart of fortunetelling and oracle mythology, and to attempt to use mathematical patterns in the quran for fortunetelling is blasphemy at best.

Your insistence on this matter is unislamic and sinful by strict clear text:

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لقوله صلى الله عليه وسلم : " من أتى عرافاً فسأله عن شئ - وفي لفظ أحمد - فصدقه بما يقول، لم تقبل له صلاة أربعين يوماً" [رواه مسلم]

"Whomever came to a predictor to learn and believed him, his prayer would not be accepted for forty days." Narrated by Muslim

يقول الشيخ الإمام أبو العباس تقي الدين ابن تيمية – عليه رحمة الله تعالى – : "صناعة التنجيم التي مضمونها الأحكام والتأثير. وهو الاستدلال على الحوادث الأرضية بالأحوال الفلكية والتمزيج بين القوى الفلكية والقوابل الأرضية صناعة محرمة بالكتاب والسنة وإجماع الأمة بل هي محرمةعلى لسان جميع المرسلين في جميع الملل؛ قال الله تعالى: {وَلَا يُفْلِحُ السَّاحِرُ حَيْثُ أَتَى}

Ibn Taymeyya says: "The acts of prediction and fortunetelling that suggest on matters of effect, which include deluding or indicating events on Earth based on astronomical or astrological indicators and the mixing of astronomical "powers" with counterparts on Earth is a strictly forbidden act by the Quran and the Hadith and the consensus of scholars of Islamic Ummah, even forbidden by all prophets of all religions. God says: {The magician will never succeed where they go}

وقد قال النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم : " من اقتبس علما من النجوم اقتبس شعبة من السحر زاد ما زاد "​

الراوي: عبدالله بن عباس المحدث: محمد جار الله الصعدي - المصدر: النوافح العطرة - الصفحة أو الرقم: 362
خلاصة الدرجة: صحيح​

"Whomever sought prediction knowledge from celestial bodies, has sought a branch of magic usage, the higher he goes." NawafeHH 'Atera - 362. Class: Authentic

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In case you don't know, magic and fortunetelling is one of the Kaba'er, and is considered kufr.

May God forgive you and guide you.

 

[Ibn Abi Ahmed]

^ And with that, thread closed.

{They ask you, [O Muhammad], about the Hour: when is its arrival? Say, "Its knowledge is only with my Lord. None will reveal its time except Him. It lays heavily upon the heavens and the earth. It will not come upon you except unexpectedly." They ask you as if you are familiar with it. Say, "Its knowledge is only with Allah , but most of the people do not know."}[al-'Araaf; 187]