Should a muslim wear a poppy?

[Ansariyah]

These double'standers! I'm not going to wear it cause of that/

When do we hear a moment of Silence' or See Poppy's bein worn for the innocent people that died in Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia, Chechniya, Kashmir..?

Wat is honour when its only one'sided?

All human blood is sacred, but Some bloods are sadly shoved to the pits to never be remembered.

 

[Supreme]

These double'standers! I'm not going to wear it cause of that/

When do we hear a moment of Silence' or See Poppy's bein worn for the innocent people that died in Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia, Chechniya, Kashmir..?

Wat is honour when its only one'sided?

All human blood is sacred, but Some bloods are sadly shoved to the pits to never be remembered.

Then that's your perogative. The poppy fund was never set up to commemorate or remember every single person who's ever died, or every single person who's ever died as a result of warfare. It was set up to remember those who fought in the UK Armed Services, whether it be WW1 or the Falklands, and to provide support for veterans.

 

[czgibson]

Greetings,

really? then why are they always crying about the amount of british soldiers being killed all the time on sky news but they never mention the amount of muslim deaths??

Media outlets often mention innocent deaths. Like Supreme said, it's harder to keep track of the numbers, but estimates are often given on the news and discussion programmes like Question Time when the topic comes up. Sorry if that doesn't fit your conspiracy theory, but it's the reality of the situation.

its your government and your media please don't get me wrong. they are brainwashing your people

Not very successfully. Do you think the majority of British people support the Iraq war? Do you think the majority of British people treat most government statements with anything other than derision?

Where are you getting these crazy ideas?

Peace

 

[Raphael]

These double'standers! I'm not going to wear it cause of that/

When do we hear a moment of Silence' or See Poppy's bein worn for the innocent people that died in Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia, Chechniya, Kashmir..?

Wat is honour when its only one'sided?

All human blood is sacred, but Some bloods are sadly shoved to the pits to never be remembered.

Its not up to the British people to hold silences for the Muslim dead. What a strange statement.

In fact it grieves me that people can tear down embassies and cause riots over the naming of a teddy bear, but fail to show that passion over the number of Muslims that are dying. If Muslims do not value the blood of their own, then how can others?

I just know some people are about to defer, so let me just pre-empt this;

Whining on a forum, making YouTube videos, and forwarding emails about Israel does not count as grieving the dead - or even caring! Unless you literally are powerless to do anything else, and Allah knows best. Otherwise these are hollow actions done by armchair warriors from the warmth and comfort of their Western homes. Going on marches is better, but still that has very little impact.

Those who truly care about the blood of a Muslim, will rarely be saying that they do on the internet. It is usually the guilt of the one doing nothing that forces them to overcompensate by public expression.

 

[Supreme]

Not very successfully. Do you think the majority of British people support the Iraq war? Do you think the majority of British people treat most government statements with anything other than derision?

Where are you getting these crazy ideas?

Peace

I missed that. Brainwashing us to resent their decisions?

 

[Woodrow]

Then that's your perogative. The poppy fund was never set up to commemorate or remember every single person who's ever died, or every single person who's ever died as a result of warfare. It was set up to remember those who fought in the UK Armed Services, whether it be WW1 or the Falklands, and to provide support for veterans.

Here in the USA there is a more liberal view as to what the poppy represents. Probably because nearly all Americans (Except Native Americans) are fairly recent immigrants or the Children/Grandchildren of immigrants. Very few Americans have a family tree that extends over 200 years in America and many can only trace family residency here back 100 years or less. As a result nearly all of us have family ties from the nations America has been at war with. We can not help but also remember the dead from our native homelands.

A point of interest about the monument I posted above. Nearly all of the people in Zeeland are recent (From the 1920s-1940s) German immigrants and the original settlers that founded the city came from the Netherlands. When they are thinking of war dead, it is doubtful they are thinking in terms of only American dead.

It is true that the money generated from the poppy sales goes to help American veterans. But, it is not a government program and is not adminstered or helped by any government agencies. Any administration is through individual veteran organizations such as the VFW or DAV. Both organizations being among the most vocal opposition to illegal or immoral activies done by the Federal Government. Members are often war protesters as none want to see anybody killed in a needless war. Although it is easy to become a member of the DAV (Disabled American Veterans) we want to be an exclusive group and do not want to see one more person meet the eligibility requirements. We want to avoid getting new members. A great joy would be to see the DAV no longer be needed because nobody is left who meets the eligibility.

 

[Rabi'ya]

Following the horrendous battles in WW1 and WW2 and the people who fought for our freedom. I feel that we owe it to previous generations to remember them and respect them for how they have helped us to live our lives as we do now.

Quick history lesson, the reason poppies were chosen as a form of rememberance is because hundreds of the little red flowers sprung up on the battlefields of WW1.

I have a lot of respect for the previous generations without whom we would not be able to live at ease within this country(UK for me)
Without the likes of whom we would be under a rule similar to that which is trying to be spread by the likes of the BNP etc.

I shall always wear a poppy.

 

[Rabi'ya]

Why do we Wear Remembrance Poppies?
The Importance of the Poppy to Remembering World War 1 History​

Call it Remembrance Day, Armistice Day or Veteran's Day: on November 11, many people wear poppies as signs of respect. But why were these flowers chosen?

The world's very first Remembrance Day was held in November 1921, three years after the end of World War One in which it is estimated between twenty and forty million people died. The occasion has been remembered annually every year since and is now used to mourn the dead from the Second World War too.

With the death of Britain's last WW1 survivor Harry Patch earlier this year, celebrating the dead of both World Wars has become increasingly important. But the flower everyone has worn on Remembrance Day and the approach to it for the last seventy-eight years remains an enigma to many: why was the poppy chosen as a symbol of WW1 above anything else?

In Flanders Fields
Flanders in Belgium saw some of the most intense fighting in WW1 and was transformed between 1914 and 1918 from one of the loveliest areas of Northern Europe into a scene of devastation, mud and the graves of men who gave their lives to the war.

But in the midst of the atrocities, every year without fail the poppies would bloom on the battle fields. There are good reasons why this was the case. Poppies are resiliant flowers. They are also flowers which only grow after the soil in which their seeds are buried becomes disturbed. The continual disruption of a war being fought on the soil thus encouraged their growth.

Poppies became adopted as a sign of life and hope for those fighting. The Canadian doctor John McCrae who witnessed much of the fighting in WW1 first hand, penned a poem on this contrast between the scenes of dead and dying and the presence of this blood-red flower. The poem, In Flanders Fields, became symbolic of the war effort and poppies are integrally associated with it.

 

[Supreme]

Following the horrendous battles in WW1 and WW2 and the people who fought for our freedom. I feel that we owe it to previous generations to remember them and respect them for how they have helped us to live our lives as we do now.

Quick history lesson, the reason poppies were chosen as a form of rememberance is because hundreds of the little red flowers sprung up on the battlefields of WW1.

I have a lot of respect for the previous generations without whom we would not be able to live at ease within this country(UK for me)
Without the likes of whom we would be under a rule similar to that which is trying to be spread by the likes of the BNP etc.

I shall always wear a poppy.

Fantastic post my friend, outlines the core reasons I wear a poppy- in remembrance of the men and women who gave their lives to fight for freedom. As Churchill said,

What General Weygand has called the Battle of France is over. I expect that the Battle of Britain is about to begin. Upon this battle depends the survival of Christian civilization. Upon it depends our own British life, and the long continuity of our institutions and our Empire. The whole fury and might of the enemy must very soon be turned on us. Hitler knows that he will have to break us in this Island or lose the war. If we can stand up to him, all Europe may be freed and the life of the world may move forward into broad, sunlit uplands. But if we fail, then the whole world, including the United States, including all that we have known and cared for, will sink into the abyss of a new Dark Age made more sinister, and perhaps more protracted, by the lights of perverted science. Let us therefore brace ourselves to our duties, and so bear ourselves, that if the British Empire and its Commonwealth last for a thousand years, men will still say, "This was their finest hour."

It still brings tears to my eyes that speech and the truths it rings. We take freedom for granted now. Indeed, even today, we can agree that it was man's finest hour.

I think the irony of the BNP is that it attracts many older generations who are discontent with a multicultural society, and the very same people who endured and fought the Nazis are voting them in.
Obviously that's a generalisation, but the BNP is definetly more popular with the older generation than the younger generation.

 

[czgibson]

Greetings,

It still brings tears to my eyes that speech and the truths it rings. We take freedom for granted now. Indeed, even today, we can agree that it was man's finest hour.

Same here. Churchill had an amazing gift for using the English language, and this speech has been used in many lessons on rhetoric over the years.

It's best to listen to it, of course.

Peace

 

[Ansariyah]

Its not up to the British people to hold silences for the Muslim dead. What a strange statement.

In fact it grieves me that people can tear down embassies and cause riots over the naming of a teddy bear, but fail to show that passion over the number of Muslims that are dying. If Muslims do not value the blood of their own, then how can others?

I just know some people are about to defer, so let me just pre-empt this;

Whining on a forum, making YouTube videos, and forwarding emails about Israel does not count as grieving the dead - or even caring! Unless you literally are powerless to do anything else, and Allah knows best. Otherwise these are hollow actions done by armchair warriors from the warmth and comfort of their Western homes. Going on marches is better, but still that has very little impact.

Those who truly care about the blood of a Muslim, will rarely be saying that they do on the internet. It is usually the guilt of the one doing nothing that forces them to overcompensate by public expression.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, I chose not to wear a Poppy n I stick by wat I said!

u have no right to pass personal judgements on me n question my intention.

 

[JaffaCake]

Everyone is entitled to their opinion...

...u have no right to pass personal judgements on me..

I'm not sure those two things are compatible.

 

[Woodrow]

The wearing of the poppy is not obligatory any place I know of. A person should only wear or not wear it based upon their personal feelings of what it means.

 

[mish mash]

my huzoor says that wearing a poppy is not haram. he sez its actually a gd thing!

 

[Uthman]

:salamext:

my huzoor says that wearing a poppy is not haram. he sez its actually a gd thing!

Sister, what's a huzoor?

 

[Esther462]

Do any of you wear a poppy?
why?

I wear a poppy.
I wear it because I respect to trops that are fight a war out there for the freedom of the UK and it is part of the tradition of the UK.:shade:

 

[Muslim Woman]

my huzoor says that wearing a poppy is not haram. he sez its actually a gd thing!

that's interesting. I can understand it's not haram but why a good thing ?? Normally
religious teachers like to issue fatwa that Muslims must not follow anything that represents western culture . Your teacher is an exception.


Remembering Veterans and the Dead

Blood on Their Hands

By Eamonn McCann

"I have seen and endured the sufferings of the troops, and I can no longer be a party to prolong these sufferings for ends which I believe to be evil and unjust."

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article23946.htm

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[Woodrow]

Just my opinion. If I were a Muslim living in the UK I would wear a poppy to show I consider the Muslim British soldiers who were martyred by the Nazis in WW2 deserve equal recognition as the other British Soldiers.

 

[titus]

religious teachers like to issue fatwa that Muslims must not follow anything that represents western culture .

That is just sad.

 

[tango92]

I think remembrance comes from the heart, not a poppy.

poppies, or any symbol for that matter, are a way of uniting people in the face of common difficulties and hardships, I dont want to be seen as uniting with kuffar over anything but the forbidding of evil.

still as a tribute to british history i would still not, because I was raised in britain, I have had my fair share of british lifestyle experience and believe me us muslims and the britishers are oceans apart. so i have no love for their way of life or their country.

but you cannot object if a muslim wishes to wear a poppy