Tribes

[syilla]

try geni.com

It is a very great place to the lineage project...lol

I've done mine...and it is getting too big...i think :skeleton:

 

[Grofica]

To some extent in the USA States are taking on some resemblance to tribes. People tend to Identify themselves as being say a New Yorker or Texan or whatever State the person is from. Each State tends to speak it's own dialect of English, especially in terms of slang. Also each State seems to be specialized as to industry etc. such as where I am the predominate industry is farming. Other States such as Connecticut the industry is more in terms of services.

But, as far as tribal affiliations nearly all Americans are mixed race and/or nationality. The typical American has no single family background. Most of us, like my self, can best be described as the result of an explosion at a UN meeting. I doubt if most Americans have 2 grandparents from the same cultural/ethnic/national heritage.

Only in America can you go into a Chinese Restaurant, owned by a German and order Chicken Biryani cooked by a Jamaican chef. the concept of tribes is not even comprehended by Americans.

I love your answer!!! but yes woodrow is right.... 100%

 

[Grofica]

To claim/belong to a tribe one would have to know his (paternal) blood line. I don't think this would be possible in the non-muslim West even if they tried; simply because many children don't know who their father is, or they believe someone to be their father when he isn't.

oh it's not that bad.... we know who our dad's are its just most parents are divorced... its so not how the movies and jerry springer portray it....

 

[KAding]

Most of you might know that I am somali. And like other arabs we have tribes, so everyone knows who everyone else is. Every single somali can be pinpointed down. This knowledge has been preseverd throughout the ages and no one can lie about their tribe. I am sure many muslim countries have tribes too like pakistan india etc

But what I wanted to know is, is there some sort of tribal knowledge left in the west? Is there some kind of tribe thing still there? Or perhaps as soon as families grow large they loose contact with eachother?

Well, isn't the nation just a big tribe? Though nations aren't usually defined based on a genetic connection though, they are about citizenship.

But then again, why should I care about ethnic or 'blood' relationship? I am certainly not aware of any kind of background in my family that could be understood as 'tribal'. But of course, we haven't had real tribes in these regions in literally more than a thousand years.

I'm not even sure what it means to be part of a tribe to be honest. How does it affect your life exactly? Is your tribe hierarchical in any way?

 

[Khaldun]

Tribes serve many purposes from amongst which are providing help and protection and a sense of belonging. Just in the same way as if you are in a foreign country all alone and you walk down the street and you hear someone speaking your mother tongue you might genuinly be happy because you feel you can connect with this person etc.

In Islaam there are no sense of a hierachal tribe system, a person is not better then another just based on what tribe he might be from (as explained in my previous post)

Do not people in the west have family trees? Is their past really that lost that they do not know whom their ancestors are?

 

[Al-Indunisiy]

Well, the European royal families maybe. Does that count?

:wa:

 

[Grofica]

Do not people in the west have family trees? Is their past really that lost that they do not know whom their ancestors are?

you make us sound like we are lost cavemen... we care some people have traced their family back to the 1400 (like my aunt has with ours) but as a general rule we dont sit down and tell storys of people from years and years ago.... we know our parents and our grandparents its just not as important on where we came from because we are all so mixed... american means american it doesnt matter where your from... america was built by immigrants there is no one person there. everyone who is there migrated from somewhere.

i mean no offence but why do you think we are lost neandrathals?

 

[Woodrow]

Do not people in the west have family trees? Is their past really that lost that they do not know whom their ancestors are?

:wa:

For many of us in the USA it is nearly impossible to trace beyond ones grandparents, unless you are from a long line English family. Most of us in the USA are second or third generation Americans and our family trees stop at the time of immigration. I was one of the fortunate ones who was able to go back further because I learned of my family from my grandparents.

 

[Donia]

Tribes serve many purposes from amongst which are providing help and protection and a sense of belonging. Just in the same way as if you are in a foreign country all alone and you walk down the street and you hear someone speaking your mother tongue you might genuinly be happy because you feel you can connect with this person etc.

In Islaam there are no sense of a hierachal tribe system, a person is not better then another just based on what tribe he might be from (as explained in my previous post)

Do not people in the west have family trees? Is their past really that lost that they do not know whom their ancestors are?

On the first paragraph.. I found that so interesting that you said that because that is how I feel when I see another sister in hijab outside whether it be at the grocery store or wherever. Masha'Allah.
People in the west do have family trees. I'm not sure how many people are actually willing or even care enough to know about it though. :hmm: Kind of sad.
I'm guessing because your "status" is not so much based on your lineage except in some specific cases (like if you are Donald Trump's children, etc.) but I think it is more based on how successful you as a person are... career, financially.. Hope that makes sense.
It would be so much better if more people evaluated others on their true character. Insha'Allah.

 

[Snowflake]

I'm sorry, I had to laugh. Is the only information you get about the West from Eastenders or something?

No there's more but didn't want to go off topic! : D

..btw, any idea what happened to the woman on the Maury show who had 23 men tested for paternity and none of them were her baby's daddy? :hmm:

 

[KAding]

Do not people in the west have family trees? Is their past really that lost that they do not know whom their ancestors are?

Some people keep track of their family trees as a kind of hobby. But I don't personally know anyone that does, so it is not that widespread I think.

It's just that I do not understand why it would matter? All it is is a blood relationship. You don't know these people any better than you do any other stranger. I just doesn't seem like a sensible way to relate to people.

On the other hand, I am sure it is very comforting to have such an extended community on which you know you can rely. In this individualized era some people really do end up abandoned and alone.

 

[Muezzin]

Some people keep track of their family trees as a kind of hobby. But I don't personally know anyone that does, so it is not that widespread I think.

It's just that I do not understand why it would matter? All it is is a blood relationship. You don't know these people any better than you do any other stranger. I just doesn't seem like a sensible way to relate to people.

On the other hand, I am sure it is very comforting to have such an extended community on which you know you can rely. In this individualized era some people really do end up abandoned and alone.

If you want a different understanding of family trees, try reading up on some Probate Law.

 

[Maryan0]

I can go back 17 generations of men not women on my mom's side and 8 generations on my dad's. It seems weird to me not to know your ancestors or your origins but then again i'm somali also, so tribalism and knowing your lineage is important.
salam