Do you believe in evolution by natural selection? Is it haram?

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Do you believe in evolution by natural selection?
http://ncse.com/news/2009/12/evolution-new-harris-poll-005232
These are the results of a new Harris poll, but the survey lacks answers from Muslims. I think it would be beneficial to conduct our own survey.

"The results varied by religion: 51% of Catholics, 32% of Protestants, 80% of Jews, and 16% of born-again Christians believed in Darwin's theory of evolution, while 37% of Catholics, 56% of Protestants, 20% of Jews, and 68% of born-again Christians believed in creationism. Overall, the results were basically unchanged from 2007, when 42% of respondents believed in evolution and 39% of respondents believed in creationism. The poll was conducted on-line on November 2 and 11, 2009, among 2303 adults in the United States; figures were weighted to reflect the composition of the adult population. "Because the sample is based on those who agreed to participate in the Harris Interactive panel," the report explains, "no estimates of theorical sampling error can be calculated."
 
I dont any problem with natural selection. Allah created nature. Nature selects us. There is a First cause. For me it is God. For a mulhid, he takes it as natural forces. Both do it on faith.
 
waters2100 said:
Do you believe in evolution by natural selection?
http://ncse.com/news/2009/12/evolution-new-harris-poll-005232
These are the results of a new Harris poll, but the survey lacks answers from Muslims. I think it would be beneficial to conduct our own survey.

"The results varied by religion: 51% of Catholics, 32% of Protestants, 80% of Jews, and 16% of born-again Christians believed in Darwin's theory of evolution, while 37% of Catholics, 56% of Protestants, 20% of Jews, and 68% of born-again Christians believed in creationism. Overall, the results were basically unchanged from 2007, when 42% of respondents believed in evolution and 39% of respondents believed in creationism. The poll was conducted on-line on November 2 and 11, 2009, among 2303 adults in the United States; figures were weighted to reflect the composition of the adult population. "Because the sample is based on those who agreed to participate in the Harris Interactive panel," the report explains, "no estimates of theorical sampling error can be calculated."
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I find this subject a bit interesting, esp if we assume that the world was not created in 7 days.
 
The concept of natural selection is acceptable because its what would logically happen in nature- the animal that is better at adapting to its enviroment will out live other animals that are less, hence this is the natural process of one animal becoming extinct...

But it doesnt mean that all of a sudden fish- in oder to survive will grow wings and start to fly or change into a different animal all together- there is not solid proof for this.
 
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I havent completely made up my mind. But.....if we look to the natural world, we will find that any babies born to animals which are not 100% healthy are quite often abandoned by their mothers. This is different in humans because of how we have been made by Allah. also, even if these animals did survive beyond youth they would often die young as they would be unable to fend for themselves.

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your poll questions are ridiculously phrased that I am not sure who would partake?
ones beliefs as far as science is concerned should be evidence based and science based not religion based!

Haram doesn't belong into the folds of said questions, and moreover
it has all been discussed here:

http://www.islamicboard.com/health-science/134265122-evolution-test.html

amongst many other threads..

I believe in the folds of 24 pages you are bound to encounter every opinion there is!

all the best
 
abu_musab461 said:
The concept of natural selection is acceptable because its what would logically happen in nature- the animal that is better at adapting to its enviroment will out live other animals that are less, hence this is the natural process of one animal becoming extinct...

But it doesnt mean that all of a sudden fish- in oder to survive will grow wings and start to fly or change into a different animal all together- there is not solid proof for this.
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No sane scientist claims what you have just said. Strawman argument? No credible scientist says that all of a sudden fish would grow wings. It takes millions of years to develop wings and that is perfectly logical.

P.S.
 
Hi Waters, the big problem I have with "evolution" is why bother. This world is mostly covered in ocean which is high in minerals and is daily bombarded by solar radiation so algae is the most successful life form, pumping out most of the worlds oxygen. If this was the beginning of "life" from the Athiests point of view then why would it evolve? There seems to be no purpose in bio diversity. And in the scientific field you have to have observation from the beginning, if you know what or when that was. So all science without absolute proof becomes more a matter of faith, a Godless religion that is more swayed by politics and social control than real science. It is basically a cyber superstition for the masses to consume. The scientists with government backing become the new Pharisees.
 
i find that evolution theory dose not make much sense if you really study darwins theories there is alot of flaws in it:hmm: and ive always believed this even before reverting. id find myself laughing when id here people saying ''can you believe we use to be monkey's'' id just go into fits of laughing. one minute i thought they were going to start climbing trees and have a banana eating contest
 
cat eyes said:
i find that evolution theory dose not make much sense if you really study darwins theories there is alot of flaws in it:hmm: and ive always believed this even before reverting. id find myself laughing when id here people saying ''can you believe we use to be monkey's'' id just go into fits of laughing. one minute i thought they were going to start climbing trees and have a banana eating contest
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sister, we did not use to be monkeys. monkeys were monkeys, we are we. Just related to them. Or so the evolutionary biologists say.
 
Evolution and Creationism are two totally different subjects. They are not related or even similar to each other. Evolution has no bearing at all on creationism. Evolution has nothing to do with how anything was created.

Creationism does not mean evolution did not nor does not occur. Creationism is not an antithesis of evolution.

Evolution never was a theory. Darwin never did propose a theory of evolution, evolution is an established fact and is verifiable. Do you agree Adam and Eve were a different size then the people of today. If you answer yes, you believe evolution is a fact. If you deny believing the descendants of Adam and Eve evolved into the different races and body sizes of today's humans, it only means you do not understand what evolution is. We do not believe humans evolved from another species we are one species and have always been the same species, but we did change somewhat in appearance from our long ago ancestors.

Evolution does not state how anything was created. It simply states that created living things can and have changed in appearance since they were first created.

While he made many mistakes in his "Origin of Species" especially when he proposed humans evolved from a different species. Darwin, simply offered his opinion of how animals and plants changed in accordance with the environment. He never made any claims about how things were created.

Creationism explains how life was created. It has no explanation for nor is related to how things change after they were created. Creationism does not rule out or deny evolution.

To state my own beliefs, I believe that Allaah(swt) created all things and as they evolved into today's forms the evolution took place through the intervention and/or guidance of Allaah(swt).
 
Woodrow said:
Evolution and Creationism are two totally different subjects. They are not related or even similar to each other. Evolution has no bearing at all on creationism. Evolution has nothing to do with how anything was created.

Creationism does not mean evolution did not nor does not occur. Creationism is not an antithesis of evolution.

Evolution never was a theory. Darwin never did propose a theory of evolution, evolution is an established fact and is verifiable. Do you agree Adam and Eve were a different size then the people of today. If you answer yes, you believe evolution is a fact. If you deny believing the descendants of Adam and Eve evolved into the different races and body sizes of today's humans, it only means you do not understand what evolution is. We do not believe humans evolved from another species we are one species and have always been the same species, but we did change somewhat in appearance from our long ago ancestors.

Evolution does not state how anything was created. It simply states that created living things can and have changed in appearance since they were first created.

While he made many mistakes in his "Origin of Species" especially when he proposed humans evolved from a different species. Darwin, simply offered his opinion of how animals and plants changed in accordance with the environment. He never made any claims about how things were created.

Creationism explains how life was created. It has no explanation for nor is related to how things change after they were created. Creationism does not rule out or deny evolution.

To state my own beliefs, I believe that Allaah(swt) created all things and as they evolved into today's forms the evolution took place through the intervention and/or guidance of Allaah(swt).
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Interesting response. it also fits in with the observation of the world around us. Earth was not always present as soon as Big Bang occurred. It took time for Earth to to form, to cool down and permit life. I can call this "evolution," if you will, of material forms. From one form to another. If God creates Earth in such way, and is still an All-Powerful God, then why do we hesitate in saying the same thing regarding humans, which are merely a one creation among many of God? One of Allah's attributes is Evolver. Just a food for thought.

May Allah give me death on emaan. Ameen.
 
Greetings and peace be with you waters2100; welcome to the forum.

I voted no, the Bible says that God created every living creature according to its kind. I take this to mean that Evolution by mutation and natural selection, did not occur, as God created each species separately, and in a complete way.

Although my beliefs may be at odds with science, I do not see this as a problem, the Bible inspires me to search for a way of life, and salvation.

Even if I believed in the theory of evolution, I cannot see what it would inspire me to do.

In the spirit of searching for God

Eric
 
Eric H said:
Greetings and peace be with you waters2100; welcome to the forum.

I voted no, the Bible says that God created every living creature according to its kind. I take this to mean that Evolution by mutation and natural selection, did not occur, as God created each species separately, and in a complete way.

Although my beliefs may be at odds with science, I do not see this as a problem, the Bible inspires me to search for a way of life, and salvation.

Even if I believed in the theory of evolution, I cannot see what it would inspire me to do.

In the spirit of searching for God

Eric
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Peace Eric,

To begin I believe this is a very important statement in yor post.

Even if I believed in the theory of evolution, I cannot see what it would inspire me to do.

Quite profound when I think about. As a theist who believes evolution occurs by natural selection through the intervention of God(swt), I can not think of one thing that would inspire me to do or not do.

Gads, I think I just said discussion about evolution is an unneeded topic.
 
Has God created or is God creating, I mean constantly generating reality and everything. And when God is gone would we have never been?
As it said in the Quran this is the second creation now.

If a baby thinks everything disapears when she or he closes their eyes, what are the delusions that adults may have?
 
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My (current) ideals about this:
1. Do not "believe" in science (i.e. don't treat theories like a dogma), but examine the methods and proofs.
2. Do not intermingle science with ideologies, politics, and religion. Vice versa.

So, even though evolution might be contradictory to religious doctrines(the three monotheistic/Abrahamic religions), ideologies, or politics, it should be left alone until other valid theories replace it.

In scientific discourse it is abhorrent in my opinion to use pseudoscience as to satisfy the above three. Do not politicize it, lest it be like this:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysenkoism

Let science be as the way it is, because belief is another story.

(BTW, I vote for none of the above. But I would make another choice: No, and maybe it is haram except in laboratories and the likes.
 
After 150 years of close scrutiny of the theory of evolution and masses of new evidence via genetics, DNA, the fossil record and a range of other sciences I dont think there is any doubt.
However on the up side all the above evidences do also provide proofs for creation as evolution only deals with speciation and has no answers to lifes beginings.
At the same time what this Earth has produced is ultimate evidence of a higher power.
 
Seeking-soul said:
After 150 years of close scrutiny of the theory of evolution and masses of new evidence via genetics, DNA, the fossil record and a range of other sciences I dont think there is any doubt.
However on the up side all the above evidences do also provide proofs for creation as evolution only deals with speciation and has no answers to lifes beginings.
At the same time what this Earth has produced is ultimate evidence of a higher power.
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Is that a blind belief? I yet have to see tens of thousands of skeletons of species that provide a sequential picture of every single difference over generation, no matter how minute, that led to emergence of mankind from monkey-like ancestors. Whatever fossils we have, they are very few in number compared to what one would expect from the preservation of bones from the last 500,000 -100,0000 years or so. We have more fossils from pre-cambrian era and less from the recent ones?!! An escapist argument would be that pre-cambrian fossils were good at being fossilized compared to bones but there are alternate explanations for the lack of so many fossils as well.
 
Wa7abiScientist said:
Is that a blind belief? I yet have to see tens of thousands of skeletons of species that provide a sequential picture of every single difference over generation, no matter how minute, that led to emergence of mankind from monkey-like ancestors. Whatever fossils we have, they are very few in number compared to what one would expect from the preservation of bones from the last 500,000 -100,0000 years or so. We have more fossils from pre-cambrian era and less from the recent ones?!! An escapist argument would be that pre-cambrian fossils were good at being fossilized compared to bones but there are alternate explanations for the lack of so many fossils as well.
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I agree the fossil record is very incomplete. Homonid fossils even scarcer and the few do not support any actual relationship between each other. From what I have seen, I can not see any connection between the homonid fossils and humans, but I am not a paleontologist.
 
Wa7abiScientist said:
Is that a blind belief? I yet have to see tens of thousands of skeletons of species that provide a sequential picture of every single difference over generation, no matter how minute, that led to emergence of mankind from monkey-like ancestors. Whatever fossils we have, they are very few in number compared to what one would expect from the preservation of bones from the last 500,000 -100,0000 years or so. We have more fossils from pre-cambrian era and less from the recent ones?!! An escapist argument would be that pre-cambrian fossils were good at being fossilized compared to bones but there are alternate explanations for the lack of so many fossils as well.
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On the fossil record I agree that there is very little evidence, even though we have millions of them, the natural conditions needed for good fossils to have been left in the ground for us to find mean that the vast majority of creatures to live on this earth are now vanished to dust, but even if we had an exact linkage of fossils, fossils in themselves are the weakest body of evidence.
Though that evidence is remarkable.

If you look at the subjects of Taxonomy, Genetics and DNA, the evidence is fool proof without question.

It needs to be understood that no scientific theory has ever recieved such inspection by so many, and yet the evidence to support evolution far exceeds the evidence for the theory of relativity.

The scientific methods and rules for any theory, Law or hypothosis in science are the same for everything, the technology used to find evidence for these theories are the same as that used for making your plane fly to catching criminals, Evolution is a fact until anybody proves it otherwise by presenting a better supported theory, as yet all others have been jokes.

I dont see the need to fear this science, to me it is obvious that our creator wants us to know these things as this created earth contains everything we need to find these answers.

And evolution does not deal with creation only variation,
 

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