Please Help Me in My Debate Against a non-Believer

[OurIslamic]

I've been going on different Islamic hate sites, in order to learn why they do not believe in Islam and why they HATE it. I've found the following "pieces of evidence" which they claim shows how Islam is a hateful religion.

Please don't bash them, all I need is some help in refuting these pieces of evidence:

1) Kill non-Muslims wherever you find them. Lie in wait and ambush them, seize and capture them using every stratagem of war (for example, political, economic, propaganda, population explosion). If they convert to Islam and pray and contribute to the cause of Islam (Jihad), let them go." (Koran 9:5)

2) "Non-Muslims MUST convert to Islam or they will be killed." (Koran 48:16)

3) "Fight the people of the Book (Jews and Christians) and extort money from them." (Koran 9:29)

4) "Mohammed, the messenger of Allah, and those who follow him (Muslims) are merciful to one another but harsh to the infidels (non-Muslims)." (Koran 48:29)

5) "Do not make friends with inferior people (Jews, Christians and all non-Muslims)." (Koran 3:118)

6) "I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah." -- Mohamet (Bukhari Volume 9, Book 84, Number 59).

7) "Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in his cause, and slay and are slain." (Koran 9:111)

8) "Fight then against them till strife be at an end, and the religion be all of it Allah's." - Qur'an 8:40

Volume 4, Book 52, Number 269:
Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah:

9) The Prophet said, "War is deceit."

10) “Allah’s Apostle (Mohamet) said, ‘I have been made victorious with terror’” (Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 220).

11) "When judgment day arrives, Allah will give every Muslim a Jew or Christian to kill so that the Muslim will not enter into hell fire." -- Mohammed (Mishkat Al-Messabih, vol. 2, no. 5552.)

Please attempt to refute each piece of evidence directly.

Jazakallah

 

[OurIslamic]

This is what I've come up with so far (without directly refuting the quotes, I'm waiting for some advice as to what I should say):

"Most people who are against Islam do not understand Arabic, OR get their translations from unreliable sources. Can you link me to your sources? Also, some translators incorrectly translate the Qur'an (which is why it is ideal if you understand arabic or get a reliable translation). You can get a 100% reliable translation if you buy a Qur'an with an English translation that is printed by a reputable company. I noticed that in on of your quotes, you cited "Bukhari". He is a very reputable scholor. Just in the future, please attempt to translate the arabic yourself, or find someone who is unbiased (towards or against Muslims)."

 

[Insaanah]

Is this link of any help?

http://www.load-islam.com/artical_det.php?artical_id=414&subsection=Misconceptions

 

[OurIslamic]

Fabulous! Jazakallah sister.

 

[Woodrow]

I highly discourage anyone going to hate sites for the purpose of refuting them. Those sites want us to go to them and engage in refutations. We are placing our selves in extreme danger of being mis-quoted and our words being twisted to appear we agree with them.

Typically if a Muslim finds themselves winning a debate or if the refutations are being read, the Muslim will soon find their account blocked and their posts edited to support the hate site.

I have personally had that happen to me on at least 2 hate forums.

A better approach is to not refute them on their forum where they can control what you say. Instead direct them to bring their questions or disagreements here or to any Muslim site of their choice.

 

[OurIslamic]

I understand. I probably won't be going on many of those sites anymore.....

After providing the link that Sister Insane Isaan linked to...several members started directing hateful comments towards me. I find it weird how they believe that Muslims are "evil" or "want to kill/oppress non-Muslims" when they, themselves, shut down anyone who tries to reason with them.

 

[KittenLover]

yeah, alot of the quotations you mentioned were revealed in a certain context and situation, and when taken out of that context and situation they can be made to look bad.

Alot of them if you read the previous verses and next verses, you'll find "fight those who fight you and expelled you from your homes" and so on

"make peace with them if they make peace with you for Allah loves not the aggressors"

but they're just taking the 1 verse and not reading the next few verses.

 

[Woodrow]

I understand. I probably won't be going on many of those sites anymore.....

After providing the link that Sister Insane Isaan linked to...several members started directing hateful comments towards me. I find it weird how they believe that Muslims are "evil" or "want to kill/oppress non-Muslims" when they, themselves, shut down anyone who tries to reason with them.

Hate blinds a person from seeing anything except what they can twist to justify their hate.

 

[lifeguard]

Hi..I guess it has been said that these verses are quoted out of context and most of them were revealed during war time..And the verses before and after them reveal the real story..

For example..during the war in Vietnam, if President Bush were to say to his American soldiers after a few of their soldiers have been killed in an ambush...

'Kill any Vietnamese where you find him'

then it would sound appropriate since it is the state of war...and he said it to boost the morale of his army...

But if Bush or Obama were to say it today then it would be totally inappropriate and show aggressive and evil intent...

 

[Muslim Woman]

I highly discourage anyone going to hate sites for the purpose of refuting them........ Muslim will soon find their account blocked and their posts edited to support the hate site.

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a very good post bro ( as usual ). Yes , those who want to know about Islam will visit any Islamic sites. It's unlikely that Islam bashers will allow Muslims to remove misconceptions about Islam in their hate sites.

So , OP , listen to our bro and don't visit anti-Islamic hate sites. May Allah reward you for ur good intentions.

 

[Eliphaz]

Hi..I guess it has been said that these verses are quoted out of context and most of them were revealed during war time..And the verses before and after them reveal the real story..

For example..during the war in Vietnam, if President Bush were to say to his American soldiers after a few of their soldiers have been killed in an ambush...

'Kill any Vietnamese where you find him'

then it would sound appropriate since it is the state of war...and he said it to boost the morale of his army...

But if Bush or Obama were to say it today then it would be totally inappropriate and show aggressive and evil intent...

Do you really feel it is justifiable under any circumstances to say "kill members of [any group of people categorised by beliefs or ethnicity] wherever you find them"? Do you not feel it needs to be written a bit more clearly if such words will be so easily taken out of context centuries later?

EDIT: Even I, as a disbeliever, can see that many of the quotes have been misquoted, particularly the verses of the Qur'an.

 

[cat eyes]

I highly discourage anyone going to hate sites for the purpose of refuting them. Those sites want us to go to them and engage in refutations. We are placing our selves in extreme danger of being mis-quoted and our words being twisted to appear we agree with them.

Typically if a Muslim finds themselves winning a debate or if the refutations are being read, the Muslim will soon find their account blocked and their posts edited to support the hate site.

I have personally had that happen to me on at least 2 hate forums.

A better approach is to not refute them on their forum where they can control what you say. Instead direct them to bring their questions or disagreements here or to any Muslim site of their choice.

haha yeah whats the point

 

[MSalman]

Do you really feel it is justifiable under any circumstances to say "kill members of [any group of people categorised by beliefs or ethnicity] wherever you find them"?

yes, in the time of war, the enemies are to be slain and it is pretty stupid of someone to deny that. Maybe in your world, you have tea party with your enemies and give them your women (since they are so cheap in your society) but it doesn't happen in sane Islamic world.

Do you not feel it needs to be written a bit more clearly if such words will be so easily taken out of context centuries later?

no, we don't because people with few brain cells and some knowledge can understand the context and grasp the correct meaning. The humans are all about complaining and they can never be satisfied! If it was revealed the way you said, would you then have accepted truth?

 

[OurIslamic]

yes, in the time of war, the enemies are to be slain and it is pretty stupid of someone to deny that. Maybe in your world, you have tea party with your enemies and give them your women (since they are so cheap in your society) but it doesn't happen in sane Islamic world.

no, we don't because people with few brain cells and some knowledge can understand the context and grasp the correct meaning. The humans are all about complaining and they can never be satisfied! If it was revealed the way you said, would you then have accepted truth?

Please don't personally attack someone, especially on my thread.

 

[aamirsaab]

Do you really feel it is justifiable under any circumstances to say "kill members of [any group of people categorised by beliefs or ethnicity] wherever you find them"? Do you not feel it needs to be written a bit more clearly if such words will be so easily taken out of context centuries later?

EDIT: Even I, as a disbeliever, can see that many of the quotes have been misquoted, particularly the verses of the Qur'an.

If one actually read the verse entirely (and with the approriate historical context), there wouldn't be any problem.

That goes for all of these verses cherry picked by critics. They'll give you half an ayat (you can tell because when you pick up a Qur'an, the sentence is much longer!) and say OMG OMG OMG ISLAM SAYS THIS SO WE SHOULD MAKE SOME NOISE ABOUT IT.

P.s; there's approximately 6000 verses in the Qur'an. All the haters in the world will give you no more than 10 ''violent'' verses. Now, I'm not a mathematician by any means, but I do believe that's not even 1 percent of the Qur'an.

Edit: ourislamic, point 9 in your original post doesn't need refuting: it's a matter of fact!

 

[Italianguy]

There are sites made soley towards hate of Islam?? I didn't know that? Who are they, or what faith are they if any? I assume they are Atheism sites, or satanists?

What are some of there links? I wan't to see this. Do they hate Christians as well?

 

[aamirsaab]

There are sites made soley towards hate of Islam?? I didn't know that? Who are they, or what faith are they if any? I assume they are Atheism sites, or satanists?

What are some of there links? I wan't to see this. Do they hate Christians as well?

There's different types.

Some are crazy christians (I call them crazy because from my recollection, hating anyone is a bad thing in Jesus' teachings)

Some are crazy athiests (I call them crazy because they don't know the basics of Islam but seek to debate about Sharia law. They also fall into hypocricy traps [I won't go into]) Some of these guys hate all religions (by all I mean, the ones they have heard of not neccessarily every religion - they're pretty dumb tbh) One in particular is on youtube. His name rhymes with Fat Mongrel (he's your typical crazy athiest).

Some are crazy ex-muslims (I call them crazy because, well they're just crazy) Actually, these tend to be the most frequent kind. On any one hater site, you probably have an ex-muslim. Maybe a group of them. You also get fake ex-muslims who cause the most trouble (you can tell they are fake by asking them simple questions, like: how many times a muslim is to pray a day. Or what shape is the Kabah.)

I have heard some crazy hindus mouthing off about Islam but that was on facebook.

They all have sites, which we have banned

 

[Italianguy]

There's different types.

Some are crazy christians (I call them crazy because from my recollection, hating anyone is a bad thing in Jesus' teachings)

Some are crazy athiests (I call them crazy because they don't know the basics of Islam but seek to debate about Sharia law. They also fall into hypocricy traps [I won't go into])

Some are crazy ex-muslims (I call them crazy because, well they're just crazy)

I have heard some crazy hindus mouthing off about Islam but that was on facebook.

They all have sites, which we have banned

soooooooo....basicaly just a bunch of crazy people?

I will have to check these out. It is against a Christians beleif to spread hate towards others in anyway, yes it would be against what Christ taught us. I know there are people in every faith that don't abide by what they are supposed to all the time....trust me I know A LOT of people , and some just have no clue.

 

[maisha]

i wonder why do people think we are evil we have no BAD intensions

 

[Italianguy]

i wonder why do people think we are evil we have no BAD intensions

Don't be sad. I don't think Muslims are evil at all.

There are radicals everywhere, in every faith, in all parts of the world, from every walk of life.

You want to know what i hate...NOTHING!...well.....spiders kinda creep me out:hmm: