bible clearly says jesus was not crucified!!!

[Grace Seeker]

is this discussion happening becuase of me because im getting confused and im new to the forum so i dont understand wat is happnin! :S

This is your first post in this thread. Why would you think that any of the previous discussion happened because of you?

 

[Predator]

I don't see a one of these contradicting the message that Jesus was crucified.

Yes, most certainly Jesus is seen as alive later. But that doesn't mean he wasn't crucified. THE message of all four gospels is clear: Jesus was crucified, dead and buried. That should be the end of the story, at least it is with most people. But it isn't with Jesus. Why not? Becuase, as each of the gospels go on to report, not only did Jesus die, but he was also raised to life again from the dead. This phrase "from the dead" is used by every New Testament writer, save James and Jude, as a way of referring to Jesus.

Jesus is supposed to have been on the cross for three hours and his legs and bones were not broken . According to the system in vogue, no man could die by crucifixion in so short a time ,The crucifixion is a slow lingering death unlike hanging a man, drowning a man etc which kills a man so soon which he would mean that he survived


And after the crucifixion Mary Magdalene alone (Mark 16:9 and John 20:1)
visited the tomb of Jesus.
The question arises: "Why did she go there?" "TO ANOINT HIM", Mark 16:1 tells us andThe second question is: "Do Jews massage dead bodies after 3 days?" The answer is "No!" "Do the Christians massage dead bodies after 3 days?" The answer is again, "No!" Do the Muslims (who are the nearest to the Jews in their ceremonial laws) massage dead bodies after 3 days?
And the answer is again, "No!" Then why should a Jewess want to massage a dead, decaying body after 3 days? We know that within 3 hours rigor mortis sets in - the stiffening of thebody after death. In 3 days time, the body would be fermenting from within - the body cells
would be breaking up and decomposing. If anyone rubs such a decaying body, it will fall topieces. Does the rubbing make sense? No!
It would, however, make sense if she was looking for a LIVE person. You see, she was aboutthe only person besides Joseph of Arimathe'a and Nicodemus who had given the final rites tothe body of Jesus. If she had seen any sign of life in the limp body of Jesus when he was takendown from the cross, she was not going to shout, "HE IS ALIVE!" She returns after 2 nights and
a day, when the Jewish Sabbath had passed, to take care of Jesus.

STONE REMOVED - WINDING SHEETS UNWOUND
She was sorely amazed to find on arrival, that somebody had already removed the stone and,on peeping into the tomb, she finds that the winding sheets (shroud) were folded up inside.More questions arise? "Why was the stone removed?" Because for a resurrected body, onewhich had conquered death, it was not necessary for the stone to be removed for it to get
out, nor was it necessary for the winding sheets to be unwound for it to move. Because, for a spiritualised body: "STONE WALLS DO NOT A PRISON MAKE, NOR IRON BARS A CAGE." The removal of the stone and the unwinding of the winding sheets was the need of aphysically resuscitated body, not that of a resurrectedbody! The empty tomb was an
anti-climax to what she had expected! So the hysterical woman (Jesus had had to cast out of her "seven devils" - Mark 16:9) breaks down and sobs. Jesus was all the while watching her from the vicinity - not from heaven, but from earth.Jesus is there! He is watching this woman. He knows who she is, and he knows why she is
there. He approaches her from behind, and finds her crying. So he asks her:

"Woman, why weepest thou? Whom seekest thou? - (John 20:15). Before she replies,
allow me to interject: "Why does he ask what appears to be silly questions? Doesn't he knowthe obvious reasons? Of course he does! Then why the silly questions?"The answer is that in reality they are not silly questions, though they appear to be so. Heknows that this woman is looking for him, and she is disappointed on not finding him; hence the weeping. But he also knows that because of his heavy disguise she would not be able to
recognise him. So metaphorically speaking he is pulling her leg. In describing this incidentJohn, referring to Mary Magdalene, says: "She, supposing him to be the gardener, saith unto him". Now why should she suppose that he is a gardener? Do resurrected personslook like "gardeners"? No!! Then why does she suppose him to be a gardener? Because he is disguised as a GARDENER! Why is he disguised as a gardener? Because he is afraid of the
Jews! Why is he afraid of the Jews? Because he did not die and did not conquer death! Ifhe had died, and if he had conquered death, then he would not be afraid anymore. Why not?
Because a resurrected body cannot die twice! Who says so? The Bible says so. Where? In the

Book of Hebrews 9:27. It says:
". . . it is ordained unto all men ONCE to die, and after that the
judgement."

You cant die twice

BACK FROM THE DEAD ????


But what about the hundreds of people who have come back from the "dead"? We read about them daily in our newspapers.

Those persons who were certified dead, by medical men, and who subsequently came back to life; were not really DEAD, in the sense of DEATH AND RESURRECTION. Our Doctors have erred and will continue to make mistakes; it cannot behelped. newspaper reporter in each case is telling us, very subtly, that the "DEAD" was not really dead. That the "CORPSE" was not really a corpse, and that the "CRUCIFIXIONS" were not
really crucifixions but cruci-fictions! They were SO-CALLED dead, the SO-CALLED corpse,the SO-CALLED crucifixions, etc. But from the newspaper circulation point of view, the word"SO-CALLED" would greatly diminish the sensationalism, lessen the news value, and reduce
possible sales. After all business is business! Hence the inverted commas ". . ." In actual fact,no man ever dies twice. No matter how many death certificates are issued.

THE DRAMA CONTINUES
Mary supposing the disguised Jesus to be a gardener, says unto him:
"Sir, if you have taken HIM hence, tell me where have you laid HIM . . .
(John 20:15)
She is not looking for a corpse, for "it". She is looking for a LIVE person, for "HIM". And further, she wants to know as to "where have you 'LAID' him?" (i.e. To rest, to relax, to
recuperate!) NOT, "where have you BURIED him?"
"So that I might take HIM away."
(John 20:15)
Take HIM away, where? What would she want with a dead (?), decomposing body? She couldonly bury it. Who dug the grave? Carrying a corpse is one thing for an American Super-woman, but another for this frail Jewess; carrying a corpse of at least a hundred and sixty
pounds. That weight plus another 100 pounds of medicants (according to John 19:39) wouldmake a neat load of 260 pounds. Carrying would be one thing, but burying? She would haveto dump it in a hole! Does it make any sense?The prank that Jesus was playing upon this woman had gone too far. The woman had notbeen able to see through the disguise yet and Jesus was "laughing under his breath", but could restrain himself no longer. He blurts
out: "M-A-R-Y!" Only the one word! But it was enough. This one word, "Mary!" did what allthe exchange of words failed to do. It enabled Mary to recognise her Master. Everyone has his or her unique and peculiar way of calling one's nearest and dearest. It was not the mere utterance of the word "Mary", but its deliberate intonation which made her respond: "Master! Master!". Mad with happiness, she lunges forward to grab her Master, to pay reverence.

Jesus says,
"Touch me not!"
(John 20:17)
SOBERING QUESTIONS
Why not? Is he a bundle of electricity, a dynamo, that if she touches him, she might get electrocuted? No! "Touch me not!", because it would hurt. Though he appears normal to all intents and purposes, he had, nevertheless, been through a violent, physical and emotionalordeal. It would be excruciatingly painful if he allowed her any enthusiastic contact. Jesus continues:

"For I am not yet ASCENDED unto my Father."
(John 20:17)
She is not blind. She can see the man standing there before her. What does he mean by "notyet ascended" - GONE UP - when he was DOWN right there? He is, in fact, telling her thathe is not RESURRECTED from the DEAD. he is saying: "I AM NOT DEAD YET!" - He is saying: "I AM ALIVE!"

 

[Predator]

Just because something contains contradictions, it doesn't mean it isn't credible.

But it stretches the imagination to understand how one can argue that the Bible doesn't present Jesus as having been crucified when it is one of the clearest and most repeated statements of the entire Bible.

It might be repeated statement but when they can be easily refuted just like the other below statements of your bible than it doesnt make it credible even if repeated several times

“Scientific evidence” number 1

The Bible says the earth was created in six days (Genesis 2:1) [In case apologetics think that the 6 days constitute epochs or periods of time instead of 24 hour days, let them consider Genesis 1:3 where day and night + morning and evening are clearly mentioned]

Scientific response
Modern science in geology and physics have calculated that the earth was created in the time span of MILLIONS of years and not simply six 24 hour days. Even a non-scientist can see that it’s ridiculous to suggest that the earth came into being in only six 24 hour days as even the smallest of plants take quite sometime to grow.


“Scientific Evidence” number 2
The Bible says that there was light on the first day of creation:
“And God said,”Let there be light”; and there was light. And God saw that the light was good; and God seperated light from darkness. God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, the first day.” (Genesis 1:3-5)

Yet, the source of light itself i.e. the sun was created not until the FOURTH day! (Genesis1:14)

To reconcile the apparent scientific anomaly, apologetics have tried to suggest that the “Light” spoken in Genesis 1:3-5 is a spiritual light or some other light besides that emanated by the sun to the earth. A simple observation and reading of the verses in question will prove otherwise. Verse 5, “And there was evening and there was morning, the first day” is quite revealing and shows that IT IS INDEED SPEAKING about the LIGHT GIVEN TO EARTH which brings about night and day which is due to the SUN!

Scientific Response
Day and night on earth exists due to the rotation of the earth and the existence of the Sun and the Moon.


“Scientific evidence” number 3
The Bible says that plants formed on the third day of creation:
“And God said,”Let the earth put forth vegetation, plants yielding seed, and fruit trees bearing fruit in which is their seed, each according to its kind, upon the earth.” And it was so.”(Genesis 1:11)

Yet, the Sun which is one of the basic components required for complex seed formation was only created on the fourth day!(Genesis 1:14)

Scientific Response
Plants require the Sun to go through a process known as photosynthesis for growth.


“Scientific Evidence” number 4
The Bible says that animals were created before man. (Genesis 1:24-27)
Yet, in Genesis 2:7 it mentions that man was first created and only in verse 19 were animals created.
Scientific Response
Logically and reasonably, animals were created before humans so that the latter may survive on the former.

“Scientific Evidence” number 5
The Bible says that trees were created before man. (Genesis 1:11-12 and 26-27)
Yet, in Genesis 2:4-9 it says man was created before trees.

Scientific Response
Trees were created prior to humans as the existence of trees in supplying oxygen is crucial for the existence of other creatures including man.

“Scientific Evidence” number 6
The Bible gives a lucid picture of the earth being flat. It is little wonder that many Christian figures of ancient times actually believed the earth was flat such as Lactantius, Severian of Gabala, Cosmas Indicopleustes and others.

“And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.” (Isaiah 11:12)

“that it might take the earth by the edges and shake the wicked out of it” (Job 38:13)

“The tree grew, and was strong, and the height thereof reached unto heaven, and the sight thereof to the end of all the earth.”(Daniel 4:11)

Which tree is taller than the Petronas Twin Towers in Malaysia? Can the people in Europe see the Petronas Twin Towers from Europe even when the towers are so bloody high? It’s silly to even suggest such a thing.

“Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and showed him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them” (Matthew 4:8)

The verses in Daniel and Matthew gives an idea that if you went high up enough you can see the whole wide world. The earth is geo-spherical which means that even if one were to go to the Moon one will still not be able to see the whole world together at once. The only way is if the world was flat. Now, compare this notion with “o whom then will ye liken God? ….It is he that sits upon the circle (chuwg) of the earth (Isaiah 40:18-23 ). If the earth can be seen from an exceedingly high summit as suggested by Matthew 4:8 and Daniel 4:11 and then in Isaiah it says the world is a circle, then the shape of the earth as given by these verses is a huge COIN! Is the earth’s shape like that of a coin? I don’t think so.

Scientific Response
Duh…even 7 year olds know the earth is a globe!

“Scientific Evidence” number 7
The Bible says the earth does NOT move!
“The Lord is king. He is clothed wit majesty and strength, The earth is set firmly in place and cannot be moved.” (psalms 93:1)

“Say among the nations,”The Lord reigns.” The world is firmly established, it cannot be moved; he will judge the people with equity.”(Psalms 96:10)

“tremble before him, all the earth; yea, the world stands firm, never to be moved.”( 1st Chronicles 16:30)

Scientific Response
The earth does move i.e. rotate and cricle around the sun in its orbit. It also moves along with the whole galaxy to a point in the universe.

“Scientific Evidence” number 8
The Bible says the earth has foundations that support it:
The earth has no foundation (Job 26:7). However, this is contradicted by 1st Samuel 2:8 and Job 9:6 where it clearly says Earth sits upon pillars.
Scientific Response
The earth is not supported by pillars but by what is known as gravity suspending it on what is known as an orbit.

“Scientific Evidence” number 9
The Bible says that the heaven i.e. sky has got pillars!
“The pillars of heaven tremble, and are astonished at his reproof.”(Job 26:11)
Scientific Response
What hogwash! Even a doofus can see that the sky does not have pillars supporting it.

“Scientific Evidence” number 10
The Bible says that the earth will last forever in Ecclesiastes 1:4 but in 2 Peter 3:10 it says that the earth will be destroyed.
Scientific Response
There are many ways the earth can be destroyed and indeed it will be destroyed. What is certain is that when the sun extinguishes and that is inevitable the earth and everything else in the galaxy will be destroyed along with it.

“Scientific Evidence” number 11
The Bible says that embryos are fashioned like cheese!
“Remember, I beseech thee, that thou has fashioned me as clay; and wilt thou bring me into dust again! Hast thou not poured me out as milk, and curdled me like cheese? Thou has clothed me with skin and flesh, and knit me together with bones and sinews.” (Job 10:9-11)

The idea that embryology is fashioned like cheese is strikingly identical with what Aristotle said in his book “On the Generation of Animals.”(page 64-65). Yet, Christian apologists and missionaries have the audacity to accuse the Qur’an of having plagiarised Greek philosophies.

Scientific Response:
Babies are not made like cheese. Stop drinking!


Conclusion

These are but a few examples of many UNSCIENTIFIC and not credible teachings in the Bible

 

[Grace Seeker]

Airforce, what is the point of your last two posts? Neither of them provides any basis on which to deny that the Bible presents Jesus as having been crucified, in fact the passages used in your first of the two posts assumes it to have been so.

You do realize that a supposed refutation that Jesus was crucified is NOT the same as a refutation that the Bible says that he was crucified? It is merely calling the Bible itself into question, but the testimony of the Bible stands. The OP's video claimed that from the Bible he could refute that Jesus was crucified because the Bible clearly says Jesus was not crucified. He failed miserably in the endeavor. If you now seek to embark on a new endeavor of refuting the validity of the Bible's claims that Jesus was crucified, you must begin that by admitting that the Bible does indeed claim that Jesus was crucified or there is nothing to refute.

So, yes or no, do you admit that the Bible does indeed claim that Jesus was crucified?

 

[Predator]

So, yes or no, do you admit that the Bible does indeed claim that Jesus was crucified?

It does says both crucified and as well as alive . Contradictions just like how it said the earth is flat but infact it is scientifically proven that it is round .

And Jesus is trying to prove to his people that he has survived the cross and that he is alive

Would you believe

1. The words of Jesus
2 Bible

 

[Grace Seeker]

It does says both crucified and as well as alive . Contradictions just like how it said the earth is flat but infact it is scientifically proven that it is round .

And Jesus is trying to prove to his people that he has survived the cross and that he is alive

Would you believe

1. The words of Jesus
2 Bible

I don't see any place in the Bible where Jesus is trying to prove that he survived the cross. On the contrary, it presents him as having died and been resurrected. That is an entirely different thing.

 

[Al-manar]

I don't see any place in the Bible where Jesus is trying to prove that he survived the cross.

And I dont see any place in the Quran where Jesus is trying to prove that he survived after being crucified !!

Such Shallow discussion (from the Muslims part) ,is to be expected when it begins with a flawed introduction and wrong methodology by DR Zakir Naik ( I highly respect his arguments but not that one), the discussion has gone far to another flawed argument (Though been crucified,he survived)!.....


and who knows may be some next posts one would argue that the bible says clearly that Juda was crucified instead of Jesus !......

The lesson to be learned here,is whenever you dont follow what the Quran tells ,you wouldnt be convincing in whatever discussion with a christian you may have......

The verse (they killed him not, nor crucified him) makes the argument that Jesus survived after being on the cross ,a waste of time....


and the first argument in the video,what is he trying to say?
to provide some NT material that would negate the death of Jesus by crucifiction,according to the NT narratives?

no way for that ...

simply that is not what the Quran tells about such issue .....

the quran negates the crucifiction and provides us with sufficint reasons

It doesnt tell ,that we should go the the gospel putting the burden of the negation of crucifiction proofs on our shoulders ,as the one who asserts is the one who has to prove....

what is the prove for crucifiction?

some writings by some men...


crucifiction (and the other NT claims)stands or falls on the trustworthy of the gospel writers and the consistency,inerrancy of their narratives...


What is the Quranic opinion of such writers?


1- They followed a form of the conjecture after the sudden absence of Jesus from the scene

4:157 they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not.

Have they erred? Are they to be blamed?
absolutely not

If they lived and died believing that the life of their teacher terminted that way....

If they taught such misinformation to their seed and generation after generation .. there is none to blame them ,and there is nothing that would bother God for a minute of their continuous believe of such trivial thing...


The pain begins when such writers did the following:

Holy Quran 6:93 Who can be more wicked than one who inventeth a lie against Allah, or saith, "I have received inspiration," when he hath received none.

Holy Quran Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands, and then say: "This is from God," to traffic with it for miserable price! - Woe to them for what their hands do write, and for the gain they make thereby.


Holy Quran 5:41 O Messenger. let not those grieve thee, who race each other into unbelief: (whether it be) among those who say "We believe" with their lips but whose hearts have no faith; or it be among the Jews,- men who will listen to any lie,- will listen even to others who have never so much as come to thee. They change the words from their (right) times and places.


they claimed inspiration and made the wild claim that the death of Jesus has significance with regard to salvation...


The best methodology to refute the crucifiction narratives is the Quranic one:

1- The narratives is based on conjectures, clues?
the contradictions therin.

http://www.theskepticalreview.com/tsrmag/2maze92.html

2- The narrators themselves are untrustworthy as they clearly used to change the words from their (right) times and places,clues?

http://oll.libertyfund.org/?option=...itle=1083&chapter=19294&layout=html&Itemid=27

Any christian who have a word to rebut such material,just join me in such thread.

http://www.islamicboard.com/clarifications-about-islam/134289668-injil-6.html

Still we need after all that a non Quranic swoon or substitution theory, or NT reference that Jesus didnt die on the cross to negate the crucifiction?

I dont think so...

simply the proofs that the gospel writers and their writings are unworthy of trust,are overwhelming....

Though I criticized Dr Naiks methodology in such specific matter,but no doubt he is a great scholar and thinker....
just watch his debate with Dr William Cambell, to know what mentality the man has....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-v1TT_ExR2k&feature=related


A final word to the muslims ,before you convince the non-muslims be honest and convince yourself first....

and remember, if one reflects well,the Quran has always the answer....

peace for all

 

[Supreme]

And I dont see any place in the Quran where Jesus is trying to prove that he survived after being crucified !!

Jesus says stuff in the Quran? Where?

Anyway, this thread is about the Bible. Do you concede that the Bible does indeed say Jesus was crucified?

what is the prove for crucifiction?

some writings by some men...

What is proof of any historical event?

Some writings by some men...

The past exists through records and memories; seeing as there is no one alive today who was alive in the time of Jesus, that leaves only records about Him, or as you bluntly put it: 'some writings by some men'.

The verse (they killed him not, nor crucified him) would put the argument that Jesus survived after being on the cross ,to shame....

The fact that the Quran hasn't been brought into the discussion is because we are talking about the Bible, and also no Christian sees the Quran as authorative.

 

[Al-manar]

Jesus says stuff in the Quran? Where?

Where did I say that Jesus says stuff in the Quran,regarding the crucifiction?!!!

Anyway, this thread is about the Bible. Do you concede that the Bible does indeed say Jesus was crucified?

It seems you read my post in a hurry ...The Bible says not only Jesus died by means of crucifiction but also tries to make the cliam that his death has significance to the issue of salvation....

but Just because the Bible said it, doesn't make it necessarily so.

The fact that the Quran hasn't been brought into the discussion is because we are talking about the Bible, and also no Christian sees the Quran as authorative.

Once you read my previous post carefully ,you will soon realize why It was neccesary to quote the Quran....

The past exists through records and memories; seeing as there is no one alive today who was alive in the time of Jesus, that leaves only records about Him

Quoting from a work(especially the religious one) is fruitless unless you first prove the book is valid, truthful and reliable. I provided in the thread I refered to,some of evidence the Bible fails this test.

your input is welcome there,though.

Regards

 

[Supreme]

Quoting from a work(especially the religious one) is fruitless unless you first prove the book is valid, truthful and reliable

.

Indeed. And how does one determine the reliability of a source? Through provenance, audience and content of course.

provided in the thread I refered to,some of evidence the Bible fails this test.

I wouldn't say that. The Bible contains some of the most (in fact, the most) reliable accounts of Jesus, the prophets and the early church in existence. Without it, we certainly wouldn't have a clue about anything to do with the early Abrahamic religions.

 

[Predator]

I don't see any place in the Bible where Jesus is trying to prove that he survived the cross. On the contrary, it presents him as having died and been resurrected. That is an entirely different thing.

Jesus was not resurrected because Jesus saying in Luke 20:36 "They cannot die any more for they are equal angels" proves the resurrected will have to be first equal into angels (angelised) in qualities in order to be immortalized. However, Jesus was not equal unto angels (angelised) in qualities as Jesus never appeared and disappeared as angels do after he came out the tomb according to Acts 1:3 " He appeared to them over a period of forty days and spoke about the kingdom of God." Hence, Jesus was not immortalized and was not resurrected.

1) Jesus saying after he came out from the tomb to the disciples in Luke 24:39 "Behold my hands and my feet it is I myself" proves Jesus was physical, so Jesus was not resurrected because the Bible in 1 Corinthians 15:50 says "Physical bodies cannot inherit the kingdom of God" New Living Translation.

2) Jesus saying after he came out from the tomb to the disciples in Luke 24:39 "For a spirit has no flesh and bones" proves Jesus was not spirit, so Jesus body was not a body of the spirit, so his body was not spiritual, so Jesus was not resurrected because the resurrected body will be spiritual not physical as Jesus was physical after he rose according to 1 Corinthians 15:44 "They are buried as natural human bodies, but they are raised as spiritual bodies" (New Living Translation)

3) Jesus eating after he came out from the tomb according to Luke 24:43 then John 21:15 does not just prove Jesus was flesh , but also blood, so Jesus was not resurrected because "Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God" in 1 Corinthians 15:50.

 

[Grace Seeker]

I don't think you understand what resurrection means. It is not resuscitation and it is not reincarnation. It means that a person was actually dead, physically dead, and that this same person was brought back to life, physical life. Comments on the nature of what the eschatalogical resurrection of the dead at the end of time will be like (which is what the passages you quote are referring to) are not really relevant to discusing the nature of Jesus' resurrection.

 

[Predator]

I don't think you understand what resurrection means.

No it looks like you're one who cant understand . Resurrected bodies as per your bible are spiritual bodies with no flesh and bones.
Jesus was not resurrected ,therefore the disciple could hold him and Jesus could eat the food .Spiritual Bodies cannot do that.

Comments on the nature of what the eschatalogical resurrection of the dead at the end of time will be like (which is what the passages you quote are referring to) are not really relevant to discusing the nature of Jesus' resurrection

.

Yeah i was talking about the eschatalogical resturrection and Jesus' soul didnt depart from his body , so he didnt die and he was merely UNCONSCIOUS or clinically pronounced dead by error when he was actually alive just like these cases

Those persons who were certified dead, by medical men, and who subsequently came back to life; were not really DEAD, in the sense of DEATH AND RESURRECTION. The Doctors have erred and will continue to make mistakes; it cannot behelped. In actual fact,no man ever dies twiceand the same has happened to Jesus when he was expected to be dead , he is alive.

And according to your Bible ,No Man dies twice

Book of Hebrews 9:27. It says:
". . . it is ordained unto all men ONCE to die, and after that the
judgement

 

[mkh4JC]

No it looks like you're one who cant understand . Resurrected bodies as per your bible are spiritual bodies with no flesh and bones.
Jesus was not resurrected ,therefore the disciple could hold him and Jesus could eat the food .Spiritual Bodies cannot do that.

You misunderstand. Those who are resurrected in Christ can eat. In Revelation the marriage supper of the Lamb is mentioned:

Revelation 19:7-9
Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready. And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints. And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.

When the Bible says this:

It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. I Corinthians 15: 44.

It is talking about our natural, corrupted, fallen bodies that we presently have inheriting the kingdom. When the rapture of the Church happens, God will resurrect all those saints who died in Christ and the Old Testament saints and give them new, uncorrupted, spiritual bodies.

 

[Predator]

It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. I Corinthians 15: 44.

It is talking about our natural, corrupted, fallen bodies that we presently have inheriting the kingdom. When the rapture of the Church happens, God will resurrect all those saints who died in Christ and the Old Testament saints and give them new, uncorrupted, spiritual bodies

Jesus said told his disciple " A spirit has no flesh and bones as you see I have " so if Jesus was raised from the dead , he would be raised a spiritual body as per the verse you quoted and that DIDNT happen , he has flesh and bones , so he didnt die but survived

Another reason to prove that Jesus didnt die is that Jesus himself foretold that the miracle of Jesus would be that of Jonah

Matthew 12:40 >>

For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

The miracle of Jonah was that when we expected him to be dead in the belly of the whatever ( because of suffocation and heat , 3 days without food and water) , he came out alive and so similarly when Jesus was expected to be dead in the earth , he would comes out alive and fulfil the miracle

 

[mkh4JC]

Jesus said told his disciple " A spirit has no flesh and bones as you see I have " so if Jesus was raised from the dead , he would be raised a spiritual body as per the verse you quoted and that DIDNT happen , he has flesh and bones , so he didnt die but survived

Again, you misunderstand. When Jesus was referring to a spirit in that instance, he was talking about evil spirits, devils or demons, who don't have bodies, which is what the disciples mistook him for.

Matthew 12:40 >>
Another reason to prove that Jesus didnt die is that Jesus himself foretold that the miracle of Jesus would be that of Jonah The miracle of Jonah was that when we expected him to be dead in the belly of the whatever ( because of suffocation and heat , 3 days without food and water) , he came out alive and so similarly when Jesus was expected to be dead in the earth , he would comes out alive and fulfil the miracle

Jesus says he will be in the heart (center) of the earth for three days. This was the miracle he was referring to:

'Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.'

(Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended into the lower parts of the earth?

He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)' Ephesians 4: 8-10.

[19] "There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day. [20] At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores [21] and longing to eat what fell from the rich man's table. Even the dogs came and licked his sores.

[22] "The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham's side. The rich man also died and was buried. [23] In hell, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. [24] So he called to him, 'Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.'

[25] "But Abraham replied, 'Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony. [26] And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been fixed, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.'

[27] "He answered, 'Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my father's house, [28] for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.'

[29] "Abraham replied, 'They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.'

[30] " 'No, father Abraham,' he said, 'but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.'

[31] "He said to him, 'If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.' "

Luke 16: 19-31.

'And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,

And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.' Matthew 27: 52-53.

So then the miracle is that Jesus did indeed die, he descended into the center or lower parts of the earth (where hell is currently, and where paradise used to be), delivered those people who were the Lord's (ie the Old Testament saints) who were in paradise out of the center of the earth, and raised them to the third heaven, where God is.

 

[Predator]

Again, you misunderstand. When Jesus was referring to a spirit in that instance, he was talking about evil spirits, devils or demons, who don't have bodies, which is what the disciples mistook him for.

Jesus mentioned " a spirit" without mentioning whether its good or bad ,and a spirit means any spirit .

This was the miracle he was referring to:

He has clearly mentioned Jonah

Matthew 16:4
A wicked and adulterous generation looks for a miraculous sign, but none will be given it except the sign of Jonah."

And his miracle was when we expected him to die in whales belly , he was alive

Whatever verses you have quoted have no connection whatsoever to Jonah

 

[Ğħαrєєвαħ]

well well, Mr or miss Apple.
Your not doing much of goood job are you aye ?
Heres the real Verse "The Real verse!"

English Yusuf Ali: [4:157]
That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-
English Muhsin Khan: [4:157]
And because of their saying (in boast), "We killed Messiah 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), the Messenger of Allah," - but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but the resemblance of 'Iesa (Jesus) was put over another man (and they killed that man), and those who differ therein are full of doubts. They have no (certain) knowledge, they follow nothing but conjecture. For surely; they killed him not [i.e. 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary) 4:157 An Nissa

 

[Predator]

LOL ,as Gosammer said in the other thread we are going to have fun wiping the floor with you!

 

[mkh4JC]

Jesus mentioned " a spirit" without mentioning whether its good or bad ,and a spirit means any spirit .

It didn't mean any spirit. The disciples were affrighted because they thought it was an evil spirit. Evill spirits, or devils, or demons don't have bodies, that is how they possesses people.