Haiti devastated by massive earthquake

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A jumbo jet that carried 75 Indonesian voluntary workers, including paramedics and constructions engineers has flew to Haiti on Jan, 15. This plane also carried around 14 tons foods and medicines. Next aid will send soon.
 
Well, here goes me. I just found yesterday that the company I work for is going to be organizing some of the rebuilding efforts in Haiti, and I may have to go down there for a time. I spent yesterday looking over the situation as it currently stands and its pretty freaking horrible. :(
 
Well, here goes me. I just found yesterday that the company I work for is going to be organizing some of the rebuilding efforts in Haiti, and I may have to go down there for a time. I spent yesterday looking over the situation as it currently stands and its pretty freaking horrible. :(
Be happy bro that you are getting a chance to help them by yourselves personally :) .. i would love to do that :)
 
Very very sad indeed. And it is almost impossible to make sense of this - yet another disaster which has left thousands dead and thousands suffering beyond our comprehension. It really makes me question everything at times like this.

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is impotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Whence then is evil?

(Philosopher David Hume, 1776)

Hmm. Just a thought.
 
Very very sad indeed. And it is almost impossible to make sense of this - yet another disaster which has left thousands dead and thousands suffering beyond our comprehension. It really makes me question everything at times like this.

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is impotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Whence then is evil?

(Philosopher David Hume, 1776)

Hmm. Just a thought.
Karina, it's lovely to see you. I hope you are well. :)

I have listened to quite a number of radio discussions on this topic, and I have heard several people offer their view on how and why God would allow such a disaster to befall on his creation.

No response has completely satisfied me, and there is a part of me who is convinced that our human mind cannot possibly grasp God's meaning and will for all this ... and any of our human attempts to make sense of it will never get anywhere near the full truth.
Hopefully one day we will see the full picture and understand!

However (and I am not saying this lightly), there is something about human suffering that brings out in us compassion and a desire to help. We have the chance to be God's agents on earth by providing for those who are in need and suffer.
And people of all creeds, races and religions (or none) do!
I read today that people in the UK have donated over £23 million to the Disaster Emergency Committee alone - all intended for Haiti. That's an overwhelming response!
 
Wow. That is indeed a massive amount of money glo. Humans can be eachothers worst enemy, especially when in history you look at things like the Holocaust, and even today what's going on in Iraq and countries like Burma and North Korea where there are repressive, murderous governments in power. But it is always satisfying that humanity overcomes these shortcomings, and essentially shows how good it can be to itself and others in times of emegencies- that despite every life lost in this earthquake, ten more can hopefully be made better with food, shelter and security- that even in such horrific situations we can pull together and show each other what we are like to our fellow human beings. Winston Churchill once summarised it as:

A pessimist sees the difficulty in every oppurtunity. An optimist sees the oppurtunity in every difficulty.

I'd like to think in this case, we have taken the oppurtunity in this difficulty to help one another.
 
Just something this thread has gotten me thinking about. I hope I can write this in a way it will be understood as I intend it to be.


Disasters are one of the greatest gifts Allaah(swt) sends to us.


I am not saying disasters do not cause pain and suffering nor am I saying we should lessen our efforts to reduce the suffering brought about by a disaster. I am saying a disaster is a gift and as such we need to accept it as it is intended to be accepted. To gain the benefits of disaster we must accept it with an out pouring of generosity and compassion for others. We must understand that a disaster is nourishment for our development of the qualities that make us human.

Disasters are the food and medicine that feed and nourish our best human qualities. Like most things that are good for us, They often cause pain or taste bad, but they set healing and growth into motion and force us to acknowledge that all people can experience pain and suffering, we need to be reminded that we should not allow any pain and suffering to be the result of our actions or inactions.

Do all you can to help these people and keep in mind that while they need the material help, we all need the help of being able to give freely. Accept the gift of this disaster, and share what your heart has gained from it by giving all you can give.
 
One thing that makes me seriously wonder though is the sincerity of WESTERN "aid" in particular whenever these things happen in NON Western countries. I don't know why that every time some disaster happens back home in the West it is grossly neglected in comparison to if the victims of the disaster happen to be dark skinned, have bones through their noses and adopt extraneous religions and cultures. The San Francisco earthquake and especially Hurricane Katrina in American home territory was grossly neglected but when the Indonesian tsunami and the Pakistan earthquake struck, the Americans were VERY promptly coming to the "rescue" in droves, lowering out of fleets of helicopters like Chuck Norris, Rambo and the A-Team combined.

After the Indonesian tsunami I read in Indonesian newspapers that some of the Americans and British were found to be spying once they were permitted to enter on Indo soil, and they were also responsible for having whisked away scores of Indonesian children to be converted to Christian Zionism, and into adopting anti-Islamic attitudes. They were also being indoctrinated into adopting Western mentality and culture generally speaking. That's why I say that if someone really does feel the need to donate money to these places then at LEAST restrict it exclusively to Muslim charities. Keep WELL clear from the Western ones such as UNICEF, World Vision, Oxfam, Save the Children etc as these Zionist/communist/colonialist scoundrels always have all sorts of treacherous self-serving ulterior motives and strings attached.
 
One thing that makes me seriously wonder though is the sincerity of WESTERN "aid" in particular whenever these things happen in NON Western countries. I don't know why that every time some disaster happens back home in the West it is grossly neglected in comparison to if the victims of the disaster happen to be dark skinned, have bones through their noses and adopt extraneous religions and cultures. The San Francisco earthquake and especially Hurricane Katrina in American home territory was grossly neglected but when the Indonesian tsunami and the Pakistan earthquake struck, the Americans were VERY promptly coming to the "rescue" in droves, lowering out of fleets of helicopters like Chuck Norris, Rambo and the A-Team combined.

After the Indonesian tsunami I read in Indonesian newspapers that some of the Americans and British were found to be spying once they were permitted to enter on Indo soil, and they were also responsible for having whisked away scores of Indonesian children to be converted to Christian Zionism, and into adopting anti-Islamic attitudes. They were also being indoctrinated into adopting Western mentality and culture generally speaking. That's why I say that if someone really does feel the need to donate money to these places then at LEAST restrict it exclusively to Muslim charities. Keep WELL clear from the Western ones such as UNICEF, World Vision, Oxfam, Save the Children etc as these Zionist/communist/colonialist scoundrels always have all sorts of treacherous self-serving ulterior motives and strings attached.

Sadly, that happens.

It was done on a large scale when the was'i'chu rescued the Indian Children. The Ojibwa, Cree and Mohawk were almost exterminated in Canada when the "Child Welfare Program" rescued the Babies and removed them from their homes to be placed in white "civilized" homes
 
One thing that makes me seriously wonder though is the sincerity of WESTERN "aid" in particular whenever these things happen in NON Western countries. I don't know why that every time some disaster happens back home in the West it is grossly neglected in comparison to if the victims of the disaster happen to be dark skinned, have bones through their noses and adopt extraneous religions and cultures. The San Francisco earthquake and especially Hurricane Katrina in American home territory was grossly neglected but when the Indonesian tsunami and the Pakistan earthquake struck, the Americans were VERY promptly coming to the "rescue" in droves, lowering out of fleets of helicopters like Chuck Norris, Rambo and the A-Team combined.

I don't know about America, but the fuss made over Hurricane Katrina in the UK was immense.
 
Looks like there was another aftershock this morning..

PORT-AU-PRINCE, Haiti — The most powerful aftershock yet struck Haiti on Wednesday, shaking more rubble from damaged buildings and sending screaming people running into the streets eight days after the country's capital was devastated by an apocalyptic quake.

The extent of additional damage or injuries caused by the magnitude-6.1 temblor was not immediately clear, AND Prime Minister Jean-Max said the government was sending a plane and an overland team to check on the situation in Petit-Goave, the center of this morning's aftershock.

"We know they are going to need some help," he said.

SOURCE:http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/20/haiti-aftershock_n_429328.html

Sometimes the aftershocks can be worse than the main quake. The structures that survived the big quake are very weakened and while they withstood the main quake, they often collapse from smaller following quakes. Plus there is the frustration that much of the initial relief efforts are undone and the additional rubble causes an even greater hazard than existed before the aid came.

Earthquakes are the most frustrating of disasters. Immediate aid is needed and at the same time the incoming aid often causes added problems when the after shocks hit.

an earthquake brings home the fact of just how tiny and fragile us humans are.
 
Disasters are one of the greatest gifts Allaah(swt) sends to us.


I am not saying disasters do not cause pain and suffering nor am I saying we should lessen our efforts to reduce the suffering brought about by a disaster. I am saying a disaster is a gift and as such we need to accept it as it is intended to be accepted. To gain the benefits of disaster we must accept it with an out pouring of generosity and compassion for others. We must understand that a disaster is nourishment for our development of the qualities that make us human.
I understand what you are saying, Woodrow ... although I don't think I would be able to bring myself to tell those people who are suffering as we speak that the disaster which they are experiencing is a gift from God!
I fear they might find that hurtful and possibly patronising at this stage in their lives ...

But I have heard a couple of people from Haiti - one now living in the UK, the other in the US - saying a very similar thing: That Haiti has been such an impoverished country for so long, with poor housing, poor infrastructure, poor health provision, poor schooling; and that they hoped and prayed that with the international support and all the money which is poured into the country, Haiti could become a better place than it has ever been, with a better quality of life for the Haitian people.
That sounds quite amazing to me!
Haiti might just rise out of the ashes and become a better place!

Such is the power of human compassion - and yes, I believe that God has placed that ability to feel compassion for our fellow human beings and a desire to help where we can in our hearts!
 
I understand what you are saying, Woodrow ... although I don't think I would be able to bring myself to tell those people who are suffering as we speak that the disaster which they are experiencing is a gift from God!
I fear they might find that hurtful and possibly patronising at this stage in their lives ...

But I have heard a couple of people from Haiti - one now living in the UK, the other in the US - saying a very similar thing: That Haiti has been such an impoverished country for so long, with poor housing, poor infrastructure, poor health provision, poor schooling; and that they hoped and prayed that with the international support and all the money which is poured into the country, Haiti could become a better place than it has ever been, with a better quality of life for the Haitian people.
That sounds quite amazing to me!
Haiti might just rise out of the ashes and become a better place!

Such is the power of human compassion - and yes, I believe that God has placed that ability to feel compassion for our fellow human beings and a desire to help where we can in our hearts!

Peace Glo,

I do agree that would not be the proper thing to say to those who are living in Haiti at this moment. But, in the future it is very hopeful they will see it as a gift that lifted them out of poverty. Inshallah

People who are in pain and suffering, need to first have their pains, hunger and fears removed before they can concentrate on anything except survival
 
It depends how one views "poverty". By the West's standards "poverty" and a "developing country" is anything that has not yet been Occidentalized and turned into a fascist heavily industrialized hellhole (a so-called "developed country"). "Poverty" by the West's standards is also anyone who doesn't have profligate materialistic wealth. One must remember that these "poverty stricken" countries have always BEEN living like that, they are earthy primitive cultures and I see nothing wrong with that as a lifestyle. They are tropical paradises and they simply don't need all the materialism, fascism and mod-cons from the West to make them feel "happier". Besides, I was looking at some media footage yesterday and was shocked to see that most citizens looked quite well off. Most looked well fed and had far better quality clothing on than I wear. They also had lots of flash cars on the streets, much better than MY rust bucket of a heap! So there's definitely a lot of exaggerated propaganda that they are a "poverty stricken" country.
 
Peace Glo,

I do agree that would not be the proper thing to say to those who are living in Haiti at this moment. But, in the future it is very hopeful they will see it as a gift that lifted them out of poverty. Inshallah

People who are in pain and suffering, need to first have their pains, hunger and fears removed before they can concentrate on anything except survival

you can find here are the pictures of acheh after the tsunami :statisfie

http://www.flickr.com/photos/roel_en_roel

This is the picture comparison after tsunami

LINK
 
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