US want do friendship with Taliban!

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Are they the same ones who wanted to harbor Al Qaeda. which was undertaking attacks on the country that invaded them? Then yes, they are the bad ones.

Also, a lot of the Taliban aren't even Afghan, believe it or not. They have Pakistanis, Arabs, Uighurs- heck, I heard some Chechnyans were in there believe it or not. So it actually wasn't their country that was invaded at all- if anything, they're just as much invaders as the West!
 
Well, the proponents of this engagement policy with the Taliban claim that those lower-ranking fighters in the movement aren't there because of ideological affiliation, but because its the only way to earn a living and senior figures in the Taliban are happy to return the favour by granting them stipends for their military services.

Im not sure if all that is just coalition propaganda or if there's actually substance to that arguement, but nothing else seems to be bringing the situation under control. Let's face it, beyond the limits of Kabul, the federal government totally lacks any effective control of the situation and the coalition cannot stay there interminably. Something has to give at some stage. Either Karzai and his lackeys get overthrown by the Taliban, or their impoverished fighters abscond in droves at the thought of receiving cash payments and employment opportunities.
 
Are they the same ones who wanted to harbor Al Qaeda. which was undertaking attacks on the country that invaded them? Then yes, they are the bad ones.
The real problem is that the U.S. was attacking Muslims long before "Al Qaida" showed up. While I don't support attacks on civilians, I would certainly support any group attacking western government and military institutions that are hostile towards Muslim countries.
 
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Also, a lot of the Taliban aren't even Afghan, believe it or not. They have Pakistanis, Arabs, Uighurs- heck, I heard some Chechnyans were in there believe it or not. So it actually wasn't their country that was invaded at all- if anything, they're just as much invaders as the West!

This is a good point. Many Afghans just want to be left alone. There is too much foreign meddling in Afghan fairs and this has been the case for a very long time. The pakistanis, arabs, etc. are just as meddlesome as NATO.
 
Hardly. Afghanistan was, and is, a pinprick prepared with both resources committed to and lives lost in Vietnam and the US was still a superpower after that.

Sadly you are correct. I say sadly because it is an example of just how calloused we have become over war loses. When I look at the USA war loses that occurred in my lifetime, the cost of Iraq and Afghanistan has been insignificant in terms of American cost. The first day of the Normandy Landing in WW2 was considerably more expensive than the total cost for both Iraq and Afghanistan has been to date. Vietnam has been our most costly recent conflict, yet it was negligible when compared to our own civil war of 1860-1865.

While even the loss of one life is too high of a price, the cost of Iraq and Afghanistan is probably the least expensive conflict the USA has ever been involved in.

Sadly, because we have become calloused we have trouble in understanding that while it has been low budget in terms of military cost, it may be the most expensive in terms of innocent lives lost.

Roughly 5000 USA troops have been killed in ten years of Afghanistan during this same time period at least 400,000 Americans were killed in automobile accidents in the USA. If Just 10% of them were American Soldiers that means 40,000 soldiers died in car accidents during those 10 years, or another way is to say an American soldier is 8 times more likely to be killed in a Car Accident in the USA than to be killed in combat in Afghanistan. A US Serviceman is safer in Afghanistan than on the roads of America.

I don't think enough Americans are aware of how many innocent lives Afghanistan has cost, because it's price has been very minute in terms of the US military budget and past costs of war.

The majority of Americans have not been affected by Afghanistan and the majority do not personally know even one person who has died in Afghanistan. Afghanistan has not had any personal impact on most Americans.
 
They NEVER fight these wars to win... Vietnam was not ment to be won either.... Ppl in control of these wars just want these to linger-on because they make profit out of these, while securing israel as much as possible, at the same time... The day war stops their profits will fall...

With all might of US it was not difficult to defeat iraq in 1st gulf war in 30 min(as they claimed), but they slowed it down to make the most out of Kuwait & Saudi Arabia in addition to tax money of Americans.... same with Afghanistan & 2nd gulf war.... Same with letting usama loose under their eyes, so they would have an ongoing excuse to keep going with so-called war...


The other thing is that so-called negotiations with taliban are in fact cover name for buying/recruiting so-called-taliban a.k.a fenatics to work for them against Pak-istan...

When Pak govt. was doing peace deals with taliban, US was enraged...
 
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The real problem is that the U.S. was attacking Muslims long before "Al Qaida" showed up. While I don't support attacks on civilians, I would certainly support any group attacking western government and military institutions that are hostile towards Muslim countries.

How was it showing hostility to Muslims? The USA had a rather good relationship with the Muslim world until 9/11, and the USA played a significant role in helping the Mujahadeen to victory against the Soviets in Afghanistan.

This is a good point. Many Afghans just want to be left alone. There is too much foreign meddling in Afghan fairs and this has been the case for a very long time. The pakistanis, arabs, etc. are just as meddlesome as NATO.

Indeed. For such a barren and poor land, Afghanistan has been raped by foreign armies over the years because of her East-West geographical positions and the strategic importance this brings.
 
Also, a lot of the Taliban aren't even Afghan, believe it or not. They have Pakistanis, Arabs, Uighurs- heck, I heard some Chechnyans were in there believe it or not. So it actually wasn't their country that was invaded at all- if anything, they're just as much invaders as the West!

good excuse, just shows how many 'brain cells' you have
 
Well, I'd suppose good. But if the Taliban used their initiative, if they actually had two brain cells to rub together, they'd disband, surrender, wait for the NATO forces to leave and then regroup and engage in civil war. I don't fancy their chances even then, but it's unlikely the West will be bothered to become involved again. Perhaps Iran might lend the anti Taliban forces in Afghanistan 'a hand'.

It doesn't work like that, there isn't any surrender in jihad, its obligatory to fight till death or till its over. Anyone coming into our lands with an army and oppressing our people gets fought, doesn't matter what the chances are, look at the chances of your own armies right now, all you seem to hear about is bodies piling up and nothing being acheived.
 
good excuse, just shows how many 'brain cells' you have

Oh yes, I stated researched fact! What a stupid thing to do!

It doesn't work like that, there isn't any surrender in jihad, its obligatory to fight till death or till its over. Anyone coming into our lands with an army and oppressing our people gets fought, doesn't matter what the chances are, look at the chances of your own armies right now, all you seem to hear about is bodies piling up and nothing being acheived.

I know it's never going to happen, I was suggesting what if. The Taliban aren't educated, because if they were educated, they wouldn't be Taliban in the first place. They're too stupid to ever surrender.
 
I know it's never going to happen, I was suggesting what if. The Taliban aren't educated, because if they were educated, they wouldn't be Taliban in the first place. They're too stupid to ever surrender.

You missed the point again, they're not meant to surrender or are you saying our beliefs are 'stupid'
 
You got to give some respect to anyone who fights for what they believe in. Wether or not you , I or anyone else agrees or disagrees they are right or wrong, we are not there. All we hear is the media's rendition of events that happen abroad. I have respect for anyone, who fight's justly for a cause they believe is correct. On the other hand you have some who are just taught and or forced to fight without even knowing what for:hmm: That's the sad part.

God be with them.Amen
 
afghanistan is sitting on a goldmine, of course they want their friendship...

friendship comes IDF style of course:

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You missed the point again, they're not meant to surrender or are you saying our beliefs are 'stupid'

You're right. The Afghans are entitled to fight against the oppressors which includes the Taliban themselves who are largely foreign x). The Taliban are Pakistani and Arab puppets.
 
Muslims don't have nationalities..the only thing largely foreign are the defecates dropped by the U.S and its allies to reek havoc and steal afghanistan's natural resources.

Also, natural resources belong to all Muslims, not some elected officials or a royal family. They should go immediately to beyt al'mal and be available to every needy Muslim as is decreed religiously.. of course we all know when the scum of the earth will sink their tentacles there as they have every where else and feign being good.
 
Muslims don't have nationalities..the only thing largely foreign are the defecates dropped by the U.S and its allies to reek havoc and steal afghanistan's natural resources.

Also, natural resources belong to all Muslims, not some elected officials or a royal family. They should go immediately to beyt al'mal and be available to every needy Muslim as is decreed religiously.. of course we all know when the scum of the earth will sink their tentacles there as they have every where else and feign being good.

Ideally there would be no racial boundaries or ethnic boundaries or nationalistic boundaries between Muslims. A quick look at their passports would say otherwise, unfortunate as it may be. Nevertheless, Afghanistan's history is full of foreign occupation and the Taliban are just as bad as the NATO forces. Oppression is oppression even if it is your 'Muslim brothers' who are the oppressors.
 
Ideally there would be no racial boundaries or ethnic boundaries or nationalistic boundaries between Muslims. A quick look at their passports would say otherwise, unfortunate as it may be. Nevertheless, Afghanistan's history is full of foreign occupation and the Taliban are just as bad as the NATO forces. Oppression is oppression even if it is your 'Muslim brothers' who are the oppressors.

Given that you don't know much about the taliban save what your media feeds you, I'd refrain from passing freely the confident labels.
The whole reason the Muslim world is dismantled to begin with, is because of the benevolent west.. Now even if the taliban were the evil monsters they are portrayed to be, I am sure the locals can handle them personally.. kindly take your troops and interests out of the entire Muslim world and keep your good will and cheer toward man internally. You have miserable folks right in your backyard that need help.. don't waste your effort, your breath or the ink of your pen advocating for folks who don't want you. As we all know the reasons that yours are there are less than honorable!

all the best
 
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Given that you don't know much about the taliban save what your media feeds you, I'd refrain from passing freely the confident labels.
The whole reason the Muslim world is dismantled to begin with, is because of the benevolent west.. Now even if the taliban were the evil monsters they are portrayed to be, I am sure the locals can handle them personally.. kindly take your troops and interests out of the entire Muslim world and keep your good will and cheer toward man internally. You have miserable folks right in your backyard that need help.. don't waste your effort, your breath or the ink of your pen advocating for folks who don't want you. As we all know the reasons that you are there are less than honorable!

all the best

The Taliban were oppressors. You can take a look at Afghan media prior to the invasion if you'd like but most Taliban sympathizers don't actually..know anything of the Taliban except 'they're Muslim so I must support them over the evil Ferangi!". Of course I do agree with you that the Invasion by the West is solely for the West's benefits and not the Afghans. It's the same as the Cold War where Afghanistan was used by the West to stop Soviet expansion. And yes, a lot of why the Muslim world, with the exception of a few places, is in ruin is because of the West (Muslims don't know how to get along themselves so that didn't help much even since the time of the Fatimids or even prior, the Ummayads). The West out competed the Islamic countries. Capitalism = buy everyone out. But at the very least, globalization is going to take the Muslim out of the gutter, albeit, without their culture intact. But that's just speculation
 
You missed the point again, they're not meant to surrender or are you saying our beliefs are 'stupid'

No, I was calling the Taliban stupid. Obviously, this isn't true for all the Taliban insurgents, but these people are fighting because they were never educated and don't have good jobs in the first place, and the Taliban pays rather well. Add to that the poverty and general lawlessness of Afghanistan, you're in business, you can go about killing and maiming left, right and center for money whilst using ideals and beliefs as an excuse.

Muslims don't have nationalities..the only thing largely foreign are the defecates dropped by the U.S and its allies to reek havoc and steal afghanistan's natural resources.
Well, as long as the people torturing Afghanis, stealing from Afghanis, occupying Afghanis, blowing up Afghani civilians and indiscriminantly killing Afghanis are Muslims.

Well, why didn't you say so? It makes oh so much more moral now!
 
How was it showing hostility to Muslims? The USA had a rather good relationship with the Muslim world until 9/11, and the USA played a significant role in helping the Mujahadeen to victory against the Soviets in Afghanistan.
Dear Supreme,

May I ask what the name is of the galaxy you live in? It seems that we live in separate galaxies :hmm:

The U.S. has been torturing Muslim countries for decades. Shall I give just two examples? First, they support and protect Israel, the brutal occupying power in the Middle East which is inflicting unimaginable suffering and death on Muslims. The U.S. has been torturing Iran since 1953. Toppling their regime, installing puppet regimes, placing sanctions, threatening with invasion etc. If you don't submit to total U.S. domination, you will be considered an enemy and have to deal with threats, brutal sanctions, secret CIA operations, invasions and much more.

What they have done in Iraq is even worse. The sanctions alone killed over half a million people (at least). Don't you think this is a very serious act of hostility? Saddam was their best friend when this relationship served their interests. There is so much more to say. Please read "Killing Hope" by William Blum, and "Hegemony or Survival - America's quest for global dominance" by Noam Chomsky.
 
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