Is depression caused by a problem with the brain or is it spiritually related?

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its works on trust there, after you eaten , you just go up to the counter and tell em what you eaten, they dont even check up lol.
 
^ lol hmm I'm gonna go there this evening with my mum for take out ;D what do you recommend I get? I've never been there before? :p
 
mashallah taking your mum. ive only had the chicken steak, £4.50 lol

i went with friend last time , and ordered the wrong thing, dont think he was happy paying for £4.50 ,
 
Wa7abiScientist said:
I think the Hippie movement was quite different. These guys were into drugs and what not and the rock movement also coincides with their emergence. Jimmy Hendrix?

I am talking about zuhd. Muslim sufis (good ones) have been practicing this for centuries in Persia, India, and probably Arabia too.

Even Ibn Taymiyya (ra) has spent a life which is very similar to that of a recluse. He did not marry. All of his energies were devoted to Allah and not to his body or nafs. He, just like the Prophet, participated in worldly activities but only those which were related to Allah's deen. Neither I nor Alpha are claiming that we give up on these responsibilities which we have towards Allah (swt). If you read the letter of Ibn Taymiyya to his mother, he did not even have the opportunity to meet his mom as he was traveling, not for his pleasure, but for Allah's deen. That is the recluse we are talking about. This recluse is very different from Christian monk who encloses himself in monastery and completely breaks off from the world. A Jain also in his old age completely breaks off from world including eating till he dies of starvation. We are not saying a Muslim "recluse" is like that.
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The hippy movement that followed the Beat Generation (beatniks) was more into self indulgence and drugs.

The beatniks were drop outs from society and escape from worldly thoughts. a time of Zen, nonsensical poetry, but it did open the doors that brought about the hippies (flower children)

For that reason I said we were very selfish and ran from responsibility. It was a short term life style (about 1955-1960), most of us only followed it for a few months and most of the others were driven out or woke up with the coming of the hippies.

Looking back it was a form of mass depression.
 
nightstar said:
mashallah taking your mum. ive only had the chicken steak, £4.50 lol

i went with friend last time , and ordered the wrong thing, dont think he was happy paying for £4.50 ,
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lol yeah she's gonna wait in the car while I go in and get it ;D lol hmm I'll check it out, £4.50 is pricey for a single meal,

I'm used to 99p chicken and chips LOL and the jobs a good un. ;D
 
yeah its steak thats why it expensive, but there a lot of other stuff there
 
nightstar said:
yeah its steak thats why it expensive, but there a lot of other stuff there
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I had it brother with rice, it was very nice alhamdulilah especially the rice, but the chicken wasn't as nice as I anticipated. I was hoping it would be juicy but it was dry :|
 
squiggle said:
not yet brother lol, we've just covered RIP and RIP V1, RIP is a routing protocol that determines the best path by the number of hops I think, I could be wrong.

but that doesn't neccessarily mean it's the best routing protocol because the number of hops to the destination isn't a 100% accurate way of finding the quickest way to the destination. It isn't the best "metric" yay I remembered the geeky word my teacher used :)

For example the connection speed of the interfaces also plays an important role, you could have 1 path that is only 2 hops to the destination and another path that is 4 hops to the destination, however the 4hops path might be quicker than the two hops path because it could have a faster connection speed on the interfaces like T1 and the other interfaces with less hops could have 56k connection speed.

RIP also broadcasts route information to other routers if you allow it to,

hmm that's all I remember, do you know if what I said above is correct bro? :p I could be totally wrong :(

also why did they release RIP Version 1 again? I know it's an updated version of RIP but what was the reason they released it?

is it to do with class 4 ip addresses or something? :p we should make our own cisco thread.
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you are right...rip send full updates periodically...and that wastes bandwith..also, it takes the shortest path being oblivious to the link speed...rather stupid..routing protocols like OSPF are more intelligent and run algorithms likes SPF against their link stat database(info the router has gather about its neighbours) to find the best path to each subnets. but its not actually difficult...u will learn...RIP version one was the first version if im not wrong..then there was the better RIP V2..RIP V1 sends broadcasts updates E.G 255.255.255.255 but RIP V2 saves bandwidth by using multicast e.g 224.0.0.9....lol..yes! we should make our own Cisco thread...
 
Good question OP

It can be a combination of both, or one or the other. Sometimes a chemical imbalance is the issue for some people. For others it can be purely spiritual. At one point in my life I was descending into depression. What saved me was Islam alhamdullah and my father who had at that time been a recent practitioner though we were a "muslim" family. When my father began to pray and follow the religious guidelines of Islam, he changed immensely into a model father and husband. He then helped guide me and I reached a level of happiness I had not known before.
 
Depression can be caused by a wide range of issues:
- Chemical imbalance in the brain
- Stress
- Genetics

It is not somethings that can be cured by listening to the right music.
 
Alpha Dude said:
Depressed people can turn their resigned state to their advantage. They have a 'stuff it' mentality that would probably prevent them from having long term goals. In that way, it will be easier for them to live each day as though it were their last (as we have been commanded).

Now, look at the facts. This guy has become completely changed such that he doesn't even have the desire to indulge in major sins:
1. No desire to drink.
2. No desire to fornicate.
3. No desire to gamble.

This world is meaningless to him. 'Live as though you are a traveller'.. how is that possible if you love this world too much?

Health problem my a$$. This is a GOOD state to be in. Now all that needs to be done is to CHANNEL this condition into being motivated toward deen. A good pschyo would try and convince this guy to chase after the world again just so that he can feel alive and happy again. o_O
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One of the first posts of yours I have read that I disagree with.
There is a difference between being a teenager and being depressed. The emo attitude you are describing is just lack of desire. If depressed people had only lack of desire then why would they want to kill themselves?
A good psych would try to address there feelings of despair, not make them chase anything. The state they are in is an unhappy one for themselves and those around them. If it brings no joy how can it be good? If they cannot function in life then what makes you think they can channel their energy into deen?
 
I don't think most of you know what you are talking about. To many of you thinks depression is about lack of iman. Thats just some cases. You could a have a good iman and still be affected by depression.

I allow me to give examples


1) Realize depression can have many different triggers.

Depression triggered by mother giving birth to baby
Depression triggered by winter season
Depression triggered by lack of religion
Depression triggered from loss of a loved one
Depression trigged by stress and environment or heritary
.
.
.
etc

2) Realize there are many different forms of depressions.

Depression triggered by mother giving birth to baby = might cause Postpartum depression
Depression triggered by winter season, less sunlight = might cause Winter Seasonal Affective Disorder
Depression triggered by lack of religion = might cause Low Iman,
Depression triggered from loss of a loved one = might cause Mild, Medium or Major depression
Depression trigged by stress and environment or heritary = might cause Bipolar Disoder

EtC

3) Realize the are many different treatments.
antidepressant medication
psychotherapy
counselling
excersize
light therapy
Eating right
vitaimins
prayer
 
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Zulekha said:
I don't think most of you know what you are talking about. To many of you thinks depression is about lack of iman. Thats just some cases. You could a have a good iman and still be affected by depression.

I allow me to give examples


1) Realize depression can have many different triggers.

Depression triggered by mother giving birth to baby
Depression triggered by winter season
Depression triggered by lack of religion
Depression triggered from loss of a loved one
Depression trigged by stress and environment or heritary
.
.
.
etc

2) Realize there are many different forms of depressions.

Depression triggered by mother giving birth to baby = might cause Postpartum depression
Depression triggered by winter season, less sunlight = might cause Winter Seasonal Affective Disorder
Depression triggered by lack of religion = might cause Low Iman,
Depression triggered from loss of a loved one = might cause Mild, Medium or Major depression
Depression trigged by stress and environment or heritary = might cause Bipolar Disoder

EtC

3) Realize the are many different treatments.
antidepressant medication
psychotherapy
counselling
excersize
light therapy
Eating right
vitaimins
prayer
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Best answer.. I have S.A.D. and I hate it. That's why I plan on moving south to California right after im done with University here (Toronto, Canada). The weather in California is perfect for me.
 
^ the doctor says i have a mood disorder = Bipolar disorder.

I really didn't like reading this thread. it makes me sad so many people focus so much on one trigger and one type of depression = Lack of iman

Lets focus on others please

i'll keep this short. This is a "chemical imbalance" in the brain. You need to treat this as a injury. Some injuries are more serious then others. Different injuries may need different treatments.

I'm pretty sure I know my trigger and it's not a lack of iman. Thank you all for this thread. I'll try avoid talking to muslims about my struggle. Well at least the majority.
 
SMA89 said:
Best answer.. I have S.A.D. and I hate it. That's why I plan on moving south to California right after im done with University here (Toronto, Canada). The weather in California is perfect for me.
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Don't suppose you know anywhere that has long days all year round? I have the same S.A.D it comes from the short days.
 

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