Schools allowed to ban face veils

[VizierX]

and wearing a ridiculous veil as opposed to school uniform is beyond the pale.

I don't approve of the veil in schools but that is just your subjective opinion. Please try to keep your bigotry in check.

 

[Supreme]

You're coming to an Islamic forum and then ridiculing our ways.

This is actually the only thing in Islam I dislike. My liberal frame of mind refuses to accept such overt discrimination.

At any rate, it's not ridiculous. People these days treat intercourse like going to the bathroom. Would you rather they wear the tattered, sagged, and exposing garments people wear these days? They dress in such a manner that it appeals the opposite gender, and then they complain of rape.

I don't want to get into a discussion about it now, but no one deserves to be raped. People can appeal to the opposite gender as much as they like, that isn't an excuse ot grounds for rape, never has been, never will be. This isn't a dichotomy of revealing lingerie vs the Niqab- there is MUCH ground to be covered, and indeed is being covered, between those extremes. Any extreme is ridiculous, I agree that some outifts out today are just as female *objectifying* as the Niqab, and I am disappointed that such outfits are deemed somehow less sexist that the Niqab, when they are both incredibly sexist.

I personally feel the school can ONLY ask the student to take it off in the CLASSROOM.

Again, it bubbles down to whether the school is secular or not. Secular schools do not want to be associated with religion, so don't be surprised if garments such as the Niqab, interpreted by many as sign of division and refusal of cultural assimilation, do not make it into the acceptable school uniform band.

 

[Beardo]

This is actually the only thing in Islam I dislike. My liberal frame of mind refuses to accept such overt discrimination.

I don't want to get into a discussion about it now, but no one deserves to be raped. People can appeal to the opposite gender as much as they like, that isn't an excuse ot grounds for rape, never has been, never will be. This isn't a dichotomy of revealing lingerie vs the Niqab- there is MUCH ground to be covered, and indeed is being covered, between those extremes. Any extreme is ridiculous, I agree that some outifts out today are just as female *objectifying* as the Niqab, and I am disappointed that such outfits are deemed somehow less sexist that the Niqab, when they are both incredibly sexist.

Again, it bubbles down to whether the school is secular or not. Secular schools do not want to be associated with religion, so don't be surprised if garments such as the Niqab, interpreted by many as sign of division and refusal of cultural assimilation, do not make it into the acceptable school uniform band.

Thing about you, even though I do see you bash Islam about quite often... I admire the fact that you know the terminologies, such as Niqaab etc.

No one is FORCED to wear the Niqaab. And if they are, it's indeed a sad state of affairs. (Niqaab, NOT Hijaab)

Niqaab is not discrimination. It's self-respect and modesty. I know you've probably heard this before, and sick of hearing it again. But that's the key point to understand. I don't know why people cannot respect the Niqaabis for the courage they have. In this day and age to wear Niqaab is indeed a difficult feat.

Even you must admit, wearing a veil is tough. They do it because their faith is at a higher level. It's not necessary they do it for their husbands.

 

[Froggy]

Islam isnt right wing, just because there are a few aspects in which right wingers agree on, such as homosexuality, and capital punishment, doesnt mean were the same.

Islam is all for an open multi-cultural society, and in Islam theres nothing to do with race, which is the complete opposite of right wingers who are mainly racists, hate mixing with other cultures and races, and only interested in their own culture and race. Islam is all about helping each other out, even if the other is a none-Muslim, for right wingers, its helping the other man out, if he happens to be from your race, culture, and country!!!!!!!!!!!

Islamic state isn't exactly multicultural and egalitarian. From my impression it does everything Muslims don't come in touch with what is perceived as negative influence on the state faith. And also minorities don't have the rights Muslims in often right-wing-governed Europe do.
Unless of course by right wing you mean neo-nazis in which case you're right, Islamic state is better.

 

[Froggy]

Even you must admit, wearing a veil is tough. They do it because their faith is at a higher level. It's not necessary they do it for their husbands.

It's about schools, few schoolgirls will have been married already ...
I is tough and one should respect women fr wearing it provided it is their own choice based on strong imaan, however, as Supreme said already, the niqaab is associated with division and refusal of cultural assimilation and also causes communation problems and is interpreted by some as a safety risk, therefre secualar and non-muslim schoolsshould be allowed to ban them in their premices, including at parental meetings and similar occasions.

 

[Beardo]

It's about schools, few schoolgirls will have been married already ...
I is tough and one should respect women fr wearing it provided it is their own choice based on strong imaan, however, as Supreme said already, the niqaab is associated with division and refusal of cultural assimilation and also causes communation problems and is interpreted by some as a safety risk, therefre secualar and non-muslim schoolsshould be allowed to ban them in their premices, including at parental meetings and similar occasions.

I guess that can be accepted. It's better than banning it all together anyway. We already mentioned that one cannot blame if they ask you to take it off in the classroom specifically.

 

[Supreme]

Thing about you, even though I do see you bash Islam about quite often... I admire the fact that you know the terminologies, such as Niqaab etc.

I seldom bash Islam. Questioning and bashing are not synonymous. I come to every discussion with an open mind, and obviously I have an opinion on the matter already, but if you feel I'm *bashing* Islam (which I won't be, but still, if you think I am) feel free to change my mind.

No one is FORCED to wear the Niqaab. And if they are, it's indeed a sad state of affairs. (Niqaab, NOT Hijaab)

Oh, I agree that in Britain, the general majority of Niqaabis chose to wear it of their own free will, hence why almost all Muslim women I encounter don't wear it.

Niqaab is not discrimination. It's self-respect and modesty

What could be more immodest than choosing to dress in a way that automatically makes you stand out? Modesty is the opposite of being noticed in a crows because of what you look like...

I know you've probably heard this before, and sick of hearing it again. But that's the key point to understand. I don't know why people cannot respect the Niqaabis for the courage they have. In this day and age to wear Niqaab is indeed a difficult feat.

It's not difficult in the strict sense of the word. Working a job that pays peanuts whilst simultaneously trying to pass chemistry A2 is difficult. It is also not courageous. As a matter of fact, seeing as according to you, more *immodest* forms of clothing make the wearer a rape magnet, it is the complete opposite of courageous. The real courage lies in the women who, according to you, brave rape they're so apparantly susceptible to every time they step out the door because of their revealing clothing. It doesn't really take a lot of courage to wear a garment in a country that allows you to do so. All you'll really get is a few looks or a bad comment at worse. How many 'courageous' Niqaabis have been killed for wearing a Niqaab as of late again?

 

[Uthman]

Supreme, please. You're entitled to your views but calling the veil 'ridiculous' and 'sexist' constitutes a direct attack against a completely orthodox Islamic practise. And that constitutes a violation of forum rule #16.

Please be more careful about the way you express your views from now on.