Islam and Slavery

[جوري]

Islam abolished alcohol in a single generation, yet slavery and slave trade remained widespread until the 19th century. Why is that?

It is easier to give up smoking than your wife!

 

[Froggy]

It is easier to give up smoking than your wife!

Still, if what aamirsab is saying is true, slavery in the Muslim world would have been abolished in a century or two, but it lasted for over a millennium.

 

[aamirsaab]

Islam abolished alcohol in a single generation, yet slavery and slave trade remained widespread until the 19th century. Why is that?

Slavery and alcohol are two different things - the former being a type of global trade and the latter being an addictive intoxicant.

To modernise the example, try eliminating interest in the UK. It's going to take some time whatever method you do.

Note: the important thing isn't how long it takes to prohibit something. Better to take your time and eliminate it totally, than to rush it and **** it all up.

 

[جوري]

Still, if what aamirsab is saying is true, slavery in the Muslim world would have been abolished in a century or two, but it lasted for over a millennium.

How would you know how long it should take? You didn't have slavery in the west not 60 years ago?
did you not have a black woman in jail for failure to give up her seat to a white man?

funny stuff!

 

[Froggy]

How would you know how long it should take? You didn't have slavery in the west not 60 years ago?
did you not have a black woman in jail for failure to give up her seat to a white man?

funny stuff!

Well I don't but if the aim of a religion was to stop slavery and said religion is perfect in its methods it shouldnt have taken a millenium and it would have lasted longer if Europe didn't abolish slavery and fought for the abolition elswehere.
No, I believe my people never had slaves, they were slaves actually, even the demonym is derived from latin for slave.

 

[جوري]

Well I don't but if the aim of a religion was to stop slavery and said religion is perfect in its methods it shouldnt have taken a millenium and it would have lasted longer if Europe didn't abolish slavery and fought for the abolition elswehere.
No, I believe my people never had slaves, they were slaves actually, even the demonym is derived from latin for slave.

Religious doctrines are instituted by men, no matter how perfect will be subject to human error.. I find that whole Europe abolishing and fighting to abolish elsewhere kind of funny.. I think there are multiple forms of subjugation, slavery and racism, not letting a scarved school girl on a bus is certainly one of them. So I'd really let go of that if you wanted to let your case have some credence.

Slavery was never a 'color' race thing in Islam.. as evidenced:

“And We have not sent you (O Muhammad) except as a bearer of glad tidings and a Warner to all mankind, but most of people know not.” (Quran 34:28)
Bilal the Abyssinian

One of the first to accept Islam was an Abyssinian slave named Bilal. Traditionally, black Africans were a lowly people in the sight of Arabs who thought them to be of little use beyond entertainment and slavery. When Bilal embraced Islam, his pagan master had him brutally tortured in the scorching desert heat until Abu Bakr, the Prophet’s closest friend, rescued him by buying his freedom.
The Prophet appointed Bilal to call the believers to prayer. The athan heard from minarets in every corner of the world since, echoes the exact same words recited by Bilal. Thus, a onetime lowly slave won a unique honor as Islam’s first muezzin.
“And indeed We have honored the Children of Adam...” (Quran 17:70)
Western romantics hail ancient Greece as being the birthplace of democracy.[4] The reality was that, as slaves and women, the vast majority of Athenians were denied the right to elect their rulers. Yet, Islam ordained that a slave could himself be ruler! The Prophet ordered:
“Obey your ruler even if he be an Abyssinian slave.” (Ahmad)


all the best

 

[Froggy]

Religious doctrines are instituted by men, no matter how perfect will be subject to human error.. I find that whole Europe abolishing and fighting to abolish elsewhere kind of funny.. I think there are multiple forms of subjugation, slavery and racism, not letting a scarved school girl on a bus is certainly one of them. So I'd really let go of that if you wanted to let your case have some credence.

Slavery was never a 'color' race thing in Islam.. as evidenced:

“And We have not sent you (O Muhammad) except as a bearer of glad tidings and a Warner to all mankind, but most of people know not.” (Quran 34:28)
Bilal the Abyssinian

One of the first to accept Islam was an Abyssinian slave named Bilal. Traditionally, black Africans were a lowly people in the sight of Arabs who thought them to be of little use beyond entertainment and slavery. When Bilal embraced Islam, his pagan master had him brutally tortured in the scorching desert heat until Abu Bakr, the Prophet’s closest friend, rescued him by buying his freedom.
The Prophet appointed Bilal to call the believers to prayer. The athan heard from minarets in every corner of the world since, echoes the exact same words recited by Bilal. Thus, a onetime lowly slave won a unique honor as Islam’s first muezzin.
“And indeed We have honored the Children of Adam...” (Quran 17:70)
Western romantics hail ancient Greece as being the birthplace of democracy.[4] The reality was that, as slaves and women, the vast majority of Athenians were denied the right to elect their rulers. Yet, Islam ordained that a slave could himself be ruler! The Prophet ordered:
“Obey your ruler even if he be an Abyssinian slave.” (Ahmad)


all the best

1. As stated, my ancestors never owned slaves nor practiced any form of segregation, so I can criticize slavery all I want without feeling any guilt.
2. Whether Islamic slavery put emphasis on skin color has no relevance to this conversation.

 

[جوري]

1. As stated, my ancestors never owned slaves nor practiced any form of segregation, so I can criticize slavery all I want without feeling any guilt.
2. Whether Islamic slavery put emphasis on skin color has no relevance to this conversation.

And I am comfortable with Islamic stance which was created to abolish slavery, however long it took!

 

[Froggy]

And I am comfortable with Islamic stance which was created to abolish slavery, however long it took!

Islamic slave trade was widespread even a millennium after the founding of Islam, slavery wasn't decreasing in any way, rather new people were enslaved constantly.

 

[CosmicPathos]

Hello, this is my first post so go easy on me if i make any mistakes.

My question is what does Islam have to say about the horrible act of slavery and slave trading of any sort.

I am a strong believer in equality and freedom for each individual being on this planet (past, present, or future).

Also, what does Islam have to say about racism and hatred towards different cultures.

(Just in case : I'm not implying, blaming or pointing fingers at anyone of any religion or race.)

Daanish

hey, you apostatized from islam? Daanish is the name of Muslims, usually.

 

[aamirsaab]

Islamic slave trade was widespread even a millennium after the founding of Islam, slavery wasn't decreasing in any way, rather new people were enslaved constantly.

Blame the slave masters then. Islam really couldn't have done anything more to curtail slavery. If slave masters were slow to take heed, the fault lies with them, not Islam.

 

[Froggy]

Blame the slave masters then. Islam really couldn't have done anything more to curtail slavery. If slave masters were slow to take heed, the fault lies with them, not Islam.

Of course it could have done more. For instance, a little verse like "don't enslave new people" would have made all the difference in the world. Islam managed to prohibirt alcohol, it says clearly that it is haraam. If Islam really wanted to abolish slavery in time and it is a perfect religion of perfect means it would have happened.

 

[CosmicPathos]

Islamic slave trade was widespread even a millennium after the founding of Islam, slavery wasn't decreasing in any way, rather new people were enslaved constantly.

"Islamic" slave trade has nothing to do with Islam. Rather than calling it Islamic, why dont you call it Muslim. Just like how we do not say Islamic scientists of the golden age, rather Muslim scientists of the golden age. Idiot. Slavery is still present in the Gulf countries which claim to be Islamic. Go and see the conditions of South Asian workers there, worse than slavery.

Anyways, whatever Muslims did or not later on, it does not have any effect on what Prophet or his companions did, which was same or extremely close to Islamic principles revealed in Quran.

 

[Froggy]

Islamic slave trade has nothing to do with Islam. Slavery is still present in the Gulf countries which claim to be Islamic. Go and see the conditions of South Asian workers there, worse than slavery.

Anyways, whatever Muslims did or not later on, it does not have any effect on what Prophet or his companions did, which was same or extremely close to Islamic principles revealed in Quran.

Islam does say kaffirs can be enslaved in war time and perhaps even outside that.

 

[aamirsaab]

Of course it could have done more. For instance, a little verse like "don't enslave new people" would have made all the difference in the world. Islam managed to prohibirt alcohol, it says clearly that it is haraam. If Islam really wanted to abolish slavery in time and it is a perfect religion of perfect means it would have happened.

It told the people to free slaves. What more is needed? Chuck Norris roundhouse kick to the face?

 

[Uthman]

Greetings,

Of course it could have done more. For instance, a little verse like "don't enslave new people" would have made all the difference in the world.

"There are three people whose prayers are not accepted. And one of these three is a man who enslaves a free person (Rajulun iitabada muharraran)" (Sunan Abî Dawûd)

Did you check out this thread?

 

[Froggy]

It told the people to free slaves. What more is needed? Chuck Norris roundhouse kick to the face?

What more is needed. A ban to new enslavements. That way Islam would have abolished slavery once the living ones died. Because it doesn't prohibit enslavement, Islamic slave trade was incredibly widespread, more than any other probably. And they sold their slaves to non-Muslims which are not bound by Islamic rules of slave owning, but thats not what I want to taljk about.

 

[جوري]

Islamic slave trade was widespread even a millennium after the founding of Islam, slavery wasn't decreasing in any way, rather new people were enslaved constantly.

and what would you like me to do about that? folks don't always follow their creed!

 

[Froggy]

Greetings, "There are three people whose prayers are not accepted. And one of these three is a man who enslaves a free person (Rajulun iitabada muharraran)" (Sunan Abî Dawûd)

Did you check out this thread?

What constitues a free person? A free anyone or a free Muslim?

 

[CosmicPathos]

It told the people to free slaves. What more is needed? Chuck Norris roundhouse kick to the face?

;D

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