How the Bible and the Quran seriously view women

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Are you saying that he didn't exist?
That's wrong.
Even christianity says that he existed and was the first human being.
As you are an atheist, can you prove that Adam(A.S) didn't exist?
And if I am correct, how does evolution proves that?
Read this:
http://www.readingislam.com/servlet...sh-AAbout_Islam/AskAboutIslamE/AskAboutIslamE
and this:
http://www.masud.co.uk/ISLAM/nuh/evolve.htm
They may give you the clear answer to evolution
Yeah, Christianity is wrong as well. Its not their fault, the ancient bronze age thinkers and seers diddnt have the infomation we have. Its like critisising a Flat Earther because they diddnt have the astronomy of the Greeks.

In a very short answer, yes. I can prove Adam diddnt exist as the first man on earth. I cant prove he wasnt a metaphor for one of the first humans or for an early Homo Sapien.

I can prove it by evolution through natural selection which has provided a comprehensive fossil, genetic , social and architectural record. This is a large subject and I suspect that you have already switched off and are thinking about scriptual retorts to it, so I will provide you with a few starters and its your choice. Lovely and awe inspiring subject though.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2792605076463399298#
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_human_evolution_fossils

We evolved as a member of the primate family. There thus was no Adam, as there wasnt a first human. The transision was so mindboggleingly gradual that any choice for a first human would have to be random. Naturally both sexes existed at the same time, so no Eve.

The first arguement you will find against it is questioning the carbon dating :)
But I'll leave you to discover a wonderful new world of creationist arguements. Kent Hovind does some good ones about Dinosaurs on the Ark.

If you want a shorter answer then; Adam in Islam was 90 foot tall. Thats pretty much evidence on its own that he was imaginary.:D
 
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No, the humans become shorter by time.And I couldn't see anything very impressive or proving in your post rather than it's your "belief".
Read about the history from a good source(Islamic) or some well-knowledged person and then ask something.
And yes, as environment effects on our genes, we can say that we became shorter by environment and its changes.
So you think aligators are in the line of dinosaurs?
That's how we evolved from older people.
And for you, 90 ft. is huuuuge.But if you were in that era, our present height would be weird for you.
Many changes have taken place since Adam(A.S)'s creations.
And according to Islam(or some similar resource), when the adult humans will have heights like the present children(about 4-5 ft.), the judgement will be near.So as you can see, millions of years have been passed and research also shows that humans decreased in height by time, it is proved to be correct.
And there is distinction between us and animals(talking relating to Evolution).
Humans and other animals, reptiles and insects have different classes in science too.
Won't it look dumb if you say the cat will turn into something big which could talk and do intelligent things?
Humans started from human and animals started from animal.Infact man would is the most intelligent creature of all.
 
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It is not a diversion, it is a serious query, how is a woman who is a 'mother to god' compare to womankind-- the bible and various saints thereafter seem to have a very negative view of women.. If Mary is exempt it is obviously not a reflection on womankind in general.. but one who is viewed as a goddess a 'mother of a god'

all the best

A goddess would imply Mary has some sort of divine power, and the miraculous birth of Christ by no means make her a goddess- one miracle does not make someone divine, as you well know seeing as Prophet Muhammed was not divine in any way. Even though the attitudes of early Christians were hostile to women, I think we as a religion have progressed and passed this discrimination of women from our practises.
 
A goddess would imply Mary has some sort of divine power, and the miraculous birth of Christ by no means make her a goddess- one miracle does not make someone divine, as you well know seeing as Prophet Muhammed was not divine in any way. Even though the attitudes of early Christians were hostile to women, I think we as a religion have progressed and passed this discrimination of women from our practises.
But it's still in your books.
 
A goddess would imply Mary has some sort of divine power, and the miraculous birth of Christ by no means make her a goddess- one miracle does not make someone divine, as you well know seeing as Prophet Muhammed was not divine in any way.

Yes the prophet Mohammed (p) didn't claim to be a god, or a son of God, neither did Jesus by the way.. one can only safely conclude that if a god choose to procreate with, and beget himself he would choose a goddess not a mere soulless woman?
 
No, the humans become shorter by time.And I couldn't see anything very impressive or proving in your post rather than it's your "belief".
Read about the history from a good source(Islamic) or some well-knowledged person and then ask something.
And yes, as environment effects on our genes, we can say that we became shorter by environment and its changes.
So you think aligators are in the line of dinosaurs?
That's how we evolved from older people.
And for you, 90 ft. is huuuuge.But if you were in that era, our present height would be weird for you.
Many changes have taken place since Adam(A.S)'s creations.
And according to Islam(or some similar resource), when the adult humans will have heights like the present children(about 4-5 ft.), the judgement will be near.So as you can see, millions of years have been passed and research also shows that humans decreased in height by time, it is proved to be correct.
And there is distinction between us and animals(talking relating to Evolution).
Humans and other animals, reptiles and insects have different classes in science too.
Won't it look dumb if you say the cat will turn into something big which could talk and do intelligent things?
Humans started from human and animals started from animal.Infact man would is the most intelligent creature of all.
Humans actually grow bigger over time. Look at a medieval doorway?;D
You obviously havnt read about evolution from an independent perspective as all of your answers are clearly responses to creationist websites. This is a fringe beleif amongst 2-3% of scientists, its laughably easy to falsify. You just need to follow the evidence. Evidence is not the Quran by the way, nor the bible. Its the world we live in, and hard facts. "Won't it look dumb if you say the cat will turn into something big which could talk and do intelligent things?" This shows that , as i suspected, i would waste my time trying to help you understand evolution.

I would simply say, try looking at science sometime. It really is quite majestic.

Best wishes.
 
Yes the prophet Mohammed (p) didn't claim to be a god, or a son of God, neither did Jesus by the way.. one can only safely conclude that if a god choose to procreate with, and beget himself he would choose a goddess not a mere soulless woman?

In our religion, belief in goddesses is non existant.

Sorry...
 
In our religion, belief in goddesses is non existant.

Sorry...

just gods who anunciate themselves, procreate with women to beget sons who are also themesleves, suckle as children, dam* the earth for not bearing them fruit as adults, die whilst having silent alter egos and disciples who can't shoulder the responsibility after their death?

Ok I got it!
 
Nope, None of it makes any sense at all today. Completly baffling when we have better answers.
 
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just gods who anunciate themselves, procreate with women to beget sons who are also themesleves, suckle as children, dam* the earth for not bearing them fruit as adults, die whilst having silent alter egos and disciples who can't shoulder the responsibility after their death?

Ok I got it!

In a nutshell, yes. But no goddesses.

Zombie biscuit gods, blue skinned elephant-gods,Burning bush gods, Chief of the rock-gods given a new facelift.

Nope, None of it makes any sense at all today. Completly baffling when we have better answers.

The only thing that doesn't make sense is how your persistent and generally unwelcome posts regarding others people's beliefs hasn't earned you a ban yet!
 
When you just can't understand it, what can I do.Try asking someone much more knowledgeable than me and if you think I can't understand whats "evolution", and if you are thinking a very intelligent thing(there is no god and animals created themselves), then ask others about it and it will be best for you.
And do you know, today when I was going on the other side of the island, the wind blew and few pieces of wood gathered around and some nails flew away and came near woods and due to the force of wind, they themselves made place in the woods and the wood changed it's shape to boat and then I sat on it and then the wind blew again and pushed my boat to my destination.
And can you prove me that how humans grow bigger?

And I won't argue with you anymore cause I dont have much knowledge and I dont like to boast around.
As I said, talk to someone who knows more about Islam.
 
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Gossamer skye;1299657]How have you proved any of this wrong?


"Among all savage beasts, none is found so harmful as woman." ~St. John Chrysostom

"Any woman who acts in such a way that she cannot give birth to as many children as she is capable of, makes herself guilty of that many murders." ~St. Augustine

"Do you know that each of your women is an Eve? The sentence of God - on this sex of yours - lives in this age; the guilt must necessarily live, too. You are the gate of Hell, you are the temptress of the forbidden tree; you are the first deserter of the divine law." ~Tertullian

"Let us set our women folk on the road to goodness by teaching them to display submissiveness." "Every woman should be overwhelmed with shame at the thought that she is a woman." ~St. Clement of Alexandria

At the Council of Macon in 585 A.D., Bishops voted if women have immortal souls. The measure passed by one vote only.

These sayings are NOT scripture! And it comes from false christianity!

Genesis 3:16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

This punishment was eased after the coming of JESUS CHRIST!
And note the punishment for Adam!


Genesis 3:17-19 (Amplified Bible)

17And to Adam He said, Because you have listened and given heed to the voice of your wife and have eaten of the tree of which I commanded you, saying, You shall not eat of it, the ground is under a curse because of you; in sorrow and toil shall you eat [of the fruits] of it all the days of your life.

18Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth for you, and you shall eat the plants of the field.

19In the sweat of your face shall you eat bread until you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken; for dust you are and to dust you shall return.


Is.3:12 As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them.
You have taken 1 verse out of the contextof the whole chapter!

1 Cor.11:3 "But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God."
This is setting out what was happening with regard to head covering and Paul corrected it!

1 Corinthians 11:11-12 (Amplified Bible)

11Nevertheless, in [the plan of] the Lord and from His point of view woman is not apart from and independent of man, nor is man aloof from and independent of woman;

12For as woman was made from man, even so man is also born of woman; and all [whether male or female go forth] from God [as their Author].


1 Cor.14:34-36 "Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church."
Eph.5:22-24 "Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing."
You are being selective to prove a your own false biased point! You are making up false doctrine!

Ephesians 5:25-33 (Amplified Bible)

25Husbands, love your wives, as Christ loved the church and gave Himself up for her,

26So that He might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the Word,

27That He might present the church to Himself in glorious splendor, without spot or wrinkle or any such things [that she might be holy and faultless].

28Even so husbands should love their wives as [being in a sense] their own bodies. He who loves his own wife loves himself.

29For no man ever hated his own flesh, but nourishes and carefully protects and cherishes it, as Christ does the church,

30Because we are members (parts) of His body.

31For this reason a man shall leave his father and his mother and shall be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.(A)

32This mystery is very great, but I speak concerning [the relation of] Christ and the church.

33However, let each man of you [without exception] love his wife as [being in a sense] his very own self; and let the wife see that she respects and reverences her husband [[a]that she notices him, regards him, honors him, prefers him, venerates, and esteems him; and that she defers to him, praises him, and loves and admires him exceedingly]. [I Pet. 3:2.]

Col.3:18 "Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as it is fit in the Lord."
You are being selective to prove a your own false biased point! You are making up false doctrine!

Colossians 3:19 (Amplified Bible)

19Husbands, love your wives [be affectionate and sympathetic with them] and do not be harsh or bitter or resentful toward them.

1 Tim.2:11-15 "Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing

1 Timothy 2:8-15 (Amplified Bible)

8I desire therefore that in every place men should pray, without anger or quarreling or resentment or doubt [in their minds], lifting up holy hands.

9Also [I desire] that women should adorn themselves modestly and appropriately and sensibly in seemly apparel, not with [elaborate] hair arrangement or gold or pearls or expensive clothing,

10But by doing good deeds (deeds in themselves good and for the good and advantage of those contacted by them), as befits women who profess reverential fear for and devotion to God.

11Let a woman learn in quietness, in entire submissiveness.

12I allow no woman to teach or to have authority over men; she is to remain in quietness and keep silence [in religious assemblies].

13For Adam was first formed, then Eve;(A)

14And it was not Adam who was deceived, but [the] woman who was deceived and deluded and fell into transgression.(B)

15Nevertheless [the sentence put upon women of pain in motherhood does not hinder their souls' salvation, and] they will be saved [eternally] if they continue in faith and love and holiness with self-control, [saved indeed] [a]through the Childbearing or by the birth of the divine Child.


1 Pet.3:1 "Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands."


You are being selective to prove a your own false biased point! You are making up false doctrine!

1 Peter 3 (Amplified Bible)

1 Peter 3
1IN LIKE manner, you married women, be submissive to your own husbands [subordinate yourselves as being secondary to and dependent on them, and adapt yourselves to them], so that even if any do not obey the Word [of God], they may be won over not by discussion but by the [godly] lives of their wives,

2When they observe the pure and modest way in which you conduct yourselves, together with your [a] reverence [for your husband; you are to feel for him all that reverence includes: to respect, defer to, revere him--to honor, esteem, appreciate, prize, and, in the human sense, to adore him, that is, to admire, praise, be devoted to, deeply love, and enjoy your husband].

3Let not yours be the [merely] external adorning with [elaborate] interweaving and knotting of the hair, the wearing of jewelry, or changes of clothes;

4But let it be the inward adorning and beauty of the hidden person of the heart, with the incorruptible and unfading charm of a gentle and peaceful spirit, which [is not anxious or wrought up, but] is very precious in the sight of God.

5For it was thus that the pious women of old who hoped in God were [accustomed] to beautify themselves and were submissive to their husbands [adapting themselves to them as themselves secondary and dependent upon them].

6It was thus that Sarah obeyed Abraham [following his guidance and acknowledging his headship over her by] calling him lord (master, leader, authority). And you are now her true daughters if you do right and let nothing terrify you [not giving way to hysterical fears or letting anxieties unnerve you].

7In the same way you married men should live considerately with [your wives], with an [c]intelligent recognition [of the marriage relation], honoring the woman as [physically] the weaker, but [realizing that you] are joint heirs of the grace (God's unmerited favor) of life, in order that your prayers may not be hindered and cut off. [Otherwise you cannot pray effectively.]

8Finally, all [of you] should be of one and the same mind (united in spirit), sympathizing [with one another], loving [each other] as brethren [of one household], compassionate and courteous (tenderhearted and humble).
 
How do you distinguish false christianity from true Christianity if it all comes courtesy of some vote- how does god eating your sins really makeup for the vileness of what is written against women?
also adding different quotes doesn't address the original quotes or centuries of christian history not just toward women but other people in general!

nice try..

all the best
 
Humans actually grow bigger over time. Look at a medieval doorway?;D
You obviously havnt read about evolution from an independent perspective as all of your answers are clearly responses to creationist websites. This is a fringe beleif amongst 2-3% of scientists, its laughably easy to falsify. You just need to follow the evidence. Evidence is not the Quran by the way, nor the bible. Its the world we live in, and hard facts. "Won't it look dumb if you say the cat will turn into something big which could talk and do intelligent things?" This shows that , as i suspected, i would waste my time trying to help you understand evolution.

I would simply say, try looking at science sometime. It really is quite majestic.

Best wishes.

It would be really nice if you can stop the verbal bullying and put your money where your mouth is?

In fact God hasn't let us on his secret formula of creation for one who allegedly read the Quran so many times and often poses himself as a sort of Illuminati in all things theological, you always seem to make such a ---- --- out of yourself and one wonders why that is?



مَا أَشْهَدتُّهُمْ خَلْقَ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضِ وَلَا خَلْقَ أَنفُسِهِمْ وَمَا كُنتُ مُتَّخِذَ الْمُضِلِّينَ عَضُدًا {51}
[SIZE=-1][Pickthal 18:51] I made them not to witness the creation of the heavens and the earth, nor their own creation..

amazing ain't it?
you want to believe in rocks that develop lungs after taking upon themselves a few base pairs from some air and some water, and then sprouted wings, and then brains and sentience and separate sexes. pls be my guest.. don't however put pseudo-science out as scientific evidence, nor speak on behalf of the scientific community, you are neither a representative nor a member..
taking a months off to change your status from agnostic to atheist doesn't raise your IQ either .. funny stuff :D

all the best..
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Gossamer skye;1299657]How have you proved any of this wrong?


"Among all savage beasts, none is found so harmful as woman." ~St. John Chrysostom

"Any woman who acts in such a way that she cannot give birth to as many children as she is capable of, makes herself guilty of that many murders." ~St. Augustine

"Do you know that each of your women is an Eve? The sentence of God - on this sex of yours - lives in this age; the guilt must necessarily live, too. You are the gate of Hell, you are the temptress of the forbidden tree; you are the first deserter of the divine law." ~Tertullian

"Let us set our women folk on the road to goodness by teaching them to display submissiveness." "Every woman should be overwhelmed with shame at the thought that she is a woman." ~St. Clement of Alexandria

At the Council of Macon in 585 A.D., Bishops voted if women have immortal souls. The measure passed by one vote only.

These sayings are NOT scripture! And it comes from false christianity!

Genesis 3:16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

This punishment was eased after the coming of JESUS CHRIST!
And note the punishment for Adam!


Genesis 3:17-19 (Amplified Bible)

17And to Adam He said, Because you have listened and given heed to the voice of your wife and have eaten of the tree of which I commanded you, saying, You shall not eat of it, the ground is under a curse because of you; in sorrow and toil shall you eat [of the fruits] of it all the days of your life.

18Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth for you, and you shall eat the plants of the field.

19In the sweat of your face shall you eat bread until you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken; for dust you are and to dust you shall return.


Is.3:12 As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them.
You have taken 1 verse out of the contextof the whole chapter!

1 Cor.11:3 "But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God."
This is setting out what was happening with regard to head covering and Paul corrected it!

1 Corinthians 11:11-12 (Amplified Bible)

11Nevertheless, in [the plan of] the Lord and from His point of view woman is not apart from and independent of man, nor is man aloof from and independent of woman;

12For as woman was made from man, even so man is also born of woman; and all [whether male or female go forth] from God [as their Author].


1 Cor.14:34-36 "Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church."
Eph.5:22-24 "Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing."
You are being selective to prove a your own false biased point! You are making up false doctrine!

Ephesians 5:25-33 (Amplified Bible)

25Husbands, love your wives, as Christ loved the church and gave Himself up for her,

26So that He might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the Word,

27That He might present the church to Himself in glorious splendor, without spot or wrinkle or any such things [that she might be holy and faultless].

28Even so husbands should love their wives as [being in a sense] their own bodies. He who loves his own wife loves himself.

29For no man ever hated his own flesh, but nourishes and carefully protects and cherishes it, as Christ does the church,

30Because we are members (parts) of His body.

31For this reason a man shall leave his father and his mother and shall be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.(A)

32This mystery is very great, but I speak concerning [the relation of] Christ and the church.

33However, let each man of you [without exception] love his wife as [being in a sense] his very own self; and let the wife see that she respects and reverences her husband [[a]that she notices him, regards him, honors him, prefers him, venerates, and esteems him; and that she defers to him, praises him, and loves and admires him exceedingly]. [I Pet. 3:2.]

Col.3:18 "Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as it is fit in the Lord."
You are being selective to prove a your own false biased point! You are making up false doctrine!

Colossians 3:19 (Amplified Bible)

19Husbands, love your wives [be affectionate and sympathetic with them] and do not be harsh or bitter or resentful toward them.

1 Tim.2:11-15 "Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing

1 Timothy 2:8-15 (Amplified Bible)

8I desire therefore that in every place men should pray, without anger or quarreling or resentment or doubt [in their minds], lifting up holy hands.

9Also [I desire] that women should adorn themselves modestly and appropriately and sensibly in seemly apparel, not with [elaborate] hair arrangement or gold or pearls or expensive clothing,

10But by doing good deeds (deeds in themselves good and for the good and advantage of those contacted by them), as befits women who profess reverential fear for and devotion to God.

11Let a woman learn in quietness, in entire submissiveness.

12I allow no woman to teach or to have authority over men; she is to remain in quietness and keep silence [in religious assemblies].

13For Adam was first formed, then Eve;(A)

14And it was not Adam who was deceived, but [the] woman who was deceived and deluded and fell into transgression.(B)

15Nevertheless [the sentence put upon women of pain in motherhood does not hinder their souls' salvation, and] they will be saved [eternally] if they continue in faith and love and holiness with self-control, [saved indeed] [a]through the Childbearing or by the birth of the divine Child.


1 Pet.3:1 "Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands."


You are being selective to prove a your own false biased point! You are making up false doctrine!

1 Peter 3 (Amplified Bible)

1 Peter 3
1IN LIKE manner, you married women, be submissive to your own husbands [subordinate yourselves as being secondary to and dependent on them, and adapt yourselves to them], so that even if any do not obey the Word [of God], they may be won over not by discussion but by the [godly] lives of their wives,

2When they observe the pure and modest way in which you conduct yourselves, together with your [a] reverence [for your husband; you are to feel for him all that reverence includes: to respect, defer to, revere him--to honor, esteem, appreciate, prize, and, in the human sense, to adore him, that is, to admire, praise, be devoted to, deeply love, and enjoy your husband].

3Let not yours be the [merely] external adorning with [elaborate] interweaving and knotting of the hair, the wearing of jewelry, or changes of clothes;

4But let it be the inward adorning and beauty of the hidden person of the heart, with the incorruptible and unfading charm of a gentle and peaceful spirit, which [is not anxious or wrought up, but] is very precious in the sight of God.

5For it was thus that the pious women of old who hoped in God were [accustomed] to beautify themselves and were submissive to their husbands [adapting themselves to them as themselves secondary and dependent upon them].

6It was thus that Sarah obeyed Abraham [following his guidance and acknowledging his headship over her by] calling him lord (master, leader, authority). And you are now her true daughters if you do right and let nothing terrify you [not giving way to hysterical fears or letting anxieties unnerve you].

7In the same way you married men should live considerately with [your wives], with an [c]intelligent recognition [of the marriage relation], honoring the woman as [physically] the weaker, but [realizing that you] are joint heirs of the grace (God's unmerited favor) of life, in order that your prayers may not be hindered and cut off. [Otherwise you cannot pray effectively.]

8Finally, all [of you] should be of one and the same mind (united in spirit), sympathizing [with one another], loving [each other] as brethren [of one household], compassionate and courteous (tenderhearted and humble).


Whattttt? It can't be? Another one who is part of red shift;D Your in the red bro, tell me.....how do you do it? I am interested.
 
It would be really nice if you can stop the verbal bullying and put your money where your mouth is?

In fact God hasn't let us on his secret formula of creation for one who allegedly read the Quran so many times and often poses himself as a sort of Illuminati in all things theological, you always seem to make such a ---- --- out of yourself and one wonders why that is?



مَا أَشْهَدتُّهُمْ خَلْقَ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضِ وَلَا خَلْقَ أَنفُسِهِمْ وَمَا كُنتُ مُتَّخِذَ الْمُضِلِّينَ عَضُدًا {51}
[SIZE=-1][Pickthal 18:51] I made them not to witness the creation of the heavens and the earth, nor their own creation..

amazing ain't it?
you want to believe in rocks that develop lungs after taking upon themselves a few base pairs from some air and some water, and then sprouted wings, and then brains and sentience and separate sexes. pls be my guest.. don't however put pseudo-science out as scientific evidence, nor speak on behalf of the scientific community, you are neither a representative nor a member..
taking a months off to change your status from agnostic to atheist doesn't raise your IQ either .. funny stuff :D

all the best..
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Rocks dont develop lungs. Thats typical of someone who dosnt understand evolution. Nor do Donkeys and frogs produce Fronkeys. This drivel can be expected of creationists. You ought to know some basic biology and genetics? What kind of doctors are they passing these days?

Ahh! but the thing is, your not actually stupid or ignorant, your well read. You have probably looked at the rudiments of evolution and when it started getting scarily in opposition to the Quran. You stopped. Thats fine , your choice.

The thing is, I dont beleive Rocks ever talked or indeed rocks ever will talk, You do. You beleive they will shout out where Jews are hiding in a final battle.
You also beleive that paying special attention to a certain rock will have certain effects. I dont. I think, and indeed logic supports it has no effect.
You beleive that a special Horse once flew, i dont. You beleive that dunking flys in drinks is a cure for illness, you beleive we are surrounded by millions of invisible creatures made from fire. none of these things are to be seen or proved by evidence , they are your faith.

Perhaps you could call science my faith? Its one I require evidence for, but as you once wrote, for the believer, no amount of evidence is needed, whilst for the disbeleiver, no amount of evidence (in god) is enough. Which I would disagree with. I just need some evidence!

Now all those things are fine. Beleive them if it floats your ark. But evolution study has produced billions of pages of mutually buttressing evidence of which examples can be seen all around us.It's agreed upon by a staggering perponderance of scientists.
You could disagree with that,and you will, and you will be wrong again.

I can point to the geological and paleontological evidence.And have done.

Point me to the talking rock. When you can, I'll show you one with lungs.:nervous:
 
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Rocks dont develop lungs. Thats typical of someone who dosnt understand evolution. Nor do Donkeys and frogs produce Fronkeys. This drivel can be expected of creationists. You ought to know some basic biology and genetics? What kind of doctors are they passing these days?
You understand evolution so well why not engage us in a lucid manner instead of referencing us to vague websites on the web, so that when we take them and break things down to a language even you can understand, you wouldn't throw another one of your famous tantrums?

Ahh! but the thing is, your not actually stupid or ignorant, your well read. You have probably looked at the rudiments of evolution and when it started getting scarily in opposition to the Quran. You stopped. Thats fine , your choice.
wow, all that and psychic too? oh pls do tell, what else can you do?

The thing is, I dont beleive Rocks ever talked or indeed rocks ever will talk, You do. You beleive they will shout out where Jews are hiding in a final battle.
were you always a concrete thinker, or still stuck at a Pre-operational Stage?

You also beleive that paying special attention to a certain rock will have certain effects. I dont. I think, and indeed logic supports it has no effect.
You beleive that a special Horse once flew, i dont. You beleive that dunking flys in drinks is a cure for illness, you beleive we are surrounded by millions of invisible creatures made from fire.

Why not put emphasis on what you believe and not what others believe, or are you afraid you'll be ripped into for the stupidities that you subscribe to and cast under the umbrella of 'science'?
Now all those things are fine. Beleive them if it floats your ark. But evolution study has produced billions of pages of mutually buttressing evidence of which examples can be seen all around us.It's agreed upon by a staggering perponderance of scientists.
You could disagree with that,and you will, and you will be wrong again.
Do you have something better to offer than ludicrous claims and logical fallacies?
I can point to the geological and paleontological evidence.And have done.
Generally when you come on with this level bravado, you should introduce a statement in a concise fluid fashion and not a drunkard's fragment if you wish for folks to take anything you say with some semblance of seriousness!
Point me to the talking rock. When you can, I'll show you one with lungs.:nervous:
I think you are better suited for a half a dozen cheap tawdry novels than going into topics clearly over your head and then googling communist era quotes to support your position..

silly dude trix are for kids..

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but thanks as always for the hearty guffaw, I really love how you get heated over your convictions...
 
You understand evolution so well why not engage us in a lucid manner instead of referencing us to vague websites on the web, so that when we take them and break things down to a language even you can understand, you wouldn't throw another one of your famous tantrums?


wow, all that and psychic too? oh pls do tell, what else can you do?


were you always a concrete thinker, or still stuck at a Pre-operational Stage?



Why not put emphasis on what you believe and not what others believe, or are you afraid you'll be ripped into for the stupidities that you subscribe to and cast under the umbrella of 'science'?
Do you have something better to offer than ludicrous claims and logical fallacies?

Generally when you come on with this level bravado, you should introduce a statement in a concise fluid fashion and not a drunkard's fragment if you wish for folks to take anything you say with some semblance of seriousness!

I think you are better suited for a half a dozen cheap tawdry novels than going into topics clearly over your head and then googling communist era quotes to support your position..

silly dude trix are for kids..

sillyrabbittricksareforkidslrg-1.png




but thanks as always for the hearty guffaw, I really love how you get heated over your convictions...

Not heated at all! I wasnt the one who started all the ad-hom and strawman smokescreening.We must again agree to disagree.
Not really on thread are we, for a change :)
 

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