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Hi, I am a strong believer in British culture and democracy, and am relatively new to politics and religion in general. I keep coming across statistics that shows Islam to be the fastest growing religion on Earth as well as in humble old Britain. What concerns me is I keep discovering references that Muslims believe they will one day rule the world, or are at least are inclined to promote and educate Islam to the Western world.

I am not one for jumping to conclusions and I understand that there are many facets of Islam as well as many misconceptions and 'outliers'. So I thought best to ask here what is the general consensus on this statement with moderate and "extremist" Muslims?

Thanks,
 
I think what you're reffering to is something that we believe will happen near the end of time.

What we believe will happen is that when the prophet Isa (Jesus) descends most (or all) of the world will accept islam after seeing the truth that he was not the 'son of god' but a prophet. So its not really muslims conquering the world its, more like the message will spread to a point where it is mostly accepted by everyone.

My post may not be fully accurate, hopefully another member can explain this better and in more detail as it is a well known sign of the day of judgment in islam.
 
Regarding promoting islam, this is something that we should be doing if we are living amongst non muslims, its like if we truly believe in islam then we should let others benefit from the truth and spread the message
 
There are no 'moderate' vs. 'extremist' Muslims, you are either a good Muslim or a bad one.. these terms are only fed you by your media, it is best to ask them what those terms mean..

Islam shall be the dominant religion in the world insha'Allah.. but you are talking a post Armageddon event which from the looks of things the wheels of it are already in motion thanks to western ambitions..

all the best
 
British_Patriot said:
Hi, I am a strong believer in British culture and democracy, and am relatively new to politics and religion in general. I keep coming across statistics that shows Islam to be the fastest growing religion on Earth as well as in humble old Britain. What concerns me is I keep discovering references that Muslims believe they will one day rule the world, or are at least are inclined to promote and educate Islam to the Western world.

I am not one for jumping to conclusions and I understand that there are many facets of Islam as well as many misconceptions and 'outliers'. So I thought best to ask here what is the general consensus on this statement with moderate and "extremist" Muslims?

Thanks,
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I don't think Muslims aim to take over the world, the way you intend. Yes, we should try and educate as many people as we can about Islam but we can't force anybody. Furthermore, there are no "moderate" and "extreme" Muslims. There are those who follow the Islam in the correct and true manner, and there are those who think they are Muslims because they may have a turban, or a beard, or a muslim name and may have read the Qur'an a few times. These are the type of people who suicide bomb and kill innocents and women and children, just like the western world.

Use logic, don't believe everything you see on TV and read in the newspaper. Would Muslims kill each other? Would we be so crazy as to blow up our own places of worship? Simple answer: No. The only ones doing that are dogs like Al Qaeda and USA among others. The British are the ones who raped and murdered Iraq yet i hear many people claim that Muslims are taking over Briton, "Invading" and calling it "Saudi Britain". The only ones trying to take over the world are those who do others harm. Islam intends to do nobody harm.

Don't jump to conclusions my friend. Educate yourself on the matter before speaking out.
 
That is what I intend to do Unhappy:D, I do not support the war in Iraq or Afghanistan and in my experience the average British person does not either. I understand how those countries are in turmoil and being taken over by nondemocratic parties but it is not Britain's duty to step in.

Thank you for clearing up the Muslim terminology, the BBC have many failings (especially considering their funding methods!).

In a truly democratic state, I understand that teaching of Islam is totally acceptable, people should be free to believe in what they want. But from what I have read of Sharia (sp?) law and the general way of life of a Muslim it is quite incompatible with British culture in the sense that they seem quite opposite.

My next question is, do Muslims share the same thinking that they should be open to embrace British culture as we do theirs?
 
British_Patriot said:
In a truly democratic state, I understand that teaching of Islam is totally acceptable, people should be free to believe in what they want. But from what I have read of Sharia (sp?) law and the general way of life of a Muslim it is quite incompatible with British culture in the sense that they seem quite opposite.

My next question is, do Muslims share the same thinking that they should be open to embrace British culture as we do theirs?
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What is British culture? You mean drinking large amounts and eating curry? Well we can partake in the curry eating :p
 
Islamically Muslims should follow the law of the land. If this law contradicts Islamic rulings - then leave. However, British culture is not the law.

However, if Muslims hope to successfully spread the message of Islam which we believe to be true. We cannot come across as offensive to British culture (which many do)

I myself am British/white born and bred yet became Muslim when I was 14. Most of my culture is British and I am still able to follow the rules of Islam.
 
British_Patriot said:
That is what I intend to do Unhappy:D, I do not support the war in Iraq or Afghanistan and in my experience the average British person does not either. I understand how those countries are in turmoil and being taken over by nondemocratic parties but it is not Britain's duty to step in.

Thank you for clearing up the Muslim terminology, the BBC have many failings (especially considering their funding methods!).

In a truly democratic state, I understand that teaching of Islam is totally acceptable, people should be free to believe in what they want. But from what I have read of Sharia (sp?) law and the general way of life of a Muslim it is quite incompatible with British culture in the sense that they seem quite opposite.

My next question is, do Muslims share the same thinking that they should be open to embrace British culture as we do theirs?
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There is no issue with embracing culture, so long as it does not conflict with ones religious beliefs. I know that many people in Briton complain how Muslims don't accept British culture and so and so but they don't have to. It is ones decision how they want to live.
The issue here is that with Christianity or Judaism or anything else, they are much more "relaxed" when compared to Islam. For example the need to cover ones arms, legs, hair (for women), is required in Islam but not so much in Christianity (as far as i know), and since Briton is a christian-dominated country, they can't grasp the idea truly that we have to follow Islam correctly, and make no room for exceptions, we can't let anything get in the way. I think that it's good how the UK is not like France where they criticise Muslims for putting their "Religion before Culture" (or along those lines) but in the UK there is as of yet no ban on Hijabs or anything of the sort. We can drink tea, play Polo and all that, but for matters such as mixing Men and Women, or going down to the local pub, that's a no-no for those who follow Islam correctly, as many Muslims typically mix culture and religion to satisfy themselves and others.

Oh and brothers/sisters are free to correct me if i'm wrong.
 
Define what British Culture is all i really can think of is the Pub, fish and chips, imperialism care to explain what it is in the 21st C ? Or are you going to tell because of mass immigration there is no such thing as British culture anymore and you want it back to the 1950s?
 
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I'm sure you can understand my concern, if the statistics are anything to go by they suggest a big cultural 'invasion'. With British people being free to do what they want etc etc and Islam being a relatively strict culture/religion it's concerns me that Muslims will fully step into Britain's political system and to be blunt install Islam as the state religion.

To clarify, British culture is very rich, of course we have the tradition and heritage, the Monarchy, Parliament, Christianity, but I believe the core of British culture is attitude - polite, good manners, men/women treated equally, stiff upper lip when times are hard, the necessity for humor wherever appropriate.

Wiki article - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture_of_the_United_Kingdom

I myself like the cars, Aston Martin, Jaguar, Lotus,
 
The british attitude you described is just what Islam preaches :) I don't think you have anything to worry about. When pure Islam is followed things work out peacefully. When it is pushed forward aggressively mixed with misconceptions by uneducated muslims - that's when we havep roblems
 
British_Patriot said:
I'm sure you can understand my concern, if the statistics are anything to go by they suggest a big cultural 'invasion'. With British people being free to do what they want etc etc and Islam being a relatively strict culture/religion it's concerns me that Muslims will fully step into Britain's political system and to be blunt install Islam as the state religion.

To clarify, British culture is very rich, of course we have the tradition and heritage, the Monarchy, Parliament, Christianity, but I believe the core of British culture is attitude - polite, good manners, men/women treated equally, stiff upper lip when times are hard, the necessity for humor wherever appropriate.

Wiki article - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture_of_the_United_Kingdom

I myself like the cars, Aston Martin, Jaguar, Lotus,
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I can understand your concern, but i don't think Muslims wish to step into the government to impose Sharia law or anything similar. As for Islam, it's not a culture like you say, it's a religion, and it's strict because it has to be. Muslims also have good manners, women are treated equally and so and so, but i think you get these stereotypes because you see Muslim women covered in Hijabs and veils. Tell me this, if a serial rapist was to see two women, one who was wearing some tight jeans and a blouse showing cleavage and one wearing Hijab, who would he be more likely to sexually harass? It's also to protect women because they are more fragile than men (as far as i know). Lastly you say British people are free to do as they wish, and i will take it that you are implying Muslims are not? If people are free to do as they wish, there would be chaos. There needs to be order and restraint to protect humanity from itself. I can understand that many Atheists claim themselves to be very intellegent and smart (not saying you guys are wrong etc) but it only takes a bit of common sense to understand everything.
 
British_Patriot said:
I'm sure you can understand my concern, if the statistics are anything to go by they suggest a big cultural 'invasion'. With British people being free to do what they want etc etc and Islam being a relatively strict culture/religion it's concerns me that Muslims will fully step into Britain's political system and to be blunt install Islam as the state religion.

To clarify, British culture is very rich, of course we have the tradition and heritage, the Monarchy, Parliament, Christianity, but I believe the core of British culture is attitude - polite, good manners, men/women treated equally, stiff upper lip when times are hard, the necessity for humor wherever appropriate.

Wiki article - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture_of_the_United_Kingdom

I myself like the cars, Aston Martin, Jaguar, Lotus,
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You believe in Christianity, yet your profile says atheist. Something not quite right there.

Are you a EDL member by any chance? because you sound like one.
 
I think what the problem is that these British people think Islam is attacking their 'culture and heritage' and such. They think that Muslims will change how it works, which is just silly. We respect everyones beliefs and cultures, the diversity and everything. We have no quarrel with anybody, we just want to practice our faith without having people to harass us for doing it.
 
UnhappyD: said:
I can understand your concern, but i don't think Muslims wish to step into the government to impose Sharia law or anything similar. As for Islam, it's not a culture like you say, it's a religion, and it's strict because it has to be. Muslims also have good manners, women are treated equally and so and so, but i think you get these stereotypes because you see Muslim women covered in Hijabs and veils. Tell me this, if a serial rapist was to see two women, one who was wearing some tight jeans and a blouse showing cleavage and one wearing Hijab, who would he be more likely to sexually harass? It's also to protect women because they are more fragile than men (as far as i know). Lastly you say British people are free to do as they wish, and i will take it that you are implying Muslims are not? If people are free to do as they wish, there would be chaos. There needs to be order and restraint to protect humanity from itself. I can understand that many Atheists claim themselves to be very intellegent and smart (not saying you guys are wrong etc) but it only takes a bit of common sense to understand everything.
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My university has a large proportion of Asians and I do see many girls covered up with those black headscarf things, and to be honest I think they are being deprived. Whereas non-Muslim girls are free to follow fashion and wear what they like, Muslim girls seem shy and unable to enjoy themselves or their bodies which is a great shame as sexual attraction and flirtation is a great human pleasure.

You have taken my words too literal, what I mean is British people do not adhere to restrictive practices and are therefore freer to eat/drink/wear what they want as well as being able to act without worrying about any teachings.

With your rapist scenario, rapists or indeed serial rapists are I hope extremely rare in society and their acts and punishments are subject to the law that protects women from them. Of course it cannot work perfectly but you would't ban the internal combustion engine because it causes so many deaths/injury's.
 
British_Patriot said:
My university has a large proportion of Asians and I do see many girls covered up with those black headscarf things, and to be honest I think they are being deprived. Whereas non-Muslim girls are free to follow fashion and wear what they like, Muslim girls seem shy and unable to enjoy themselves or their bodies which is a great shame as sexual attraction and flirtation is a great human pleasure.

You have taken my words too literal, what I mean is British people do not adhere to restrictive practices and are therefore freer to eat/drink/wear what they want as well as being able to act without worrying about any teachings.

With your rapist scenario, rapists or indeed serial rapists are I hope extremely rare in society and their acts and punishments are subject to the law that protects women from them. Of course it cannot work perfectly but you would't ban the internal combustion engine because it causes so many deaths/injury's.
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lol i'm to tired to even write a response to this, but i'm sure other sisters will. You just opened a big can of worms there. :hiding::hiding:
 
mystical_moon said:
You believe in Christianity, yet your profile says atheist. Something not quite right there.

Are you a EDL member by any chance? because you sound like one.
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I do not believe in Christianity despite going to a C of E school I do not believe there is a god. My belief is that science has disproved the bible enough to falsify it.

What is EDL? I'm guessing English Democratic something? I do not vote as I do not fully agree with all the policies of current parties.
 

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