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Do you support the death penalty?

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I support it only in the worst of circumstances, like for terrorists, war criminals, and really horrible serial killers. If only to bring closure to the families of the victims. However, in most cases, I don't support it; death is too good for scum like some of these *******s who rape and murder women and children. The normal prison population would tear people like them to pieces.
 
I'm not sure what the Jewish concept of punishment is (do you believe in hell-fire?), but once they die (if they were unrepentant), they would be placed into hell. That would be far worse than any punishment humans can inflict.
 
Boaz said:
death is too good for scum like some of these *******s who rape and murder women and children. The normal prison population would tear people like them to pieces.
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Some jails seem to be rather pleasant. I recently read an article that claimed the prisoners eat better food than students at school...

Edit: (^Just an example) I'm not saying we should give them bad food lol. But really at least in Europe jails resemble hotels.
 
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Alpha Dude said:
I'm not sure what the Jewish concept of punishment is (do you believe in hell-fire?), but once they die (if they were unrepentant), they would be placed into hell. That would be far worse than any punishment humans can inflict.
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We do have a concept of Hell and I think it's similar to the Muslim concept. It's usually not permanent. Repentance from Hell is possible, but it is a much better investment to live a life doing good deeds and showing your devotion to God.

Capital punishment is prescribed in the scriptures for specific crimes. However, to get a guilty verdict was very difficult. At the time of the Temple, if a Jewish court executed more than two or three people in a span of seventy years, they were considered a bad court. I think the only capital crimes were premeditated murder, idolatry, adultery, and cursing the name of God. All of which required a warning to the defendant before hand and at least two witnesses to testify against the defendant in court.

My stance on capital punishment are not religiously motivated, but morally and politically.
 
I don't support the death penalty in any circumstances. Partly because, whatever fancy religious, moral or philosophical clothes you dress it in, capital punishment has far more to do with revenge than 'justice'. But mostly because, sooner or later, you are going to fry/hang/shoot somebody innocent. The ultimate punishment cannot be justified in an imperfect justice system and I'm aware of no justice system that is anything but.

Regarding the "worst of circumstances", the trouble is actually defining it. Terrorist or 'freedom fighter'? Cold calculating murderer or insane serial killer? We had much the same thing some years ago in the UK with people that the death penalty could be justified if guilt was "absolutely certain". Quite apart from the obvious point that unless guilt was 'beyond reasonable doubt' (and where is the line between that and absolutely certain - can you ever be absolutely certain?) there should never have been a conviction in the first place, one example that was used was when there was 'video evidence' of a crime. But in 2010, would anybody who has been to the movies in the last decade accept video evidence as certain proof of anything?
 
In the correct circumstances of course.

You look at 'modern' and 'civilized' countries and you see women being raped daily. You see men being raped. You see boys being sodomised. What is this all about?

People seeing someone being raped in the streets of Paris and they think 'oh she's having fun'.

You catch a rapist and you prosecute him, and in two years they are released and they have raped someone else.

Therefore the death penalty is a just punishment in my eyes.
 
Boaz said:
Under Shariah law, is there the presumption of innocence in the courts?
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Punishment is administered after evidence/proof has been established against the criminal. True shariah law is much more just for muslims and non-muslims alike than the democratic laws of the west where Muslims are guilty until proven innocent or just put away in prisons under false "suspicions" without trials for years.

visit here to read more on shariah:

http://www.islamawareness.net/Shariah

 
yeah the death penalty is the only answer really so they cant offend again.

so i agree with death penalty. i dont know what drives a person to rape or kill.

Is it just in there blood?
 
cat eyes said:
yeah the death penalty is the only answer really so they cant offend again.

so i agree with death penalty. i dont know what drives a person to rape or kill.

Is it just in there blood?
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It's different from person to person. Most criminals commit crimes because they get a "reward", like if you mug people you may get money, or if you rob houses you may get valuable items, similarly they may rape because they are getting a "reward" (sexual pleasure) and kill (because they enjoy it and dislike people), but that's just from what i understand, but anybody who does serious crimes like murder should be killed. It's only fair.
 
UnhappyD: said:
It's different from person to person. Most criminals commit crimes because they get a "reward", like if you mug people you may get money, or if you rob houses you may get valuable items, similarly they may rape because they are getting a "reward" (sexual pleasure) and kill (because they enjoy it and dislike people), but that's just from what i understand, but anybody who does serious crimes like murder should be killed. It's only fair.
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but thats what i dont get why do they rape when they can easily go to a club and get a woman with consent without having to force himself on her
 
cat eyes said:
but thats what i dont get why do they rape when they can easily go to a club and get a woman with consent without having to force himself on her
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there's more 2 it then that, it's psychological also, they want to make the other person feel pain and they want to be the aggressors/dominators they want to feel the power. I remember watching a programme on it once, sexual pleasure is not the only motivation.

alot of it stems from perverted fantasies that eventually go out of control. but sometimes it's purely for sexual gratification.
 
KittenLover said:
there's more 2 it then that, it's psychological also, they want to make the other person feel pain and they want to be the aggressors/dominators they want to feel the power. I remember watching a programme on it once, sexual pleasure is not the only motivation.

alot of it stems from perverted fantasies that eventually go out of control. but sometimes it's purely for sexual gratification.
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was watching a programme where they said the same thing also but i cant believe how much of a retard a person can be to do it in a city where there is a death penalty for crimes like this.

And what kinda life would you have in prison..he'd probably get raped and beaten himself :hmm:
 
cat eyes said:
was watching a programme where they said the same thing also but i cant believe how much of a retard a person can be to do it in a city where there is a death penalty for crimes like this.

And what kinda life would you have in prison..he'd probably get raped and beaten himself :hmm:
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Actully in prison pedophiles get beaten and raped, that's why they are put in a "special" section away from others. They deserve the death penalty, same goes for pedophiles, but human activists cry and whine about it.. :raging:
 
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It's a sick world we live in where murderers and rapists are merely imprisoned for their crimes against society, but we shout hoo-rah when an enemy combatant falls in battle.
 
i believe in death penalty under shariah
i dont see such a penalty as escaping punishment-theres two ways to see it, one is that the real punishment will start and the other is that, their punishment in this world (death) will be means of purification for next. for example there ws a woman who commited zina in the time of Muhammed :arabic5: ....


'Abdullah b. Buraida reported on the authority of his father that Ma'iz b. Malik al-Aslami came to Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) and said: Allah's Messenger, I have wronged myself; I have committed adultery and I earnestly desire that you should purify me. He turned him away. On the following day, he (Ma'iz) again came to him and said: Allah's Messenger, I have committed adultery. Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) turned him away for the second time, and sent him to his people saying: Do you know if there is anything wrong with his mind. They denied of any such thing in him and said: We do not know him but as a wise good man among us, so far as we can judge. He (Ma'iz) came for the third time, and he (the Holy Prophet) sent him as he had done before. He asked about him and they informed him that there was nothing wrong with him or with his mind. When it was the fourth time, a ditch was dug for him and he (the Holy Prophet) pronounced judg- ment about him and he wis stoned. He (the narrator) said: There came to him (the Holy Prophet) a woman from Ghamid and said: Allah's Messenger, I have committed adultery, so purify me. He (the Holy Prophet) turned her away. On the following day she said: Allah's Messenger, Why do you turn me away? Perhaps, you turn me away as you turned away Ma'iz. By Allah, I have become pregnant. He said: Well, if you insist upon it, then go away until you give birth to (the child). When she was delivered she came with the child (wrapped) in a rag and said: Here is the child whom I have given birth to. He said: Go away and suckle him until you wean him. When she had weaned him, she came to him (the Holy Prophet) with the child who was holding a piece of bread in his hand. She said: Allah's Apostle, here is he as I have weaned him and he eats food. He (the Holy Prophet) entrusted the child to one of the Muslims and then pronounced punishment. And she was put in a ditch up to her chest and he commanded people and they stoned her. Khalid b Walid came forward with a stone which he flung at her head and there spurted blood on the face of Khalid and so he abused her. Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) heard his (Khalid's) curse that he had huried upon her. Thereupon he (the Holy Prophet) said: Khalid, be gentle. By Him in Whose Hand is my life, she has made such a repentance that even if a wrongful tax-collector were to repent, he would have been forgiven. Then giving command regarding her, he prayed over her and she was buried.

Sahih muslim
 
Also there raises the question in common capital murder cases. What if the court was wrong? There needs to be proof beyond a shadow of a doubt in capital cases.
 
How Jews understand this matter?

For example Adolf Eichmann who was executed at 1962? What if he was innocent for those crimes he was accused?

^o)

What if court was wrong?
 

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