Things in Islam I am curious about...

[جوري]

^^ you are so funny.. on the other post as a reply to pyg, you speak of having faith and working on the assumption that 'God exists' then you come here requesting logic which by your standards isn't logical .. you are right you can't have it both ways.. not only do you preach different than what you practice, but you aren't capable of allowing others to express their own line of logic because you deem it foolish but at the same token see nothing foolish at all about your beliefs which are filled with contradictions and no believability factor whatsoever!

 

[Hugo]

^^ you are so funny.. on the other post as a reply to pyg, you speak of having faith and working on the assumption that 'God exists' then you come here requesting logic which by your standards isn't logical .. you are right you can't have it both ways.. not only do you preach different than what you practice, but you aren't capable of allowing others to express their own line of logic because you deem it foolish but at the same token see nothing foolish at all about your beliefs which are filled with contradictions and no believability factor whatsoever!

I don't think I said that in the other thread, I said "let us assume God exists.." in order to make a point because I don't know what faith if any the other person had.

I am not sure where may preaching and practice differ but like everyone else I expect it does from time to time. However, I CANNOT see how I can stop anyone in this forum expressing their own line of logic but I don't know of any forum rules that say I cannot question its consistency - much like you are doing in the last line above and of course I echo your thoughts about my faith as being a mirror image of mine about yours.

 

[جوري]

I don't think I said that in the other thread, I said "let us assume God exists.." in order to make a point because I don't know what faith if any the other person had.

I am not sure where may preaching and practice differ but like everyone else I expect it does from time to time. However, I CANNOT see how I can stop anyone in this forum expressing their own line of logic but I don't know of any forum rules that say I cannot question its consistency - much like you are doing in the last line above and of course I echo your thoughts about my faith as being a mirror image of mine about yours.

You are certainly allowed to express yourself in any number of ways.. questioning the 'consistency' should be a two way street, furthermore it should echo in your own writing and in your own beliefs!

all the best

 

[revert2007]

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Actually that's not true. There might be individual churches that have such expectations before they are willing to recognize your membership in their particular instution, but converting to Christianity is extremely easy. The apostle Paul wrote to the church at Rome, "if you confess with your mouth, 'Jesus is Lord,' and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved" (Romans 10:9). On another occassion, in answering the jailer's question as to how to be saved, he declared it was even simpler, "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved" (Acts 16:31).

I personally have known lots of people who became a Christian, not after attending hours of lectures, but have heard the Gospel they offered a simple prayer such as:

perhaps those people converted after knowing they will begiven a huge amount of money or women or even green card if they convert to Christinity.

how can someone convert to Christinity when the BIble is proven to be corrupted by Christians priest and ministers ?hmmmm....interesting

 

[revert2007]

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With all due respect simply stating Islamic doctrine does not make it the truth it take more than that. I also cannot quite work out what this argument about 'complicated' is about as it seem to me a bit foolish and I don't know where you get these ideas from and you seem to contradicting yourself as you argued earlier that it was important to gain knowledge so one cannot have it both ways.

I don't sound follish but the person who commented so is i guess

If i can convert to Islam even without reading the quran,why it is not possible for others to convert to Islam after reading the quran?

The foolish people are those blindly reject the truth and claim a human to be God and doing all kind of stuffs and force people to accept what the blindly belief and follow?

prove to me what have i said contradicts?for some people they need solid evidence to accept Islam..but a person who have chosen by Allah to accept Islam doesn't even need to read the quran nor need any proof.I am one of those hundreds of people out there who accepted Islam without reading the quran nor demanded any proof from Muslims about the truth of Islam.

If you ask where I got thsoe ides..go and question ur own people..i was in a christian forum for couple of days and it proved everything..it proved that Christians themselves don't know what they are following and beliving in,they contradicts themselves with each other,the bible they are reading is different and everything they are doing is base on pick -choose-fit yourself.lol


Christinity no longer a realigion but just a brand...it sort of like show a "high status" if ur a Christian..i could say brand like NIke or Starbucks...

what you mean you can't have both ways...if ur just a sturborn person..then go and gain the knowldege..gain the knowledge sufficient enough fopr u to :

accept Allah as the only CRetor and Muhammad pbuh as the final messenger accept to pray 5 times accept to pay charity

I am not a Christian to contradict my words..I am a Muslim and Muslims are taught to speak base on truth and evidence

 

[Sister_Khayrah]

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Hey Aishah! I'm glad to see you are on here :-D

People have been brainwashed, that's why!

I just posted a question on here about The Bible, maybe you could help me with it.

Salam

 

[Grace Seeker]

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perhaps those people converted after knowing they will begiven a huge amount of money or women or even green card if they convert to Christinity.

No. I write of people that I know personally, not just have heard anonymous stories about. And those that I know who have said such a prayer and convereted to Christianity were offered nothing more than the chance to be Jesus' disciple, to pick up their own cross, and to follow him. As for whatever stories you might be thinking of -- what you describe is not conversion; even if some institution is counting them, I doubt that God is.

how can someone convert to Christinity when the BIble is proven to be corrupted by Christians priest and ministers ?hmmmm....interesting

Easy. A person says, I believe in the teachings received in the Old and New Testament as the sufficient rule for faith and practice. One disbelieves that it is so corrupted as to no longer be valid for that purpose, and one disagrees that those who try to present it if were have ever actually proven their case.

 

[Grace Seeker]

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I am one of those hundreds of people out there who accepted Islam without reading the quran nor demanded any proof from Muslims about the truth of Islam.

Let me see if I understand you. You call foolish those who do things blindly: "The foolish people are those blindly reject the truth and claim a human to be God and doing all kind of stuffs and force people to accept what the blindly belief and follow?".

Yet you:
1) accepted Islam without reading the Qur'an.
2) never asked for anyone to provide you with proof regarding the truth of Islam.
3) And you still came to faith in Islam, even without the evidence of either the Qur'an or the truth of Islam.

Aren't you an example of exactly what you criticize?

 

[جوري]

a human god is a foolish concept whether or not you subscribe to other 'philosophies'

the one who created this:

didn't show up in Palestine to die!

all the best

 

[revert2007]

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No. I write of people that I know personally, not just have heard anonymous stories about. And those that I know who have said such a prayer and convereted to Christianity were offered nothing more than the chance to be Jesus' disciple, to pick up their own cross, and to follow him. As for whatever stories you might be thinking of -- what you describe is not conversion; even if some institution is counting them, I doubt that God is.

Easy. A person says, I believe in the teachings received in the Old and New Testament as the sufficient rule for faith and practice. One disbelieves that it is so corrupted as to no longer be valid for that purpose, and one disagrees that those who try to present it if were have ever actually proven their case.

but do u know that OT and NT contradicts each other?even the Christians rejected the 10 commandments...and in OT..Jesus pbuh has nevre said"Worship me as I am thy LOrd"..all he said was"worship the Father who si Greater than I"

do you thik Jesus pbuh has split identity?to be a human and God?

 

[Grace Seeker]

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all he said was"worship the Father who si Greater than I"

Please cite the version from which you have quoted.

 

[revert2007]

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Hey Aishah! I'm glad to see you are on here :-D

People have been brainwashed, that's why!

I just posted a question on here about The Bible, maybe you could help me with it.

Salam

Hey dear..Assalamualikum..I shall check it out in sha Allah

 

[revert2007]

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Please cite the version from which you have quoted.

u can simply check my video in youtube.

 

[Grace Seeker]

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u can simply check my video in youtube.

Not good enough. You claim to have knowledge, you quote Jesus, but the words that you put in Jesus' mouth are not ones that I can find in any Bible that I have. I am willing to grant that you may have access to information that I don't. But, if you are unable to cite the actual verse that you quoted, I am left to believe that you must have made it up. Why would I want to view the video of someone who writes fiction and calls it truth?

 

[revert2007]

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Let me see if I understand you. You call foolish those who do things blindly: "The foolish people are those blindly reject the truth and claim a human to be God and doing all kind of stuffs and force people to accept what the blindly belief and follow?".

Yet you:
1) accepted Islam without reading the Qur'an.
2) never asked for anyone to provide you with proof regarding the truth of Islam.
3) And you still came to faith in Islam, even without the evidence of either the Qur'an or the truth of Islam.


Aren't you an example of exactly what you criticize?

Nope.I am not the example of those blind people who accepted a human as God.I accepted Allah The Exalted who doesn't have partner,doesn't have children and is not like His CReation.You gotta read my story towards Islam before you criticise me.I said I have never read the Quran and have never asked evidence of Allah,yet did I say I didn't do the research?

my journey to islam was 12 years of journey...read my story before you "blindly criticise me"

 

[revert2007]

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Not good enough. You claim to have knowledge, you quote Jesus, but the words that you put in Jesus' mouth are not ones that I can find in any Bible that I have. I am willing to grant that you may have access to information that I don't. But, if you are unable to cite the actual verse that you quoted, I am left to believe that you must have made it up. Why would I want to view the video of someone who writes fiction and calls it truth?

as you wish..here you go..people can never be sturborn

SAID THAT THE FATHER IS GREATER THAN HIM:

[John 14:28] "You heard me say, 'I am going away and I am coming back to you.' If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I."

PRAYED TO GOD:

[Mark 14:32] "They went to a place called Gethsemane, and Jesus said to his disciples, "Sit here while I pray.""

[Luke 5:16] "But Jesus often withdrew to lonely places and prayed."

ORDERED EVERYONE TO WORSHIP THE ONE TRUE ALMIGHTY GOD ALONE:

[Matthew 4:10] "Jesus said to him, "Away from me, Satan! For it is written: 'Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only."
[Deuteronomy 6:13] "Fear the LORD your God, serve him only and take your oaths in his name."


the rest you can see for yourself in my video..these evidence is good enough to open any "blind" eyes

 

[Grace Seeker]

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read my story before you "blindly criticise me"

I'm not blindly criticizing you. I can see exactly what you have written. And all I did was reiterate it. You can to faith without ever reading the Qur'an or asking people to provide you with proofs regarding the truth of Islam Evidently, though your journey may have been one that lasted 12 years, by your own testimony it was one that never examined the evidence with regard to either the Qur'an or the truth of Islam. In the end you accepted Islam as true without consulting either source. Nothing wrong with that, it's called faith. I merely note that you accuse those who come to Christianity after reading the Bible and hearing the witness of the Gospel as people who have blindly rejected truth and since you have, by your own description blindly accepted it, it seems rather hypocritical objecting to other people's "blind" faith decisions. If you don't like that being noted, then perhaps you ought not to denigrade others who after examining the faith they ascribe to made a more informed decision with regard to their particular faith than you have expressed you made with regard to your own.

 

[revert2007]

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Not good enough. You claim to have knowledge, you quote Jesus, but the words that you put in Jesus' mouth are not ones that I can find in any Bible that I have. I am willing to grant that you may have access to information that I don't. But, if you are unable to cite the actual verse that you quoted, I am left to believe that you must have made it up. Why would I want to view the video of someone who writes fiction and calls it truth?

Any Bible..hmmm..wondering if the actual scripture still exist ..the original truth can only be known by someone who does the religion study...and you can watch thsi video..a minister who converted to Islam after knowing the truth when he was doing his religious study in Havard

part 1

part 2

have a great day

 

[revert2007]

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I'm not blindly criticizing you. I can see exactly what you have written. And all I did was reiterate it. You can to faith without ever reading the Qur'an or asking people to provide you with proofs regarding the truth of Islam Evidently, though your journey may have been one that lasted 12 years, by your own testimony it was one that never examined the evidence with regard to either the Qur'an or the truth of Islam. In the end you accepted Islam as true without consulting either source. Nothing wrong with that, it's called faith. I merely note that you accuse those who come to Christianity after reading the Bible and hearing the witness of the Gospel as people who have blindly rejected truth and since you have, by your own description blindly accepted it, it seems rather hypocritical objecting to other people's "blind" faith decisions. If you don't like that being noted, then perhaps you ought not to denigrade others who after examining the faith they ascribe to made a more informed decision with regard to their particular faith than you have expressed you made with regard to your own.

if you ask an 8 year old child to read the quran,obviously she won't and i didn't.each and everyone has their own way to find the truth...am not an Atheist to question the evidence of Allah.I do belive there is God or a supernatural power superior than us..basically am doing the right thing at wrong place.you yourself belive in God don't you?

now back to Christinity..honestly..alhamdulilah I am not among those who fell sick and saw Jesus pbuh in their dream and finally Jessus pbuh called them to submit themselves to Jesus pbuh

and alhamdulilah I am not among those who claim to be an ex Muslim yet can't differentiate between shahadah and al-fatihah

Alhamdulilah I am a Muslim who found truth.if u ask about evidence..see the sky,moon,sun.stars,mountains...and see yourself..these are evidence of Allah

if i ask you to prove pain..can u prove it?if i ask you to prove health..can u prove it?

of course to prove pain u gonna show me the wound u have
and to prove you health u gonna show me ur healthy body

if u want me to prove Allah..u see the nature

if i ask you to prove to me and the whole world that Jesus pbuh is God..can u prove it to me?

 

[Grace Seeker]

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as you wish..here you go..people can never be sturborn

Ummm... I read your entire post, and not once did I find the actual quote that you chose to put in Jesus' mouth:

all he said was"worship the Father who si Greater than I"

Any Bible..hmmm..wondering if the actual scripture still exist

What a joke!! You imply that the scriptures are corrupted, and then you set about to misquote them yourself.

..the original truth can only be known by someone who does the religion study...and you can watch thsi video

I'm not going to trust the "study" of someone who not only misquotes, but then rather than admitting his mistakes tries to place the blame for not being able to find the quote he himself concoted on others.