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Hi Eric,
Umm Bilal,
I hope this helps.

Yes, I did read most of the thread. A few points could be mentioned here:Thank you for your detailed explanation as to how the Islamic law works in regards to rape and adultery. Did you read the other thread started by anonymous to do with sexual abuse, like the western society abuse is very prevalent within families as a number of people testified on that thread? They mostly said that the abuser got away because none of the victims reported the crime.
1. First of all, it should be clear that this is not an issue with the Islamic penal system. My intention in this thread was to refute claims that the Islamic penal system was defective or barbaric, and I did so by providing a detailed examination of the system itself. This issue is certainly relevant, but it is an issue every system must deal with.
2. This issue actually helps us to appreciate the comprehensive nature of the Islamic system, specifically the strict guidelines Islam has placed between opposite gender interactions. Islam does not permit a woman to be alone anywhere with a man who is not her husband, father or brother. Some people criticize Islam's strict guidelines especially in the case of extended family members like cousins, yet we have seen that quite a large number of these assaults occured at the hands of male cousins. None of these cases would have happened if Islamic guidelines were in place (see here for details on these guidelines). Islam does not allow a male and female to be alone together, even if they are cousins. The women are protected in Islam from such kinds of abuse.
3. Another common form of assault, especially in the western, is known as 'date rape'. Let us consider some statistics from the US:
2. This issue actually helps us to appreciate the comprehensive nature of the Islamic system, specifically the strict guidelines Islam has placed between opposite gender interactions. Islam does not permit a woman to be alone anywhere with a man who is not her husband, father or brother. Some people criticize Islam's strict guidelines especially in the case of extended family members like cousins, yet we have seen that quite a large number of these assaults occured at the hands of male cousins. None of these cases would have happened if Islamic guidelines were in place (see here for details on these guidelines). Islam does not allow a male and female to be alone together, even if they are cousins. The women are protected in Islam from such kinds of abuse.
3. Another common form of assault, especially in the western, is known as 'date rape'. Let us consider some statistics from the US:
I've highlighted some of the key parts. Here we find that a large portion of rape incidents occur from boyfriends or 'acquaintences', which would not be permitted under Islamic guidelines which only allows relations after marriage. Also, the influence of drugs and alcohol in such incidents is clear, allowing us to also appreciate islam's prohibition of drugs and alcohol. Traditionally, Muslims have always had seperate schooling for boys and girls which would remove all the incidents that are reported as a result of the promiscous college lifestyle.Here are some rape statistics within the U.S.
General Rape Statistics
Every 2 minutes a woman is raped in the U.S.
72 of every 100,000 women are raped in the U.S. each year.
28% of women are raped by boyfriends.
35% of women are raped by acquaintances.
5% of women are raped by relatives.
Less than one third of all rapes are reported to the authorities.
Rape Situation Statistics
25% of rapes take place in a parking garage or public area.
68% of rapes occur between 6 p.m. and 6 a.m.
More than 45% of rapists were under the influence of drugs or alcohol.
Rapists used a weapon in 29% of all rapes.
The victim received external injuries in over 47% of all rapes.
Youth Rape Statistics
15% of rape victims are under the age of 12 (another source said as high as 22%).
29% of rape victims are between the ages of 12 and 17.
44% of rape victims are under the age of 18 (another source said as high as 54%).
80% of rape victims are under the age of 30.
College Rape Statistics
25% of college women have been victims of rape.
8.5% of college men admit to sexually abusing women - but don't consider that rape.
Of the women who were raped, only 25% described it as rape.
Of the women who were raped, only 10% reported the assault.
47% of the rapes were by dates and romantic acquaintances.
Date Rape Statistics
84% of women who were date raped knew their attacker.
Women who are 16-24 are more than four times as likely to be date raped.
90% of date rapes occur when either the victim or attacker was drinking.
33% of men said they would date rape someone if it could go undetected.
44% of women who were date raped have considered suicide.
Sources include RAINN, University of South Florida, Federal Bureau of Investigation (Uniform Crime Statistics, 1996), U.S. Department of Justice, Violence against Women (Bureau of Justice Statistics, U.S. Dept. of Justice, 1994)
I agree it would serve as a deterrent if more were reported as the statistics mentioned that 33% of men said they would date rape someone if it could go undetected.. As for how we can accomplish this, one of the first ways that comes to mind would be social and education programs which would increase awareness and allow victims to know that they have no share in the guilt.How can we encourage the vulnerable younger females to come forward so they can feel confident about disclosing their experiences. If the victims did come forward in greater numbers this would act as a deterrent for future abusers.

There is no vigilante justice in Islam. People should report such incidents to the court and allow them to deal with it.am i correct in saying its perfectly halal for a man to kill a man who raped his wife?
From an Islamic perspective, the collecting of evidence of the women does need to be publicized, in fact traditionally judges visit the women privately rather than having them testify in court.if a woman who was sexually abused talks about it, it lives forever, if she doesnt then it can go and die.
I hope this helps.
