British general election

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1Ummah1Deen said:
Salams, just wanted to ask the muslims out there are you aware that it is not actually permissible to vote in democratic elections (it's haraam)? There are so many of the ummah who really don't see the problem with voting and the case now is, it is being encouraged. We must understand why this action is haraam as we do not want to do anything which may result in us going to Jahannam.
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Bro/sis many scholars say its permissable and actually encourage it, others say it isnt. Its not a clear subject as there's many sides to the argument.
 
aadil77 said:
Bro/sis many scholars say its permissable and actually encourage it, others say it isnt. Its not a clear subject as there's many sides to the argument.
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Salams, i know that there are many sheikhs approving voting and there are so many campaigns to encourage muslims to vote BUT i have yet to hear an argument approving of voting in democracy using a clear cut evidence from quran or sunnah.

Just to clarify electing is giving the power of attorney (authority) to someone to do things on your behalf and is halaal (permitted) in general.

However, in secular democracy electing or voting means to give someone – man or woman – the authority to make laws instead of Allah, denying His (swt) sole right to make laws that manage our lives. This is categorically forbidden (haram).

La Ilaha Illa Allah means Worship, Legislation, Ruling, Obedience, Loyalty and friendship are only with Almighty Allah (swt) alone. No one worthy of worship except Him, no one worthy of obedience except Him, no one has the right to legislate except Him, no rules worthy of implementation except His Divine Rules, we’re only loyal to Him and no one is our friend except Him alone (swt) and the Believers.

“Indeed legislation (ruling, judgment, command) is only for Allah; He has commanded that you shall not serve aught but Him; this is the right religion but most people do not know” (TMQ 12:40)


“Or have they partners (of Allah) who have made lawful for them in religion that which Allah allowed not? (TMQ 42:21)

To legislate or make rules by other than what Allah (swt) has revealed is absolutely forbidden. Allah (swt) gives His law the superiority, and commands that it should be implemented to rule between people and solve their problem. Allah SWT describes those who do not rule by His Shariah to be the disbelievers, oppressors or transgressors.

“And whoever did not judge by what Allah revealed, those are they that are the disbelievers …oppressors… transgressors” (TMQ 5:44,45,47) )

In addition, our Iman is not complete unless we seek judgment and ruling by that which the Prophet (saw) has brought from Allah (swt)


“But no! by your Lord! they do not believe (in reality) until they make you a judge of that which has become a matter of disagreement among them, and then do not find any straitness in their hearts as to what you have decided and submit with entire submission” (TMQ 4:65)

By voluntarily voting in a democratic system based on a secular constitution we willingly choose and authorise man to legislate and legalise evil (Munkar) and rule according to it. We authorise –willingly and happily- man to implement a system that is known for its corruption in all aspects of life; political, economic, social, educational…etc. Not only that, but we also –willingly- authorise and request them to protect and preserve this kufr (man-made) system and this way of life!

Accordingly, based on clear cut evidences from the Quran, participation in the general election is a clear Haraam act, as it compromises the foundation of the Islamic Aqeedah.

I understand there is a lot of debate going on and many of the ummah are confused but we must take the responsibility to find out what the ruling is according to quran and sunnah, not just rely on other peoples opinions.
 
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The way I see it, by NOT voting, we're allowing parties like the BNP to gain more power. Why do you think they won a seat in Oldham? Simply because most of the women (and some men) decided not to vote. If they had used their right to vote, this could have been prevented. It's all very well saying that don't vote, but seriously, think of the consequences.
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Anyone apart from BNP and all other racist parties and the Conservative :raging:
 
S<Chowdhury said:
Anyone apart from BNP and all other racist parties and the Conservative :raging:
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Bro all parties are against islam in someway or another, I voted lib dems cause of a local muslim mp, but this guy supports 'our boys' in afghanistan! Theres that muslim mp salma yaqoob in brum, she supports homosexuality! We will be voting against islamic principles in some way anyway, its just about who's gonna benefit the muslims the most in the end. We need mp's up in parliament - we've only got for 4 compared to 59 jewish mp's.
 
aadil77 said:
Bro all parties are against islam in someway or another, I voted lib dems cause of a local muslim mp, but this guy supports 'our boys' in afghanistan! Theres that muslim mp salma yaqoob in brum, she supports homosexuality! We will be voting against islamic principles in some way anyway, its just about who's gonna benefit the muslims the most in the end. We need mp's up in parliament - we've only got for 4 compared to 59 jewish mp's.
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Salma Yaqoob isn't elected. She's standing (and is now the leader of) for the Respect Party, a socialist leaning party that tries to gather support from Muslims by opposing the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.
 
Gordon Brown looked like a right idiot yesterday. My dad is basically doing this, putting these parties:

Labour
Conservatives
Liberal Democrats
Green Party
BNP
UKIP
Christian Party
Monster Raving Loony Party

in a hat and selecting one at random before the voting day. He's going to vote for whichever party he pulls out the hat. He doesn't care. He's sick of all politicians, but may as well use his voting right.
 
Supreme said:
Gordon Brown looked like a right idiot yesterday. My dad is basically doing this, putting these parties:

Labour
Conservatives
Liberal Democrats
Green Party
BNP
UKIP
Christian Party
Monster Raving Loony Party

in a hat and selecting one at random before the voting day. He's going to vote for whichever party he pulls out the hat. He doesn't care. He's sick of all politicians, but may as well use his voting right.
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I'm not good with all this election stuff, but I thought you only get a choice from about 5-6 parties in the vote, or does it depend on which ones working in your area?
 
aadil77 said:
I'm not good with all this election stuff, but I thought you only get a choice from about 5-6 parties in the vote, or does it depend on which ones working in your area?
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I think it depends, although I have never voted before. This is the first time I am able.
 
aadil77 said:
I'm not good with all this election stuff, but I thought you only get a choice from about 5-6 parties in the vote, or does it depend on which ones working in your area?
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Yes it does matter who is working in your area. Labour, Liberal Democrat and Conservative have got people standing in every constituency in Britain. UKIP have got people standing in about 90%+ of areas with the BNP and Green standing in about 60% of areas. Some parties only stand in about 4 or 5 constituencies.
 
We are actually having a Monster Raving Loony Party candidate this year ...
 
aadil77 said:
. We need mp's up in parliament - we've only got for 4 compared to 59 jewish mp's.
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List the 59 please; I can't think of more than five Jewish MPs in the last Parliament.
 
LauraS said:
I don't see why some Muslims say they won't vote in the general election because it shows they are supporting a government that invades Islamic countries but they live here, contributing to the very country. :hmm:

As for me, I'm not sure, I quite like the idea of pulling away from the EU and it's control. What would really influence my vote are any changes that would be made to the terrible justice system we have in this country at the moment and "human rights" that are all about protecting the criminals and not the victims of crime. Out of the major parties I'm leaning towards the conservatives I think. Although the fox hunting issue really bothers me lol. :raging:
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Take a look at UKip. Very tough on immigration, they want to completely close the borders, very Euro-sceptic so they'd pull out of the EU and they are a party that puts the British first.
 
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Blackpool said:
Take a look at UKip. Very tough on immigration, they want to completely close the borders, very Euro-sceptic so they'd pull out of the EU and they are a party that puts the British first.
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The question is, are the British off best on their own? Or better off joint with others?

Britain ain't an Empire any more, don't you know?
 
glo said:
The question is, are the British off best on their own? Or better off joint with others?

Britain ain't an Empire any more, don't you know?
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Britain is best when using immigrants for its own benefit. Immigrants pouring into Britain from overseas isn't best for Britain. British jobs should go to British workers, dolers should be forced be forced back into work and if there are vacancies in jobs that the British simply cannot fill then it is only then that we should look overseas. If they leave that job then they should be made to leave the country immediately. If I were leader I would strip those not born here of their citizenships and have them to EARN it through 10yrs work in Britain on their best behaviour without rights of benefits until after 5 years. If there are no vacancies then they should then be deported. By doing this it would leave more houses and jobs for British people, we wouldn't be having our cash being sent overseas to families and there would be very few claiming benefits.
 
Blackpool said:
. If they leave that job then they should be made to leave the country immediately. If I were leader I would strip those not born here of their citizenships and have them to EARN it through 10yrs work in Britain on their best behaviour without rights of benefits until after 5 years. If there are no vacancies then they should then be deported. By doing this it would leave more houses and jobs for British people, we wouldn't be having our cash being sent overseas to families and there would be very few claiming benefits.
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Thank god you're not the leader, people have to leave work for certain reasons. If people have already been given citizenship it would be unfair to 'strip' them of it. Ofcourse theres always vacancies and you can't just deport them if they can't get work, we should create jobs instead by subsidising firms and making it easier for people to get jobs.

Yes there should be stricter conditions to immigration and recieving benefits
 
aadil77 said:
Thank god you're not the leader, people have to leave work for certain reasons. If people have already been given citizenship it would be unfair to 'strip' them of it. Ofcourse theres always vacancies and you can't just deport them if they can't get work, we should create jobs instead by subsidising firms and making it easier for people to get jobs.

Yes there should be stricter conditions to immigration and recieving benefits
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Of course we can deport immigrants that are out of work. If they're out of work then we simply do not need them as they're not making a contribution, they do not belong here so why should we let them continue living here unemployed? It's silly the way Britisih citizenships are being handed out like sweets. People in Asia, Africa, Eastern Europe etc would kill for a British passport! Abu Hamza was granted British citizenship which says it all don't you think? I'm all for loyalty and the British born people should come 1st.
 
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